Use of Food kitchens, the homeless crisis, can't live in Ireland- its too expensive

@slydice

@slydice, what’s your opinion on families in rental assisted accommodation using “Soup kitchens “ like “Sam” simply because they find food expensive to buy. In other words, they are spending their welfare payments on something other than food and then going out at night expecting charities to feed their children?

Graces7

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@slydice, what’s your opinion on families in rental assisted accommodation using “Soup kitchens “ like “Sam” simply because they find food expensive to buy. In other words, they are spending their welfare payments on something other than food and then going out at night expecting charities to feed their children?

The families who avail of the charities are often those in emergency accommodation where there are no cooking facilities. Try feeding a family well in those circumstances.

The charity that fed that wee lad explained that he was in emergency accommodation and was attending school and that his mother simply wanted him to have a proper meal.

There but for the grace of God go many of us. I hope we find a kinder attitude.

Bdjsjsjs

Graces7 wrote: »

The families who avail of the charities are often those in emergency accommodation where there are no cooking facilities. Try feeding a family well in those circumstances.

The charity that fed that wee lad explained that he was in emergency accommodation and was attending school and that his mother simply wanted him to have a proper meal.

There but for the grace of God go many of us. I hope we find a kinder attitude.

No one was being unkind

Gatling

[Deleted User] wrote: »

@slydice, what’s your opinion on families in rental assisted accommodation using “Soup kitchens “ like “Sam” simply because they find food expensive to buy. In other words, they are spending their welfare payments on something other than food and then going out at night expecting charities to feed their children?

I'm sure they could cook and eat at a parent's house ,
I've said this a few times ,the majority pay zero contributions to their stays in hotels and b&bs ,no rents ,no utilities and then having all their meals handed to them by others free of charge,
It's creating an over dependence on aid and others to do everything for theses families who in turn complain the gubberment isn't doing enough for them ,it should be asked where the weekly payments are going

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

The families who avail of the charities are often those in emergency accommodation where there are no cooking facilities. Try feeding a family well in those circumstances.

The charity that fed that wee lad explained that he was in emergency accommodation and was attending school and that his mother simply wanted him to have a proper meal.

There but for the grace of God go many of us. I hope we find a kinder attitude.

The mods must have separated my comment from where I originally posted it. I’m not being unkind. There’s always more to a story than meets the eye. There was more than one photo of the same lad. It was claimed elsewhere that at least one single mother availed of one of these homeless food distribution centers even though she has a home. Her claim was that food was too expensive! We have one of the best welfare states, so there’s something radically wrong when someone cannot live on what they get and feel it ok to take from those with less.
There was also a Facebook post claiming that a family of seven were given sleeping bags to sleep in a Garda station, yet on investigation, it was found that they had turned down accommodation more than once.

I’m at work now and will try and post links later.

Despite what the thread heading says, I don’t think that it’s too expensive to live in Ireland. People need learn to live within their means.

“ A spokesperson for the Dublin Region Homeless Executive said that “this mother and her children were offered emergency accommodation last night but did not wish to take up the offer”.
They said that “there are limited accommodation options for this family due to issues arising in previous placements” https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-family-dublin-seven-children-sleeping-bag-council-4845602-Oct2019/

Lux23

Gatling wrote: »

I'm sure they could cook and eat at a parent's house ,
I've said this a few times ,the majority pay zero contributions to their stays in hotels and b&bs ,no rents ,no utilities and then having all their meals handed to them by others free of charge,
It's creating an over dependence on aid and others to do everything for theses families who in turn complain the gubberment isn't doing enough for them ,it should be asked where the weekly payments are going

So what do you think we should do with the homeless then? Let them all sleep on the streets.

Bdjsjsjs

Lux23 wrote: »

So what do you think we should do with the homeless then? Let them all sleep on the streets.

In other countries when housing is too expensive people live with their parents longer. It's not simply a case of a social home or the pavement of O'Connell Street.

Lux23

Bdjsjsjs wrote: »

In other countries when housing is too expensive people live with their parents longer. It's not simply a case of a social home or the pavement of O'Connell Street.

That's assuming you have parents with the space. In my family, my two brothers still live at home, but I can't see my Mother letting my brother move in a partner or child. There wouldn't be the space to start with.

_Brian

It’s funny.
We listened to teachers who said if you get no education you have nothing.

We busted our guts to work to pay our way through college.

Had desperate troubled times at home to contend with.

Worked poor temporary jobs until we got better ones.

Rented houses where we got and could afford them rather than where we wanted them.

Had only two kids because that’s what we knew we could support properly.


Am now we’re supposed to feel sorry for people who sat on their holes doing nothing for themselves, gained no skills, most likely a string of convictions. Couldn’t keep their mickey in their trousers nor legs crossed long enough to avoid having 6 or 7 kids by a string of different men.
Turn down free housing in the hopes for better free housing closer to their mates.

People are choosing homelessness asa route to more free houses or even through their poor lifestyle choices.


****it, I switch off now when I see crap about homelessness as a serious issue. I’d say actual homelessness is about 10% of actual numbers.

collywobble7

You'll get no end of abuse but you are bang on

_Brian

collywobble7 wrote: »

You'll get no end of abuse but you are bang on

I don't care...


We as a society havent failed these people..

The vast, vast majority have failed themselves and failed their children.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

I don't care...


We as a society havent failed these people..

The vast, vast majority have failed themselves and failed their children.

I got a snatch of a Radio discussion today and one of the contributors was shot down for saying that the government and society hadn’t let those children down. Their parents had. Personal responsibility seems to no longer exist for some.

Gatling

Lux23 wrote: »

So what do you think we should do with the homeless then? Let them all sleep on the streets.

But there not sleeping on the streets the majority of homeless In this country are not living on the streets,

Giving them free accommodation with no financial contribution for rent , utilities ,food ,
Why then would they want to become self sufficient for finding their own accomodation and food ,

Self declaration of homeless followed by waiting years for a 4eva home while moaning the government are not doing enough for them it's rediculous ,add the fact many supposed homeless families are turning down social housing wtf.

afkasurfjunkie

I don’t get the whole food being expensive thing. Takeaway food works out expensive if you are trying to live off it but a loaf of bread, a jar of peanut butter, a bag of apples and bananas would be a heck of a lot cheaper, probably as nutritious, doesn’t need to be stored in a fridge or cooked.

Food isn't that expensive.

But renting anything round Dublin is 2 grand a month so there's not a lot left for many folks, and if your on the bottom your going to be squeezed.

JohnnyChimpo

Bdjsjsjs wrote: »

No one was being unkind

Course not, they were just "asking questions" :rolleyes:

Gatling wrote: »

I'm sure they could cook and eat at a parent's house

Sure of that are you? Do you reckon most homeless families have a handy parent or two that they can just pop into for dinner?

Gatling

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

Sure of that are you? Do you reckon most homeless families have a handy parent or two that they can just pop into for dinner?

Yes .

JohnnyChimpo

Gatling wrote: »

Yes .

Good to see we're not really interested in dealing with the real world here, just performative poor-crushing and shaming

JohnnyChimpo

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

Good to see we're not really interested in dealing with the real world here, just performative poor-crushing and shaming

In the real world, people take responsibility for their own and their families lives.

Claw Hammer

Gatling wrote: »

I'm sure they could cook and eat at a parent's house ,

What if they do't have a living parent? what if their parents live miles away? people get a bed in a hotel for the night but they get no catering. They do not have an income to enable them to dine in restaurants nor do the have cooking facilities.

Gatling

Claw Hammer wrote: »

What if they do't have a living parent? what if their parents live miles away? people get a bed in a hotel for the night but they get no catereing

They get rooms for years not just a night and many hotels often allow families to have breakfast and provide sandwiches and fruit for school lunches ,
I've seen this at a particular hotel at newlands cross ,

10,000 living in emergency accommodation ,we know 10,000 aren't being fed in soup kitchens ,if soup kitchens did breakfast and a main meal that mean 20,000 servings everyday,
It means the majority living in emergency accommodation are feeding themselves and their families ,

Or is it a simple case of why bother when someone else is going to hand you your meals every single day

Claw Hammer

Gatling wrote: »

They get rooms for years not just a night and many hotels often allow families to have breakfast and provide sandwiches and fruit for school lunches ,
I've seen this at a particular hotel at newlands cross ,

10,000 living in emergency accommodation ,we know 10,000 aren't being fed in soup kitchens ,if soup kitchens did breakfast and a main meal that mean 20,000 servings everyday,
It means the majority living in emergency accommodation are feeding themselves and their families ,

Or is it a simple case of why bother when someone else is going to hand you your meals every single day

No family gets rooms for years. It is often one room per family and they have to contact hotels daily to ensure a bed for the night. You are extrapolatig what you saw in one hotel to "many hotels" without a shred of evidence. people are feeding themselves from takeaways and convenience shops, often with food of low nutritional value.

limnam

Deleted User wrote: »

In the real world, people take responsibility for their own and their families lives.

Judging on the standard of driving in Ireland I find this hard to believe.

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

They get rooms for years not just a night and many hotels often allow families to have breakfast and provide sandwiches and fruit for school lunches ,
I've seen this at a particular hotel at newlands cross ,

10,000 living in emergency accommodation ,we know 10,000 aren't being fed in soup kitchens ,if soup kitchens did breakfast and a main meal that mean 20,000 servings everyday,
It means the majority living in emergency accommodation are feeding themselves and their families ,

Or is it a simple case of why bother when someone else is going to hand you your meals every single day

I think that your last sentence hits the nail on the head.
I can’t find the article where a single mother said that it was cheaper to use soup kitchens rather than buy the food herself. She wasn’t homeless. She was in HAP accommodation.
The other photos of “Sam” seem to have disappeared too.

Claw Hammer

Claw Hammer wrote: »

No family gets rooms for years. It is often one room per family and they have to contact hotels daily to ensure a bed for the night. You are extrapolatig what you saw in one hotel to "many hotels" without a shred of evidence. people are feeding themselves from takeaways and convenience shops, often with food of low nutritional value.

Erica Fleming and her daughter did.

Claw Hammer

Deleted User wrote: »

Erica Fleming and her daughter did.

Did what?

JohnnyChimpo

Deleted User wrote: »

In the real world, people take responsibility for their own and their families lives.

What does this have to do with the presence or absence of a hypothetical parental home that these homeless families are supposedly choosing not to avail themselves of?

Or is this just another post to stick the knife into the indigent?

Gatling

Claw Hammer wrote: »

No family gets rooms for years. It is often one room per family and they have to contact hotels daily to ensure a bed for the night.

That's not true at all ,

Many families are years in emergency accommodation ie hotels several years ,

They don't have to leave and find another room on a daily basis no Idea where you got that idea from

Claw Hammer

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Did what?

Stayed in a hotel for two years.

lola85

Why has there never been a proper analysis and background information given to the public about the adults who are homeless in hotels?

I reckon the public mood would change rapidly if people knew the background of these adults.

It’s always one side portrayed and no questions asked.

I reckon there is a lot more to that Sam photo that is been kept from public knowledge

JohnnyChimpo

Gatling wrote: »

That's not true at all ,

Many families are years in emergency accommodation ie hotels several years ,

They don't have to leave and find another room on a daily basis no Idea where you got that idea from

Yeah it must be class to be a parent and be made homeless for having a glass of wine or your kid taking his shoes off

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2019/07/17/homeless-families-say-their-complaints-about-emergency-accommodation-are-ignored

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2019/01/30/there-s-no-due-process-for-people-being-kicked-out-of-homeless-hubs

Homeless charities and support groups pretty routinely report that the insecurity of temporary accommodation is having drastic psychological and developmental effects on these kids

http://www.dublinpeople.com/news/northsidewest/articles/2019/06/25/4175931-hotel-life-damaging-homeless-families/

Yes, would certainly love to be evicted from my sh1te one-room family home with no cooking facilities because it's Christmas or Paddy's Day and my presence is no longer economically viable (despite these hotels absolutely creaming it off the long-term cash provided by the State to inadequately house these citizens [rather than invest in actual social housing])

Gatling

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

Yeah it must be class to be a parent and be made homeless for having a glass of wine

What is the actual story

Mic 1972

Do we know how many time the staff had complained about them or are we going to believe the only one version of the story?

lola85

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Do we know how many time the staff had complained about them or are we going to believe the only one version of the story?

Only ever one version told.

JohnnyChimpo

Gatling wrote: »

What is the actual story

DO you have reason to believe the story as told is inaccurate? Other than that "poor people are inveterate liars" ofc

Gatling

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

DO you have reason to believe the story as told is inaccurate/quote]

Yes and I'm not the only one .....

Gatling

Actually op slydice does not post or reply to queries or questions from boardsies despite posting in other forums


He, she just throws up social media dumps and walks away

JohnnyChimpo

Gatling wrote: »

Yes and I'm not the only one .....

So it's

"poor people are inveterate liars"

then. Thanks for confirming

Bdjsjsjs

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

Course not, they were just "asking questions" :rolleyes:



Sure of that are you? Do you reckon most homeless families have a handy parent or two that they can just pop into for dinner?

Rough sleepers no but a large percentage of the homeless families yes. People are extremely resourceful. It's hard to know for sure but there is some elasticity there.

Gatling

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

So it's

What .

It's not my quote nice try

The_Conductor

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Stayed in a hotel for two years.

Of her own volition- because the rental units the local authority found for her weren't in areas she was interested in, and she made a virtue out of seeking a 'Foreva Home' in a location she was happy with. More fools the council- they got her an apartment, where she wanted to live, to shut her up.

The perception out there is that there is a money tree that can be shaken- and presto no cost associated with any social programmes- shure, everyone can have a house.......... The fact that taxpayers actually have to pay for this largess- is ignored, is inconvenient, is denied and anyone who points out the financial facts of the situation is vilified with vitriol.

There are 800 genuine homeless people in Dublin tonight. Most of them have alcohol or substance abuse issues- and a sizable number of them have moderate to severe psychological and psychiatric issues. These are the genuine homeless people- and they are being ignored.

Its far too easy to label yourself as homeless- and expect the largess of the state be ladled out to you. People need help- we all do- but despicable behaviour to better onesself at the cost to the taxpayer- should not be entertained.

As for Food Kitchens, soup kitchens and the various other organisations such as the Cappoquinn's who hand out boxes of groceries to those who are incapable of affording them themselves- that is a different story.

I personally think that the Deise school model- where children are given a decent breakfast before lessons first thing in the morning, a snack at break and a hot meal before they go home- should be made a universal right for all children in Ireland- across the board.

Food poverty is alive and well in Ireland- even in households with relatively strong household incomes. Children should not suffer- just because the country is so goddamn expensive.

Budgeting- is a game of priorities- and for a not insignificant number of people- food very often is not their no. 1 priority. These people deserve basic help- a la the butter and beef we used hand out. Organisations like the Cappoquinns- who hand out cardboard boxes of basic weekly groceries- should be lauded and financed to do so. Anyone who wants a box of basic groceries- and isn't too proud to seek this basic assistance- should be welcomed and handed it.

As for soup kitchens and the volunteers- they too perform a role- tending to the basic needs of the actual homeless.

The issue here is the definition of homeless- and a lack of intermediate designations- this means the 800 people on the streets of Dublin tonight- do not get taken care of- while Ms. Foreva Home- does.............

The_Conductor

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The mods must have separated my comment from where I originally posted it. I’m not being unkind.

That was me- sorry- I should have made a post highlighting what I'd done.

Amirani

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is often one room per family and they have to contact hotels daily to ensure a bed for the night.

I don't think you're aware of how the system actually works. Either that or you're just lying to support your point.

Mrs OBumble

The_Conductor wrote: »

I personally think that the Deise school model- where children are given a decent breakfast before lessons first thing in the morning, a snack at break and a hot meal before they go home- should be made a universal right for all children in Ireland- across the board.

Sleep poverty is also an issue.

Perhaps we should also put bedrooms in all schools and let the kids sleep there, to make sure they get adequate good-quality sleep.

Voila ... no need for parents at all!

lola85

When I see reports of hungry kids I immediately think what are the parents doing with their money.

I don’t automatically blame the government.

We have huge problems with drugs, alcohol, gambling, smoking etc in this country.

limnam

lola85 wrote: »

When I see reports of hungry kids I immediately think what are the parents doing with their money.

I don’t automatically blame the government.

We have huge problems with drugs, alcohol, gambling, smoking etc in this country.

It's a fairly narrow/simplistic view. The issues are often far more complex than the mother is spending it on drugs.

37e a week doesn't buy much in the way of drugs/alcohol/gambling/smokes.

Your typical middle class professional coke head would snort that in between pints.

CollyFlower

When I was younger, not so long ago, we had to pay our own way, no helping hand from the state, family always took in their own if they were in dier straits.... Now, it's all the Government fault, why?

Graces7

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@slydice, what’s your opinion on families in rental assisted accommodation using “Soup kitchens “ like “Sam” simply because they find food expensive to buy. In other words, they are spending their welfare payments on something other than food and then going out at night expecting charities to feed their children?

The charities know their business and their policy rightly is to feed all who come to them. Not judging, not accusing. THAT is real charity and their free choice. Let them be and support them? They know the families they care for. Or get out there yourself and talk to some of the folk?

And yes I support charities who feed street folk. They are angels.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

The charities know their business and their policy rightly is to feed all who come to them. Not judging, not accusing. THAT is real charity and their free choice. Let them be and support them? They know the families they care for. Or get out there yourself and talk to some of the folk?

And yes I support charities who feed street folk. They are angels.

How many of these soup kitchens are registered charities? With proper checks on both people and their cooking facilities?
When you read that a single mother, living in a HAP supported home chooses to feed her child at a soup kitchen because it’s cheaper than buying and cooking the food herself, someone’s not only taking the Mick, but taking food from others in greater need.

The_Conductor

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How many of these soup kitchens are registered charities? With proper checks on both people and their cooking facilities?
When you read that a single mother, living in a HAP supported home chooses to feed her child at a soup kitchen because it’s cheaper than buying and cooking the food herself, someone’s not only taking the Mick, but taking food from others in greater need.

There is nothing to state that the mother living in HAP supported housing- is actually capable, of feeding her child. Its not simply that its cheaper to eat there than buying and cooking at home- how many kids in the 20s and 30s today can't cook to save their own lives? The mother might be able to afford cheap crap food that is of dubious nutritional value- whereas at least the kid is getting a healthy meal in the Cappoquinns (or where-ever).

Money is one aspect of the equation- a basic lack of necessary skills- is another.

I think it would be an excellent idea for local libraries to hold cookery lessons teaching parents basic skills that many of them don't have. They don't need a massive repetoire of dishes- but if single mothers in HAP accommodation could cook Spag Bol, French toast, a curry etc- simple but nutritious dishes- it would be a stepping stone towards helping them towards independence.

The whole system should be set up to encourage people towards independence- while acknowledging that today they may not be in a position to meet their own basic needs. I.e. feed them today- while teaching them how to feed themselves tomorrow.........

There are always going to be people who need to access soup and food kitchens- however, it should be a last resort- rather than something that people are aspiring towards (of course there are poor souls out there who have nothing- for whom a soup kitchen is an aspiration- they're not who I have in mind).

The innocent person in all of this- is the kid- who despite being fed- is being taught that this is what he/she has to aspire towards. That this is being shown to them as a solution rather than a band-aid, is disgraceful.

Soup kitchens- play a very necessary role- however, they only address one aspect of the current problems- by doling out food willy nilly to people who can actually afford to cater for their own needs (a la this woman in HAP accommodation)- they are acting as brake on this person learning how to become more independent.

The_Conductor

The_Conductor wrote: »

There is nothing to state that the mother living in HAP supported housing- is actually capable, of feeding her child. Its not simply that its cheaper to eat there than buying and cooking at home- how many kids in the 20s and 30s today can't cook to save their own lives? The mother might be able to afford cheap crap food that is of dubious nutritional value- whereas at least the kid is getting a healthy meal in the Cappoquinns (or where-ever).

Money is one aspect of the equation- a basic lack of necessary skills- is another.

I think it would be an excellent idea for local libraries to hold cookery lessons teaching parents basic skills that many of them don't have. They don't need a massive repetoire of dishes- but if single mothers in HAP accommodation could cook Spag Bol, French toast, a curry etc- simple but nutritious dishes- it would be a stepping stone towards helping them towards independence.

The whole system should be set up to encourage people towards independence- while acknowledging that today they may not be in a position to meet their own basic needs. I.e. feed them today- while teaching them how to feed themselves tomorrow.........

There are always going to be people who need to access soup and food kitchens- however, it should be a last resort- rather than something that people are aspiring towards (of course there are poor souls out there who have nothing- for whom a soup kitchen is an aspiration- they're not who I have in mind).

The innocent person in all of this- is the kid- who despite being fed- is being taught that this is what he/she has to aspire towards. That this is being shown to them as a solution rather than a band-aid, is disgraceful.

Soup kitchens- play a very necessary role- however, they only address one aspect of the current problems- by doling out food willy nilly to people who can actually afford to cater for their own needs (a la this woman in HAP accommodation)- they are acting as brake on this person learning how to become more independent.

I think that you’re right in the fact that so many lack the basic ability to cook meals from scratch. I know from personal experience that they may not want to learn! They want the cooked food handed to them, not the help to cook it for themselves.
Certain uk red tops have honed in on Sam and the use of soup kitchens in Ireland to push the Brexit agenda. The same kid has appeared in numerous photos, though not always the center of the photo. I’m very suspicious of their actions.