David Icke, is he for real or trolling people?

mr_fegelien

When he had the breakdown in the early 90s, I could only think of three explanations:

1.) He had a psychotic break and was telling what he thought was personally real. Though he would not fit your standard psychotic individual and is quite highly functioning for the degree of conspiracies he believes in (aliens rule the planet).

2.) He's trolling the public and decided to "act out" to start a new career and gain more publicity. This seems equally as plausible as number one and perhaps more because I would think someone who totally loses control of reality like that if going through psychosis wouldn't be so eloquent especially with no medical treatment afterwards.

3.) The less likely one is that he's telling the truth about reptillians (though I do believe some stuff he says about pedophilia, transgenderism, has some validity).

JJayoo

Lizard people, would be way cooler to see that they are dinosaur people that didn't evolve and are ruling the world.

Dinosaurs= cool
Lizard = meh

Ipso

Lizards is just code for jooz

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

You need to get over the obsession with him. High functioning psychosis is common.
The guy, to put it mildly, needs to be ignored and trying to find anything of value in his ravings is a waste of effort.

Snickers Man

David Icke? Is he even still alive?? It's 2019 FFS.

endacl

He sure is making a lot of cash...

Dohnjoe

endacl wrote: »

He sure is making a lot of cash...

Crazy people are just crazy. Famous crazy people have a lot of reach and can combine their hobby with making money from it

There's a lucrative market in crazy

There is a serious amount of money to be made by peddling your nonsense to the 'woke' brigade.

Telling easily-influenced idiots that they, and only they, are smart enough to figure out that the fillings in their head are there so the illuminati can keep track of who's been successfully vaccinated and they can purchase your 'anti vax chewing gum' for the low low price of €40 per month is a lucrative business.

Youtube revenue alone can be worthwhile. The likes of Alex Jones videos were full of ads for RFID-proof sunglasses etc. Some of them even bypass that crap and just seek patreon donations or whatever.

There was a bit on this phenomenon in one of the Joe Rogan Experience podcasts where they were talking about the baptist preachers who perform in megachurches in front of 1000s of people for insane amounts of cash. these guys are, for all intents and purposes, cultists who are cheating their flock out of their hard-earned dough with the promise of salvation.

CT nutjobs are like the diet coke version of those guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCNv2syRlc - Case in point, 600k views and counting

mr_fegelien

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a serious amount of money to be made by peddling your nonsense to the 'woke' brigade.

Telling easily-influenced idiots that they, and only they, are smart enough to figure out that the fillings in their head are there so the illuminati can keep track of who's been successfully vaccinated and they can purchase your 'anti vax chewing gum' for the low low price of €40 per month is a lucrative business.

Youtube revenue alone can be worthwhile. The likes of Alex Jones videos were full of ads for RFID-proof sunglasses etc. Some of them even bypass that crap and just seek patreon donations or whatever.

There was a bit on this phenomenon in one of the Joe Rogan Experience podcasts where they were talking about the baptist preachers who perform in megachurches in front of 1000s of people for insane amounts of cash. these guys are, for all intents and purposes, cultists who are cheating their flock out of their hard-earned dough with the promise of salvation.

CT nutjobs are like the diet coke version of those guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCNv2syRlc - Case in point, 600k views and counting

The thing about Icke though is that he did this way before the internet and experienced serious ridicule during the early 90s. He became more popular when 10 years later when he started talking about 9/11, Obama "deception" and pedophilia in the upper eschelons of society (Jimmy Saville).

Ipso

When you claim to be Jesus in a shell suit, it's all downhill after.

MMyers

To be fair a lot of what he said in the 90's about the royals and hollywood is coming to light. Lizards and reptilians on the other hand is just too much. After claiming to be Jesus he now hates religion but believes in demonic entites and satanist elites

Sonny noggs

MMyers wrote: »

To be fair a lot of what he said in the 90's about the royals and hollywood is coming to light. Lizards and reptilians on the other hand is just too much.

Ye of little faith. He just hasn’t been proven right - yet.

MMyers

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Ye of little faith. He just hasn’t been proven right - yet.

I think he tells a lot of truth mixed in with some ludicrous stuff.

Dohnjoe

MMyers wrote: »

I think he tells a lot of truth mixed in with some ludicrous stuff.

Other way round

Most conspiracy theorists I've come across seem fixated on the notion that there are large interconnected elite pedo-rings. Every time someone powerful or rich is caught that's more "evidence" of these global pedo conspiracies. And like most conspiracy theorists, Icke uses (abuses) a small amount of truth to hint at unsubstantiated conspiracies

MMyers

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Other way round

Most conspiracy theorists I've come across seem fixated on the notion that there are large interconnected elite pedo-rings. Every time someone powerful or rich is caught that's more "evidence" of these global pedo conspiracies. And like most conspiracy theorists, Icke uses (abuses) a small amount of truth to hint at unsubstantiated conspiracies

The abuse rings I don't think are small to be honest. I can't look at a Hollywood legend without wondering if they're part of that abuse.

Dohnjoe

MMyers wrote: »

I can't look at a Hollywood legend without wondering if they're part of that abuse.

This is why you're the target audience for people like Icke

MMyers

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is why you're the target audience for people like Icke

It's not just Icke that states that Hollywood and pedo's go hand in hand. Corey Feldman said he was abused in the 80's and that he was surrounded by pedos

Dohnjoe

Icke and co take individual cases like the above to imply it's going on on some systemic scale.

JJayoo

Was that before or after Corey took all the drugs?

istooptoconcur

I'm disturbed that he has a forum at all. creating conspiracy theories is as easy as...

Business control of the socialisation process:
Every society engages in socialising processes in order to generate homogeny and so as to assure a smooth transition from childhood to adulthood. In the west this process has become tightly controlled by business interests with a view toward maintaining and enlarging business’ control of the state. With the rise of technology and in trawl to business-science research this control of the socialising process stands to become ever more invasive. Your behaviour and opinions are already extensively monitored by moneyed interests who’s only desire is to control these behaviour and opinions.
The socialisation process has, in the past, proceeded in staggered cycles as follows:
1. Perception management: systematically confusing the general population with a view to manipulating its behaviour has been official American government policy since the 1960s at least. Europe has since followed suite.
2. Programming of persons of low cognitive and emotional intelligence: people of low cognitive and emotional intelligence solicited by pandering to their claimed emotional needs (i.e. your opinions are valid, your enemies are our enemies, we care about your needs). The psyche of the target is imagined as being like a programmable computer, a false account of reality is intimated, the target is provided with the purported means and justification for acting to undermine the wellbeing of others (typically potential dissenters and authorities not directly associated with business capital. Religion, free thinkers, political opposition and conscientious citizens have all been set as targets, slandered, isolated and their health adversely effected in this way. This method is especially effective against the young because the programming is claimed to be necessary to be viewed as an adult. Peers often unknowingly aid in this programming process mistakenly under the impression that they are assisting their friend.
3. Business provides solution to the problem it caused: In order to appear as an authority and so as to associate itself with civil responsibility generally, Business now steps in, providing ready solutions to the simple life problems that business itself caused. The cycle is repeated, but a qualitative change has occurred: business interests have been enlarged, traditional centres of dissent weakened and society has become more fractured.
What you can do:
Mistrust business. Abstain from all socialising behaviours. Contribute to and vote for a left-wing party. You have no social obligations other than to enjoy yourself ethically, there are no psychical quantities other than the inside of your own head.

debok

JJayoo wrote: »

Was that before or after Corey took all the drugs?

No it's the reason he took all the drugs

TheSpooner

Reading about how his career changed and the events that led to that. It is consistent with descriptions of microwave weapons.

Dohnjoe

Would some sort of tinfoil hat have protected him from these microwave weapons?

Ipso

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Would some sort of tinfoil hat have protected him from these microwave weapons?

I would have thought that being the son of god would have given him some kind of protection.

TheSpooner

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Would some sort of tinfoil hat have protected him from these microwave weapons?

Oh, you haven't been keeping up with your conspiracies. Looks like the tinfoilers may be telling the truth. Look up "Dr. James Giordano" on Youtube and watch his lectures at Westpoint and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Scary stuff.

Dohnjoe

TheSpooner wrote: »

Oh, you haven't been keeping up with your conspiracies. Looks like the tinfoilers may be telling the truth.

That David Icke was subjected to some kind of microwave weapon in the late-eighties that turned him into a moonbat?

TheSpooner

Dohnjoe wrote: »

That David Icke was subjected to some kind of microwave weapon in the late-eighties that turned him into a moonbat?

Well, he came out with this statement:


"In the years 1989 and 1990, David began to believe that some kind of presence was following him around, like “an electro-magnetic field that you can feel but can’t see”. On one occasion, he was browsing in a bookshop when he had an odd experience.

“It was like my feet were stuck to the ground and I felt this energy around me, which I now know was an electro-magnetic field. It wasn’t a voice but all I heard, a very strong thought formed, go and look at the books at the far side.”"

TheSpooner

TheSpooner wrote: »

Well, he came out with this statement:


"In the years 1989 and 1990, David began to believe that some kind of presence was following him around, like “an electro-magnetic field that you can feel but can’t see”. On one occasion, he was browsing in a bookshop when he had an odd experience.

“It was like my feet were stuck to the ground and I felt this energy around me, which I now know was an electro-magnetic field. It wasn’t a voice but all I heard, a very strong thought formed, go and look at the books at the far side.”"

How do you know that this is an effect of mircowave weapons and how does this lead to him believing in lizard people?

Why would they do this to some random ex-soccer player?

Why can't he just be wrong?

Dohnjoe

TheSpooner wrote: »

Well, he came out with this statement:


"In the years 1989 and 1990, David began to believe that some kind of presence was following him around, like “an electro-magnetic field that you can feel but can’t see”. On one occasion, he was browsing in a bookshop when he had an odd experience.

“It was like my feet were stuck to the ground and I felt this energy around me, which I now know was an electro-magnetic field. It wasn’t a voice but all I heard, a very strong thought formed, go and look at the books at the far side.”"

So, you believe, somewhere, there is a file detailing taxpayers money being spent on some "secret energy microwave weapon" for use against a popular BBC sports personality - to turn him crazy.

Isn't that the sort of far-fetched crapola that David Icke would come up with?

TheSpooner

I wouldn't say that its exclusive, but let's look at what else happened:

"Despite his successful media career, Icke wrote that 1989 was a time of considerable personal despair, and it was during this period that he said he began to feel a presence around him.[58] He often describes how he felt it while alone in a hotel room in March 1990, and finally asked: "If there is anybody here, will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall!" Days later, in a newsagent's shop in Ryde, he felt a force pull his feet to the ground and heard a voice guide him toward some books. One of them was Mind to Mind (1989) by Betty Shine, a psychic healer in Brighton. He read the book, then wrote to her requesting a consultation about his arthritis."

I'll post the links later, but there is some suggestion that some of these microwave weapons are a form of brain computer interface between a human and a classified AI. Of which nation, I am unsure at this point. But it seems he was directed to the book "Mind to Mind" deliberately.

He then goes on:

"In February 1991 Icke visited a pre-Inca Sillustani burial ground near Puno, Peru, where he felt drawn to a particular circle of waist-high stones. As he stood in the circle he had two thoughts: that people would be talking about this in 100 years, and that it would be over when it rained. His body shook as though plugged into an electrical socket, he wrote, and new ideas poured into him. Then it started raining and the experience ended."

Certainly seems to suggest some form of power beaming that was experiencing rain fade.

At this time, the Green Party was dominating in the EU...

"In the 1989 European elections, it surprised everyone by getting 2.3 million votes – some 15 per cent of the total. But Sara Parkin, who led it to victory, had already warned that it was “ill-prepared to handle any growth that came its way”."

By the time David Icke's exploits had saturated the media, this collapsed:

"The infighting and insanities continued and the vote in the 1992 election collapsed to 171,000."

So, it may be little to do with Icke himself, but rather the EU and Green Party.

TheSpooner

TheSpooner wrote: »

I'll post the links later, but there is some suggestion that some of these microwave weapons are a form of brain computer interface between a human and a classified AI. Of which nation, I am unsure at this point.

Where do you get this notion? How is it any less silly than what Icke himself spouts?

Dohnjoe

TheSpooner wrote: »

I wouldn't say that its exclusive, but let's look at what else happened:

"Despite his successful media career, Icke wrote that 1989 was a time of considerable personal despair, and it was during this period that he said he began to feel a presence around him.[58] He often describes how he felt it while alone in a hotel room in March 1990, and finally asked: "If there is anybody here, will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall!" Days later, in a newsagent's shop in Ryde, he felt a force pull his feet to the ground and heard a voice guide him toward some books. One of them was Mind to Mind (1989) by Betty Shine, a psychic healer in Brighton. He read the book, then wrote to her requesting a consultation about his arthritis."

I'll post the links later, but there is some suggestion that some of these microwave weapons are a form of brain computer interface between a human and a classified AI. Of which nation, I am unsure at this point. But it seems he was directed to the book "Mind to Mind" deliberately.

He then goes on:

"In February 1991 Icke visited a pre-Inca Sillustani burial ground near Puno, Peru, where he felt drawn to a particular circle of waist-high stones. As he stood in the circle he had two thoughts: that people would be talking about this in 100 years, and that it would be over when it rained. His body shook as though plugged into an electrical socket, he wrote, and new ideas poured into him. Then it started raining and the experience ended."

Certainly seems to suggest some form of power beaming that was experiencing rain fade.

At this time, the Green Party was dominating in the EU...

"In the 1989 European elections, it surprised everyone by getting 2.3 million votes – some 15 per cent of the total. But Sara Parkin, who led it to victory, had already warned that it was “ill-prepared to handle any growth that came its way”."

By the time David Icke's exploits had saturated the media, this collapsed:

"The infighting and insanities continued and the vote in the 1992 election collapsed to 171,000."

So, it may be little to do with Icke himself, but rather the EU and Green Party.

So to paraphrase, Icke rationalises his descent into serious mental illness with crazy conspiracies.. and something something the green party?

Not sure I get the link there..

TheSpooner

I suppose he was a bit like a cruise missile for both the EU and the Greens.

"At that year’s conference the Greens booted out Parkin for “bringing the party into disrepute” and then gave a rapturous reception to their ex-leader David Icke – recently self-reinvented as “an aspect of the Godhead” – after he told them that the world was run by giant lizards (including the Queen) and that global warming was a scam. "

The never recovered politically.

TheSpooner

TheSpooner wrote: »

I suppose he was a bit like a cruise missile for both the EU and the Greens.

"At that year’s conference the Greens booted out Parkin for “bringing the party into disrepute” and then gave a rapturous reception to their ex-leader David Icke – recently self-reinvented as “an aspect of the Godhead” – after he told them that the world was run by giant lizards (including the Queen) and that global warming was a scam. "

The never recovered politically.

Hi, I've asked you a few questions.
Could you go back and answer them or at least explain why you are ignoring them?

TheSpooner

King Mob wrote: »

Where do you get this notion? How is it any less silly than what Icke himself spouts?

Physics. I don't expect anyone on this forum to be an expert in microwave tomography, remote sensing or BCIs. But, that's where the tech is at.

TheSpooner

King Mob wrote: »

How do you know that this is an effect of mircowave weapons and how does this lead to him believing in lizard people?

Why would they do this to some random ex-soccer player?

Why can't he just be wrong?

Always a possibility, but what he said happens to align with descriptions of a little known microwave-based BCI. I just found it interesting.


As for why? Its an interface, so I suppose it needs to be developed and tested. So, it could be quite random. But, I suspect its not given the timing and the political effects.

TheSpooner

TheSpooner wrote: »

Physics. I don't expect anyone on this forum to be an expert in microwave tomography, remote sensing or BCIs. But, that's where the tech is at.

Can you show this is the case?
Do you have something that shows that microwaves can be used to interface with secret government AIs?
Can you show that microwave weapons can cause the things you claim they do?

Are you an expert in microwave tomography?
If so, in what way and how does this allow you to make these claims?

In what way does "Physics" answer the question?

TheSpooner

TheSpooner wrote: »

Always a possibility, but what he said happens to align with descriptions of a little known microwave-based BCI. I just found it interesting.

It's also in line with someone spouting delusion conspiracy theories.
We have yet to actually see that " a little known microwave-based BCI" can actually produce those effects.

TheSpooner wrote: »

As for why? Its an interface, so I suppose it needs to be developed and tested. So, it could be quite random. But, I suspect its not given the timing and the political effects.

But that's not an answer to the question.
Why would they target a well known person to "test" this? What was the benefit?

TheSpooner

I'll see if I can now post the links in a separate thread. But, there are plenty of scientific papers on the basic principles.

As for why? Who knows? Was he well known when it began? Perhaps the overt effects weren't apparent to him until much later. Is it a test? Who knows? Ultimately, if accurate, it achieved a political goal and that would meake it operational equipment.

I suppose you need to imagine the effect of the Greens on the defense sector, or perhaps Russian military ambitions. Who knows what goes on in these people's heads and how far they are willing to go.

TheSpooner

TheSpooner wrote: »

I'll see if I can now post the links in a separate thread. But, there are plenty of scientific papers on the basic principles.

I'm more interested in the scientific papers more than links to a conspiracy website.
Please post the scientific papers that support your claim.

TheSpooner wrote: »

As for why? Who knows?

It's your conspiracy theory. If you don't have a solid answer for that, then your conspiracy theory isn't much good.

TheSpooner wrote: »

Was he well known when it began?

Yes. He was a well know footballer and football commentator before he began his career as a conspiracy theorist.

TheSpooner wrote: »

Perhaps the overt effects weren't apparent to him until much later. Is it a test? Who knows? Ultimately, if accurate, it achieved a political goal and that would meake it operational equipment.

I suppose you need to imagine the effect of the Greens on the defense sector, or perhaps Russian military ambitions. Who knows what goes on in these people's heads and how far they are willing to go.

None of this is an answer to the question I'm afraid.

It doesn't explain why they would test this supposed technology on a well known public person for no reason.
They simply would not do this. This is why you have trouble coming up with a possible answer.
Hence, your conspiracy theory that he was targeted by microwave weapons is not very valid or convincing.

TheSpooner

I think speculating on motives is pointless, there is no way to objectively prove that. The best that can be said is that his personal account is consistent with microwave interfacing and that it had well defined political effects.

Dohnjoe

TheSpooner wrote: »

I think speculating on motives is pointless, there is no way to objectively prove that. The best that can be said is that his personal account is consistent with microwave interfacing and that it had well defined political effects.

So of the below two options:

1. He was a sports personality who was targeted by unknown powers-that-be due to the fact that he was one of the four heads of the green party at the time. These used unspecified "microwave interfacing" with the express purpose of turning him into a conspiracy nut in order to discredit him, and by extension causing political damage to the green party.

2. He just went nuts

You choose number 1..

TheSpooner

TheSpooner wrote: »

I think speculating on motives is pointless, there is no way to objectively prove that.

No, it's not pointless.
If your theory had any merit you would be able to propose a reasonable consistent motive.
But you can't provide one as there isn't one because the conspiracy theory doesn't make much sense.

TheSpooner wrote: »

The best that can be said is that his personal account is consistent with microwave interfacing and that it had well defined political effects.

Well no, that can't be said at all.
You have not shown that microwave interfacing exists.
You previously called it a "weapon".

You have not shown that such things can produce any such effects or that they are consistent with Icke's account.

You have not defined the "political effects" and you cannot provide a rational motive for causing these said effects.

Your theory is just as silly as the ones Icke proposes.

Boredstiff666

endacl wrote: »

He sure is making a lot of cash...

It appears not true. There is actually a vid on Youtube regarding this belief.

Regards being crazy or a wind up merchant.........one of his earliest claims back in the early 90's was that some of the Royals are or have friends who are pedos.........:eek: When I meet him I am gonna ask him for the next winning Euromillions numbers.

Boredstiff666

Regards Reptilians. I saw another vid where I saw him explain some of that and you can see how someone can gather facts from it because ever since history began there are drawings and statues of human figures with reptile heads.

My Mrs mother had something very similar.

Boredstiff666

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Would some sort of tinfoil hat have protected him from these microwave weapons?

Microwave weapons have been around for 40-50 years in experimental form at least.

white devil

Ipso wrote: »

Lizards is just code for jooz

he never said that, where is your proof?

TheSpooner

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So of the below two options:

1. He was a sports personality who was targeted by unknown powers-that-be due to the fact that he was one of the four heads of the green party at the time. These used unspecified "microwave interfacing" with the express purpose of turning him into a conspiracy nut in order to discredit him, and by extension causing political damage to the green party.

2. He just went nuts

You choose number 1..

Have you ever seen an official diagnosis of mental illness with David Icke?


He's a highly successful business man, with a successful career in many sectors.


So, where is your evidence that 'he went nuts'?

mr_fegelien

TheSpooner wrote: »

Have you ever seen an official diagnosis of mental illness with David Icke?


He's a highly successful business man, with a successful career in many sectors.


So, where is your evidence that 'he went nuts'?

Actually having a high intellect and being mentally disturbed is not mutually exclusive.

Ted Kazcinskyi went to Harvard at 16, had a genius IQ, and still went on to become a mass murderer.

Dohnjoe

TheSpooner wrote: »

So, where is your evidence that 'he went nuts'?

Uuuhh..

Icke is a proponent of a super-duper grand unified conspiracy theory that mixes together just about every conspiracy theory you can think of; this he calls the "Babylonian Brotherhood."[note 3] All members of the media, the scientific community, the banking system, and the religions and militaries of the world's nations are mere foot-soldiers of the conspiracy. These stooges are in turn controlled by the usual suspects: the United Nations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rothschild family, the World Bank, etc. All of these groups are merely the puppets of "the global elite," which are controlled by "the prison wardens."

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

He also claimed he was the son of god, that the country would be destroyed by tidal waves and earthquakes, reality is a hologram, he's literally every lunatic conspiracy theorist rolled into one (that or he's a genius and making serious bank off other mentally ill people who buy into his stuff)

I think the scientific term is "fruitcake"

Dohnjoe

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Microwave weapons have been around for 40-50 years in experimental form at least.

Okay, got any literature on specific microwave weapons that cause people to start believing in conspiracy theories?

There's a bit of a leap going on there that isn't being explained