Jobseekers disqualification period

celticWario

Hi, I just left my job after only a short period working for them, I applied for Jobseekers Allowance and I received a letter saying that because I left myself I would be disqualified for 4 weeks. I'm just wondering does that mean I have to go back and apply in 4 weeks time or will my jobseekers kick in in 4 weeks? Also this means I wont receive anything for the 4 weeks right? it wont be backdated from when I made the claim? tbh I'm hoping I'll be working before then so I might not get anything right?

hawthorne

celticWario wrote: »

Hi, I just left my job after only a short period working for them, I applied for Jobseekers Allowance and I received a letter saying that because I left myself I would be disqualified for 4 weeks. I'm just wondering does that mean I have to go back and apply in 4 weeks time or will my jobseekers kick in in 4 weeks? Also this means I wont receive anything for the 4 weeks right? it wont be backdated from when I made the claim? tbh I'm hoping I'll be working before then so I might not get anything right?

All correct- you will have to apply again in 4 weeks,receive nothing for the 4 weeks, get nothing backdated and get nothing either for that time when you are back to work in the meantime.

FutureTeashock

hawthorne wrote: »

All correct- you will have to apply again in 4 weeks,receive nothing for the 4 weeks, get nothing backdated and get nothing either for that time when you are back to work in the meantime.

What happens if you're totally skint and have no friends or family? How are you supposed to survive for 4 weeks with zero cash?:eek:

wench

FutureTeashock wrote: »

How are you supposed to survive for 4 weeks with zero cash?:eek:

By not leaving your job without a new one to go to.

FutureTeashock

wench wrote: »

By not leaving your job without a new one to go to.

So it's no better than slavery at the end of the day. Got it.

Heebie

FutureTeashock wrote:

So it's no better than slavery at the end of the day. Got it.

It's not that bad... it's called being a responsible adult and doing what's necessary to get by. Look for a new job while working, then give proper notice when you find something.
Too late for that now.
I'm actually surprised the wait is only 4 weeks before you can get job seekers again. I thought it was 6.

salmocab

FutureTeashock wrote: »

So it's no better than slavery at the end of the day. Got it.

No slaves had no choice and didn’t get paid either way. It’s very different from slavery

hawthorne

FutureTeashock wrote: »

What happens if you're totally skint and have no friends or family? How are you supposed to survive for 4 weeks with zero cash?:eek:

I don't know about you- but I keep a few bob for rainy days at a safe place.
People who are really left without anything can see their CWO- s/he will offer some help.

votecounts

FutureTeashock wrote: »

What happens if you're totally skint and have no friends or family? How are you supposed to survive for 4 weeks with zero cash?:eek:

Should have thought about that before quitting the job, as they say hindsight is a great thing. Always thought it was 9 weeks. Fire your CV into a lot of businesses and you'll get some thing.

celticWario

I have an interview tomorrow, like I said in my original post, I don't think I will be still unemployed in 4 weeks. I'll be honest I'm quite taken aback by the sneering responses, none of you know my circumstances, but you till got your snarky comments in, you'll feel good having "one-upped" someone on the internet.

splinter65

FutureTeashock wrote: »

What happens if you're totally skint and have no friends or family? How are you supposed to survive for 4 weeks with zero cash?:eek:

You needed to think about that before you walked out of your paid employment.

splinter65

celticWario wrote: »

I have an interview tomorrow, like I said in my original post, I don't think I will be still unemployed in 4 weeks. I'll be honest I'm quite taken aback by the sneering responses, none of you know my circumstances, but you till got your snarky comments in, you'll feel good having "one-upped" someone on the internet.

Nobody is sneering. The process is, unhappy in job, look for alternative job, find new job, leave old job.
If you are too unwell to work you can claim illness benefit.
It’s very generous of SW not to penalize you the whole 9 weeks.
Good luck in your new position.

celticWario

splinter65 wrote: »

Nobody is sneering. The process is, unhappy in job, look for alternative job, find new job, leave old job.

You have absolutely no idea about me and my circumstances, who are you to tell me what my process HAS to be?

It’s very generous of SW not to penalize you the whole 9 weeks.

I never complained about the period of time, I was just asking a question

Good luck in your new position.

Yeah, not sneering... I hope you have more going on in your life than making snarky comments online.

Miike

Thread full of arséhole responses. Hurr durr don't leave your job. Not one of ye have one iota of what may or may not have happened to this person in that job and I sincerely hope none of you fall unemployed and face such childish responses to a simple question.

OP If you have absolutely nothing to your name contact your Community Welfare Officer for a supplementary allowance. I remember it was 6 weeks cooldown period a few years ago, meaning you'd get no joy from them for 6 weeks since the day you finished up and would apply then.

splinter65

celticWario wrote: »

You have absolutely no idea about me and my circumstances, who are you to tell me what my process HAS to be?



I never complained about the period of time, I was just asking a question



Yeah, not sneering... I hope you have more going on in your life than making snarky comments online.

If you had a satisfactory reason to leave, and you explained that to SW then they would have waived the disqualification, they do it all the time, they have the discretion.

salmocab

celticWario wrote: »

I have an interview tomorrow, like I said in my original post, I don't think I will be still unemployed in 4 weeks. I'll be honest I'm quite taken aback by the sneering responses, none of you know my circumstances, but you till got your snarky comments in, you'll feel good having "one-upped" someone on the internet.

Not sure anyone was sneering at you, more at the poster who suggested that having to wait 4 weeks was akin to slavery. There are very good reasons why people can’t just quit jobs and immediately collect dole. There are also good reasons why SW can treat each case in its merits.

celticWario

celticWario wrote: »

You have absolutely no idea about me and my circumstances, who are you to tell me what my process HAS to be?



I never complained about the period of time, I was just asking a question



Yeah, not sneering... I hope you have more going on in your life than making snarky comments online.

Splinter in one of the most knowledgeable and helpful posters on this topic. I really think that you’re misunderstanding their post.

FutureTeashock

salmocab wrote: »

Not sure anyone was sneering at you, more at the poster who suggested that having to wait 4 weeks was akin to slavery. There are very good reasons why people can’t just quit jobs and immediately collect dole. There are also good reasons why SW can treat each case in its merits.

slavery


/ (ˈsleɪvərɪ) /


noun

1.the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
2.the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work.
3the condition of being subject to some influence or habit.
4work done in harsh conditions for low pay.


The dictionary definition of slavery describes many Irish jobs, especially no. 4.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/slavery?s=t

Ha Long Bay

FutureTeashock wrote: »

slavery


/ (ˈsleɪvərɪ) /


noun

1.the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
2.the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work.
3the condition of being subject to some influence or habit.
4work done in harsh conditions for low pay.


The dictionary definition of slavery describes many Irish jobs, especially no. 4.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/slavery?s=t

Can you name one single job in Ireland that relates to no. 4 considering we generally have good work conditions in Ireland and a minimum wage of €9.80 per hour?

speckled_park

Unfortunately op you have to wait. I was told 9 weeks. Only other option is welfare officer if your really stuck or illness benefit.

I think its a bit of a joke, plenty of lads milking the dole for years... Then someone recently working leaves a job for whatever reason and they are second class citizens for 2 months entitled to little.

salmocab

FutureTeashock wrote: »

slavery


/ (ˈsleɪvərɪ) /


noun

1.the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
2.the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work.
3the condition of being subject to some influence or habit.
4work done in harsh conditions for low pay.


The dictionary definition of slavery describes many Irish jobs, especially no. 4.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/slavery?s=t

It really doesn’t and certainly doesn’t describe quitting your job and having to wait 4 weeks for the dole.

gwalk

FutureTeashock wrote: »

What happens if you're totally skint and have no friends or family? How are you supposed to survive for 4 weeks with zero cash?:eek:

in that instance if you insist to communicate with them in Irish only

FutureTeashock

salmocab wrote: »

It really doesn’t and certainly doesn’t describe quitting your job and having to wait 4 weeks for the dole.

In my personal experience it very much does, therefore I win.

salmocab

FutureTeashock wrote: »

In my personal experience it very much does, therefore I win.

Good for you

splinter65

FutureTeashock wrote: »

In my personal experience it very much does, therefore I win.

You can say that your quitting a job you don’t like and having to wait 4 weeks for Jobseekers because you don’t fulfill the criteria, is the very same as a man being forced to work for no wages? Discuss that with us.

FutureTeashock

splinter65 wrote: »

You can say that your quitting a job you don’t like and having to wait 4 weeks for Jobseekers because you don’t fulfill the criteria, is the very same as a man being forced to work for no wages? Discuss that with us.

Let me explain this to you very simply (because you struggle with actual dictionary definitions).



An employer who pays minimum wage knows that, should an employee quit, they will have to subsist for 9 weeks without cash. This gives the employer a tremendous amount of power over the worker, to the point where he/she is effectively a slave owner.


The choice is stark: do as your boss says or be homeless and starve.

salmocab

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Let me explain this to you very simply (because you struggle with actual dictionary definitions).



An employer who pays minimum wage knows that, should an employee quit, they will have to subsist for 9 weeks without cash. This gives the employer a tremendous amount of power over the worker, to the point where he/she is effectively a slave owner.


The choice is stark: do as your boss says or be homeless and starve.

Or and I know this sounds crazy, get a different job. You’ve given just two options that support your theory and left out the most obvious option.

FutureTeashock

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Let me explain this to you very simply (because you struggle with actual dictionary definitions).
An employer who pays minimum wage knows that, should an employee quit, they will have to subsist for 9 weeks without cash. This gives the employer a tremendous amount of power over the worker, to the point where he/she is effectively a slave owner.
The choice is stark: do as your boss says or be homeless and starve.

It’s not like that in practice. If there’s a genuine reason to leave the job, the waiting time is reduced, sometimes down to zero. FACT.

FutureTeashock

salmocab wrote: »

Or and I know this sounds crazy, get a different job. You’ve given just two options that support your theory and left out the most obvious option.

In many places, especially in rural areas, that's not an option.



Also, how can you look for work with zero dosh?

gwalk

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Also, how can you look for work with zero dosh?

it costs money to apply for jobs now?

also you obviously ahve acces to the internet to post on here so i would suggest looking on the internet for a job

FutureTeashock

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s not like that in practice. If there’s a genuine reason to leave the job, the waiting time is reduced, sometimes down to zero. FACT.

Great, so you're at the mercy of Doley Mcdoleface in the SW office. Wonderful. :rolleyes:

FutureTeashock

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Great, so you're at the mercy of Doley Mcdoleface in the SW office. Wonderful. :rolleyes:

They’re not all ogres, you know.

FutureTeashock

gwalk wrote: »

it costs money to apply for jobs now?

also you obviously ahve acces to the internet to post on here so i would suggest looking on the internet for a job

Yes, transport, food, internet, electricity etc.



I never said I didn't have a job? This isn't my thread.

salmocab

FutureTeashock wrote: »

In many places, especially in rural areas, that's not an option.



Also, how can you look for work with zero dosh?

Same way you got the first job on the plantation I would imagine

splinter65

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Let me explain this to you very simply (because you struggle with actual dictionary definitions).



An employer who pays minimum wage knows that, should an employee quit, they will have to subsist for 9 weeks without cash. This gives the employer a tremendous amount of power over the worker, to the point where he/she is effectively a slave owner.


The choice is stark: do as your boss says or be homeless and starve.

You are an adult. You agreed terms and conditions with your employer before you started to work for her or him. You weren’t forced to work for anyone. You were not press ganged into working for anyone. You were free to decline his offer of a job .
You agreed.
Nobody including your employer prevented you from seeking alternative employment while you continued to work for the employer. It was not a condition of your employment that you not seek alternative employment.
Your angry because you didn’t research the terms and conditions of Jobseekers eligibility before you walked out of your job.
Instead of just chalking it up to experience your talking ****e about being a slave. I suspect because you never ever accept responsibility for your mistakes.