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November 2019 by-elections

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  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    This is just the usual waffle from people sympathetic with SF, similar to how those type seem most upset with how Leo was elected leader of a party they don't even support.

    If FF & FG members want to merge they will

    They need to offer something distinct to the electorate so. Politics is about offering people choice, not riding on the coattails of of an almost identical party and swapping power.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭Augme


    Abysmally low turnout reflecting the current state here...an electorate fed up with petty squabbles between two parties who really should merge and get it over with and manifestations of the arrogance of power over and over again. The Hospital, Maria Bailey, The Printer etc etc.?

    Also the fact that there really is no point in this election and it is being run again in around 6 months time anyway. I've voted in every election that I have been in the country but I'd be hard pushed to show up for this one even.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    They need to offer something distinct to the electorate so. Politics is about offering people choice, not riding on the coattails of of an almost identical party and swapping power.

    Again that's not something for someone sympathetic with SF to decide.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    Again that's not something for someone sympathetic with SF to decide.

    Why are you trying to make it about SF?

    Deal with the point or say nothing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    Why are you trying to make it about SF?

    Deal with the point or say nothing.

    I'm saying it's not for you as someone sympathetic with SF to decide, it's up to party members. Same as it would not be for me to say that SF should merge with Solidarity for example.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Final tallies in CNC and DMW:

    CNC
    FF 28.19
    FG 21.14
    SF 19.59
    Lab 9.70
    Grn 7.25

    DMW:
    SF 23.9
    FG 18.7
    Gogarty 12.7
    FF 11.8
    Timmons 6.9
    Lab 6.7
    Grn 6.4 (stupid RTE posted a sideways photo of a pie chart so hard to read)


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    I'm saying it's not for you as someone sympathetic with SF to decide, it's up to party members. Same as it would not be for me to say that SF should merge with Solidarity for example.

    This is a 'discussion' forum. Discuss the point, don't try and censor it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    This is a 'discussion' forum. Discuss the point, don't try and censor it.

    I have given it the discussion it deserves, if members want to, they will merge. Should they merge? No, unless they want to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    I have given it the discussion it deserves, if members want to, they will merge. Should they merge? No, unless they want to.

    It is my belief, as somebody interested in political matters, that it should be called out.

    Unless you believe that nobody outside a particular party is allowed to comment?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    Unless you believe that nobody outside a particular party is allowed to comment?

    Of course they're allowed to comment, doesn't mean the comment should be taken seriously by others though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    Of course they're allowed to comment, doesn't mean the comment should be taken seriously by others though.

    Putting aside your jumping to a conclusion that I was trying to 'decide' the matter, do you think the fact that they are so similar that it is having a negative effect on the body politic in the country? I.E. Low turnouts and voter apathy.
    Which was the original point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    Putting aside your jumping to a conclusion that I was trying to 'decide' the matter, do you think the fact that they are so similar that it is having a negative effect on the body politic in the country? I.E. Low turnouts and voter apathy.
    Which was the original point.

    Ok apologies, "decide" was the wrong choice of words, would have been better to say that someone who does not vote for either of two parties giving suggestions on what they should do.

    Is low turnout/apathy/etc. related to FF & FG being similar? Possibly. I think it's more related to the low standard of politics we have in general here (I include all parties here).

    Having said that, looking at our neighbors on both sides of the water, we do not seem too bad. However that does not mean there's not massive room for improvement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    Ok apologies, "decide" was the wrong choice of words, would have been better to say that someone who does not vote for either of two parties giving suggestions on what they should do.

    Again with the assumption that I don't vote for members of these parties if I think they would be good representatives. Could you apologise for that 'choice of words' too.
    Is low turnout/apathy/etc. related to FF & FG being similar? Possibly. I think it's more related to the low standard of politics we have in general here (I include all parties here).

    Having said that, looking at our neighbors on both sides of the water, we do not seem too bad. However that does not mean there's not massive room for improvement.

    I think it is a 'part' of the reason for voter apathy. Two parties swapping power and elements of policy and ideology as it suits them, or as a facile way to distinguish each other is not healthy. Either one should have some conviction and offer a choice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    Again with the assumption that I don't vote for members of these parties if I think they would be good representatives. Could you apologise for that 'choice of words' too.

    No, it was a reasonable assumption based on your posting history. And voting for parties you don't like regardless of who the candidate is doesn't make much sense to me, particularly when the party whip is used.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    No, it was a reasonable assumption based on your posting history. And voting for parties you don't like regardless of who the candidate is doesn't make much sense to me, particularly when the party whip is used.

    My 'posting history' which you will find includes the statement that I am not a member of, or a supporter of one particular party?


    You made an assumption in an effort to criticise an opinion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Anyone know of good twitter feed following all the counts?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    DMW first count expected about 1pm
    CNC about 1.30pm

    Green tally says Green is topping the poll in Fingal
    Grn 23.5
    FF 17.5
    Lab 16.5
    FG 14.0


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    My 'posting history' which you will find includes the statement that I am not a member of, or a supporter of one particular party?


    You made an assumption in an effort to criticise an opinion.

    Never said you were a member or supporter of any party.

    I'm not sure where you stand, you vote for FF or FG but would like them to merge? If so, is there not another party to vote for which better reflects your views?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Anyone know of good twitter feed following all the counts?


    follow this hashtag


    #BE19


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    Never said you were a member or supporter of any party.

    I'm not sure where you stand, you vote for FF or FG but would like them to merge? If so, is there not another party to vote for which better reflects your views?

    You may need to come out of your assumptive bubble and research the term 'floating voter'. They do exist and they are looking for 'choice'.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Anyone know of good twitter feed following all the counts?

    Live blog on Irish Times is what I'm using.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67,964 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A box in Cork opened with 'zero' votes in it. That's shocking in so many ways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    You may need to come out of your assumptive bubble and research the term 'floating voter'. They do exist and they are looking for 'choice'.

    Fair enough, I've met floating voters but most only had a very small interest in politics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    A box in Cork opened with 'zero' votes in it. That's shocking in so many ways.

    Bishopstown. Madness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Fingal 1st count due 2pm

    Almost full tally (minus 4 boxes)

    Grn 22.8
    FF 18.40
    Lab 15.40
    FG 14.9
    I4C 9.70


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Fingal 1st count due 2pm

    Almost full tally (minus 4 boxes)

    Grn 22.8
    FF 18.40
    Lab 15.40
    FG 14.9
    I4C 9.70

    Media were pretty much handing the seat to the Greens a couple of hours ago. Not so sure on the figures above


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    DMW 1st count: turnout 26.58%

    Gavan reilly's spreadsheet:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K8X2QLSBzwf72w9V-uXavJ9BuECP4MblZJv7riZXg5A/edit#gid=1709040152

    Really strong turnouts in working class N Clondalkin estates for SF's Ward.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭Augme


    Media were pretty much handing the seat to the Greens a couple of hours ago. Not so sure on the figures above


    Why? The greens will be far more transfer friendly than Fianna fail and Lorraine Clifford Lee I would have thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Media were pretty much handing the seat to the Greens a couple of hours ago. Not so sure on the figures above




    I agree though Greens stronger than FF for transfers?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,468 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Soc Dems did even worse than I expected in DMW. That was one of their target seats for the next GE, on that result they may as well give up there.


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