Homelessness Protest 05 December GPO, Dublin

dartboardio

Any of ye see/going to this?

Only organised recently and the fb group has 45k+ members already

https://www.facebook.com/events/2502548369780336/?ti=as

Seth Brundle

Can't see their proposals on solving homelessness. Maybe you could post them up for us to read?

BDI

How many likes do they need to end homelessness.

padd b1975

How many were going to storm Area 51 recently?

How many actually turned up?

padd b1975

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Can't see their proposals on solving homelessness. Maybe you could post them up for us to read?

Nice picture of the House of Commons though.

suicide_circus

4eva homes for all de angles

dartboardio

I know when you look at the page It looks like people giving out about all sorts. Really should be a protest for rent decrease etc as alot are homeless due to that alone

anewme

Is this the Apollo House effort of 2019.?

biko

Good initiative, I'll go with herself.

Spanish Eyes

Maybe if the millions given to the Homeless Charities was used wisely we would not need this at all. And I say that because these multiple Homeless Charities are well funded through taxation and grants and all the rest of it.

Am tired of this now. It could be solved but it isn’t. Why? Anyone from the Charities care to comment?

Ronin247

Sorry I can't go... I have to go to work to PAY for my own home.

Kermit.de.frog

I'll be honest - the Margaret Cash case pretty much drained 90% (or thereabouts) of the sympathy out of me.

Spanish Eyes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'll be honest - the Margaret Cash case pretty much drained 90% of the sympathy out of me.

Back to Brexit for you, your talents are wasted here. Lol

Kermit.de.frog

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Back to Brexit for you, your talents are wasted here. Lol

Luckily I can multitask :cool:

Spanish Eyes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Luckily I can multitask :cool:

Ha ha. Ya muppet.

Eric Cartman

What do we want
Free gafs
Where do we want them
Dublin city and surrounding suburbs
What type of houses
3 bed semi-s
How bigs the garden
Enough for a trampoline
What about jobs
I knew somebody once who had one.sounded crap

Eric Cartman

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'll be honest - the Margaret Cash case pretty much drained 90% (or thereabouts) of the sympathy out of me.

I like how they put her right up on a pedastal and she proved 100% the stereotype of social housing tenants that the left claimed didnt exist.

Kermit.de.frog

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I like how they put her right up on a pedastal and she proved 100% the stereotype of social housing tenants that the left claimed didnt exist.

Well, she has her roof now and is bringing in 50 - 60k a year est.

What's not to be annoyed about?

Just keep paying your taxes.

dartboardio

Yeah i was a bit sympathetic but now ALOT of the posts I'm seeing are 'I'm on the housing list 15 years can ya believe that' but I can't help thinking hang on why would you even let yourself stay on a list for 15 years, surely the housing list and the social welfare alone are just a support not a life long thing,


Why anyone would need to wait 15 years on a list for a free house is beyond me, what about every other single parent or family in the country that have to break their back working their arse off Monday to Friday to pay for their own mortgage or house...

And if you are capable of work but sit on your arse for fifteen years waiting for a house from the government then you deserve to wait that long, heck wait another fifteen years for all I care, why should we feel sympathy for someone waiting around for a free house when they could easily be out working ten years ago and be a home owner by now.

Do not mean any nastiness by that post but seriously.. There's an awful lot of people actually thinking they are the victim

dartboardio

Now a protest for rent decrease i am happy to March for... A one bed apartment for a young couple €800 a month in waterford city is waaaay too expensive.

But I wont be protesting to give a free house to those capable of work that have been sitting on their arse claiming job seekers popping out babies for fifteen years

Eric Cartman

dartboardio wrote: »

Yeah i was a bit sympathetic but now ALOT of the posts I'm seeing are 'I'm on the housing list 15 years can ya believe that' but I can't help thinking hang on why would you even let yourself stay on a list for 15 years, surely the housing list and the social welfare alone are just a support not a life long thing,


Why anyone would need to wait 15 years on a list for a free house is beyond me, what about every other single parent or family in the country that have to break their back working their arse off Monday to Friday to pay for their own mortgage or house...

And if you are capable of work but sit on your arse for fifteen years waiting for a house from the government then you deserve to wait that long, heck wait another fifteen years for all I care, why should we feel sympathy for someone waiting around for a free house when they could easily be out working ten years ago and be a home owner by now.

Do not mean any nastiness by that post but seriously.. There's an awful lot of people actually thinking they are the victim

And its always ‘im on the housing list 15 years aged 33, went down and put their name down on the 18th birthday on advice from the ma and sure 2-7 kids in the mean time got them bumped up a few places. Theyre angry their intended life plan is taking longer than expected , not that theyve suddenly fallen on hard times

weldoninhio

I suspect this thread is not going the way the OP hoped.

James Brown

So decent folk are taking it upon themselves to protest the homeless crisis that likely doesn't effect most of them. Lousy chancers wha?
Sure it's worse elsewhere, that right Leo?

James Brown

dartboardio wrote: »

Now a protest for rent decrease i am happy to March for... A one bed apartment for a young couple €800 a month in waterford city is waaaay too expensive.

But I wont be protesting to give a free house to those capable of work that have been sitting on their arse claiming job seekers popping out babies for fifteen years

You brought it on yourself.
It's all linked. You go marching for lower rent and see all the bright lights slagging you looking for your foreva home

Gatling

Maybe they should ask for free contraception while homeless seem to a fair few that declare that they are homeless and then chose to get pregnant more than once while living in emergency accommodation

James Brown

Gatling wrote: »

Maybe they should ask for free contraception while homeless seem to a fair few that declare that they are homeless and then chose to get pregnant more than once while living in emergency accommodation

You'd be wrong. So Margret Cash and the like get foreva homes and the homeless are also Margret Cash and the like. They certainly get around.

You get in emergency accommodation based on your situation. Are you suggesting this emergency stop gap is where people choose to get more emergency-y and are there long enough to get pregnant and have the baby to be on the emergency emergency list?

There's a housing crisis too which feeds the homeless crisis. People, working tax payers can't afford to pay their way is the issue more than too many babies and foreva homes.

jo2509

dartboardio wrote: »

Yeah i was a bit sympathetic but now ALOT of the posts I'm seeing are 'I'm on the housing list 15 years can ya believe that' but I can't help thinking hang on why would you even let yourself stay on a list for 15 years, surely the housing list and the social welfare alone are just a support not a life long thing,


Why anyone would need to wait 15 years on a list for a free house is beyond me, what about every other single parent or family in the country that have to break their back working their arse off Monday to Friday to pay for their own mortgage or house...

And if you are capable of work but sit on your arse for fifteen years waiting for a house from the government then you deserve to wait that long, heck wait another fifteen years for all I care, why should we feel sympathy for someone waiting around for a free house when they could easily be out working ten years ago and be a home owner by now.

Couldn't agree more. Social welfare has gone from being a helping hand, a dig out when you fall on hard times to a deliberate lifestyle choice.

Then again, if you have seen your grandparents and your parents sit on their backsides and scrounge their whole lives, what incentive would you have to go out and work for a living.


I'm due my first baby in January, I've worked full time for the past 20 years and i'm trying to decide if we can manage if i take a few years unpaid leave. Because i certainly won't be entitled to every handout going. It makes it hard to have much sympathy to be honest.

splinter65

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So decent folk are taking it upon themselves to protest the homeless crisis that likely doesn't effect most of them. Lousy chancers wha?
Sure it's worse elsewhere, that right Leo?

Some people like protesting Matt. It takes their minds off their own problems and what they changes they might have to make to their own lives to correct those problems.

Eric Cartman

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You'd be wrong. So Margret Cash and the like get foreva homes and the homeless are also Margret Cash and the like. They certainly get around.

You get in emergency accommodation based on your situation. Are you suggesting this emergency stop gap is where people choose to get more emergency-y and are there long enough to get pregnant and have the baby to be on the emergency emergency list?

There's a housing crisis too which feeds the homeless crisis. People, working tax payers can't afford to pay their way is the issue more than too many babies and foreva homes.

the bump up the list babies perpetuate the crisis though, we're walking into the third generation now of working / middle class people having 2 or less children while people who have never worked are still outbreeding us. There are children growing up in ireland where neither their parents or grandparents have ever held a full time job.

this business of having a child bumping you up the housing list is causing its own strain on the system, in addition to a strain on resources in the health/welfare/prisons/gardai which in turn mandate the insane tax rates placed on working people which keep them in the need for social housing as they cant afford their own. Its a cycle that needs to be stopped.

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I like how they put her right up on a pedastal and she proved 100% the stereotype of social housing tenants that the left claimed didnt exist.

the left never claimed such a person didn't exist. we said, and we continue to say that everything shows they are the minority.
it is only to those who were never going to believe anything other then the stereotype, that cash proved that what the rest of us never denied, was the case.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the bump up the list babies perpetuate the crisis though, we're walking into the third generation now of working / middle class people having 2 or less children while people who have never worked are still outbreeding us. There are children growing up in ireland where neither their parents or grandparents have ever held a full time job.

this business of having a child bumping you up the housing list is causing its own strain on the system, in addition to a strain on resources in the health/welfare/prisons/gardai which in turn mandate the insane tax rates placed on working people which keep them in the need for social housing as they cant afford their own. Its a cycle that needs to be stopped.

a small country with a small population, which is slowly but surely engaging in modernisation, is going to have a highish tax rate.
our tax rate isn't insane, but yes it is highish. however if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax. a low tax economy cannot deliver services or anything for that matter.

Eric Cartman

end of the road wrote: »

the left never claimed such a person didn't exist. we said, and we continue to say that everything shows they are the minority.
it is only to those who were never going to believe anything other then the stereotype, that cash proved that what the rest of us never denied, was the case.






a small country with a small population, which is slowly but surely engaging in modernisation, is going to have a highish tax rate.
our tax rate isn't insane, but yes it is highish. however if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax. a low tax economy cannot deliver services or anything for that matter.

with the exception of roads and gardai i rely very little on government services so don't expect them or want them to deliver many anyway, as is the same with most people in my position.

end of the road

jo2509 wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Social welfare has gone from being a helping hand, a dig out when you fall on hard times to a deliberate lifestyle choice.

only for a very small proportion of people, and those are people who are unemployable for various reasons.

jo2509 wrote: »

Then again, if you have seen your grandparents and your parents sit on their backsides and scrounge their whole lives, what incentive would you have to go out and work for a living.

I'm due my first baby in January, I've worked full time for the past 20 years and i'm trying to decide if we can manage if i take a few years unpaid leave. Because i certainly won't be entitled to every handout going. It makes it hard to have much sympathy to be honest.

getting paid, a chance to rise up the ladder and earn more money. those are the only incentives to work and are the only incentives one would need, hence why the vast vast majority actually do work.

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

with the exception of roads and gardai i rely very little on government services so don't expect them or want them to deliver many anyway, as is the same with most people in my position.

you still rely on government services, it doesn't matter how much or little you rely on them, or which specific services you rely on.

Gatling

Mention homelessness and a cheer squad arrives

Eric Cartman

end of the road wrote: »

you still rely on government services, it doesn't matter how much or little you rely on them, or which specific services you rely on.

and nobody is arguing that, but I could easily half government expenditure without any impact to myself, my family and the services we use and in turn reduce our tax rates to a more normal, fair level.

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and nobody is arguing that, but I could easily half government expenditure without any impact to myself, my family and the services we use and in turn reduce our tax rates to a more normal, fair level.

at the expense of the whole country and the rest of us tax payers who would end up having to pay more in the long run to deal with the fall out no doubt.

Fanny Wank

end of the road wrote: »

if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax. a low tax economy cannot deliver services or anything for that matter.

Yet you oppose water charges? And let's guess, you've no issue with almost one million workers paying no income taxes?

Most comparisons show that relative to other nations lower paid workers in Ireland pay little to no tax yet middle to higher earners pay very high rates of marginal and effective taxes

Let me guess, you opposed property (wealth) taxes too

Does. Not. Compute

pinkyeye

BDI wrote: »

How many likes do they need to end homelessness.

How many do you need to feel good about yourself? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The irony of someone fishing for the likes.

end of the road

Fanny **** wrote: »

Yet you oppose water charges? And let's guess, you've no issue with almost one million workers paying no income taxes?

absolutely i oppose water charges, they are unnecessary and will bring undue hardship upon those with a low to middle income.
ireland can well afford to fund water services from general taxation.

pinkyeye

Do those of you on here moaning about paying your taxes and your mortgage not realise that the younger generation now may never be able to get a mortgage? Even the old reliable example of a Garda and a nurse can longer get a mortgage high enough to live in our major cities.

And before someone jumps in with they don't have to live in the city who's going to be a Garda or a nurse in Dublin and live 2 hours away and why should they have to when they're "working hard", like all you high horse merchants?

pinkyeye

The homeless crisis affects everyone of us in one way or the other. Why wouldn't we want to end it?

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely i oppose water charges, they are unnecessary and will bring undue hardship upon those with a low to middle income.
ireland can well afford to fund water services from general taxation.

Tax someone else, don't tax me

Gatling

pinkyeye wrote: »

Do those of you on here moaning about paying your taxes and your mortgage not realise that the younger generation now may never be able to get a mortgage?

Or don't want a mortgage why would they when they can have 3 bed front and back garden ,5 minutes walk from schools and shops just by sitting on their backsides waiting for the 4eva home.

Fanny Wank

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely i oppose water charges, they are unnecessary and will bring undue hardship upon those with a low to middle income.
ireland can well afford to fund water services from general taxation.

But you said "if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax"

Let me guess, your solution is tax the "rich"

Not going to go round in circles re water charges but good to expose the hypocrisy of so called socialists

Fanny Wank

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Tax someone else, don't tax me

Exactly

end of the road

Fanny **** wrote: »

But you said "if you want services then you are going to have to pay tax"

Let me guess, your solution is tax the "rich"

Not going to go round in circles re water charges but good to expose the hypocrisy of so called socialists

no, my solution is not tax the rich, all though obviously the more you earn the higher the tax bracket you should be in
yes if you want services you must pay tax. general income tax rather then extra stealth taxes.

Padraig Mor

end of the road wrote: »

no, my solution is not tax the rich, all though obviously the more you earn the higher the tax bracket you should be in

That is already the case.

yes if you want services you must pay tax. general income tax rather then extra stealth taxes.

Would you agree with lowering tax credits so that everyone paid more income tax, including the lower paid?

end of the road

Padraig Mor wrote: »

That is already the case.

indeed it is, you are correct.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Would you agree with lowering tax credits so that everyone paid more income tax, including the lower paid?

not at this current time as we have a massive cost of living and such would bring undue hardship upon the lower paid.
i am satisfied that the current tax base can cover all of the services and projects we need anyway.
if the cost of living is reduced then perhapse i could think about supporting it but until then it's a no from me.

dartboardio

pinkyeye wrote: »

The homeless crisis affects everyone of us in one way or the other. Why wouldn't we want to end it?

I know, and agree. All the factors, affect us all in one way or another. For example one of the main things for me would be the rent. Increasing at a crazy level.

I was just a bit skeptical when I seen people joining the Facebook group solely to say 'I've been on the housing list waiting for the government to hand me a free house for 15 years'

Why should anyone have any sympathy with that..

Padraig Mor

end of the road wrote: »

not at this current time as we have a massive cost of living and such would bring undue hardship upon the lower paid.
i am satisfied that the current tax base can cover all of the services and projects we need anyway.
if the cost of living is reduced then perhapse i could think about supporting it but until then it's a no from me.

So what you're saying is.....'tax the rich'?

KyussB

Ah the good 'ol Divide and Conquer - pit the people struggling to afford a home, against the homeless and dole scroungers - and not one of the fucking real/actual problems causing the whole mess, gets any focus.

The people that go on about dole scroungers, are imo objectively worse than the actual bonafide dole scroungers - because by blocking actual disussion of the real issues, thus working against getting them resolved, they cost us all far more money in rents and increased property prices, than ALL of the dole scroungers put together, that we are said to indirectly pay for in our lifetimes.

Such a shitshow.

Anyone who calls themselves 'left' better move away - fast - from the idea that taxes are needed 1:1 to pay for government spending. You're not going to win anyone over, clamouring for more taxes - and besides, that's not how government finances work, anyway...

Decouple government spending, and resolving societal problems, from taxes (unless it involves taxing negative things, like smoking, rent-seeking behaviour, and the like) - break out of the false economic narrative of bundling the two together - or you'll be permanently working against yourself. You can reduce taxes and boost government spending just fine - only so long as you boost GDP enough in doing so, and don't overinflate sectors of the economy.