Dublin City Council paying off gangland criminals in Dublin

Kermit.de.frog

I'm gonna go with WT actual F on this one!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dublin-city-council-paid-gangland-figures-to-stop-antisocial-attacks-cab-case-told-1.4044450?mode=amp

Dublin City Council was paying “security” or protection money to the leader of a Dublin drugs gang, and also to a man who was connected to three murders, the High Court has heard.

Instead of them being locked up they were being paid off by the council to stop anti social behaviour.

This could happening a lot more in the city for all we know.

Explosive_Cornflake

It happens on most large sites, it's a cost of doing business.
It has to be happening at the children's hospital

Chinasea

You just need to walk down Moore Street where for the last 30 plus years they have been openly selling illegal cigarettes.

Every Christmas, licences are granted to the same cohert, to tout their crap on Henry Street. Stall after stall selling fake designer landfill.

Rotten to the Core. The whole farcical charade stinks big time. And we all stand by.

whisky_galore

Explosive_Cornflake wrote: »

It happens on most large sites, it's a cost of doing business.
It has to be happening at the children's hospital

A cost of doing business in Southern Italy I might have thought, not here.

Jokeshop.

Xterminator

Chinasea wrote: »

You just need to walk down Moore Street where for the last 30 plus years they have been openly selling illegal cigarettes.

Every Christmas, licences are granted to the same cohert, to tout their crap on Henry Street. Stall after stall selling fake designer landfill.

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Market stall traders selling knock off goods is hardly comparable to organized criminal gangs involved in murder armed robbery and tiger kidnappings and the like.

would you cop onto yourself. no one forces anyone to buy from market traders on Moore st, and they pay for the licenses they get- which is a contribution to society.

IMO places like Moore st and the liberties are part and parcel of Dublin, its heritage and culture. Its not for everyone, but they have their place. Where as organised criminal gangs belong in prison. they have no place in decent society.

G-Man

Ah come on now, its probably only a monthly holding payment, until some of the 4 bed showhomes with larger gardens and designer fittings are ready to hand over to local 'community leaders' and their families.. /s

Chinasea

Xterminator wrote: »

Market stall traders selling knock off goods is hardly comparable to organized criminal gangs involved in murder armed robbery and tiger kidnappings and the like.

would you cop onto yourself. no one forces anyone to buy from market traders on Moore st, and they pay for the licenses they get- which is a contribution to society.

IMO places like Moore st and the liberties are part and parcel of Dublin, its heritage and culture. Its not for everyone, but they have their place. Where as organised criminal gangs belong in prison. they have no place in decent society.

So you think those sweetie pies selling illegal cigarettes, fake designer gear etc. are perfectly innocent tax paying law abiding individuals.

The place stinks all round. Intimidating, corrupted, kip.

Nothing whatsoever charming about the place.

James Brown

I know businesses forced to do it which is literally criminal but this isn't on.

Tacitus Kilgore

Happens on many many sites in Dublin and - many more outside of it, whether it's local residents being paid off to stfu or local scumheads being paid off to stop "vandals" (extortion)

It's par for the course* - Are these companies supposed to just say no and accept being intimidated, attacked & burned out of their project? Much easier to pay €1,500 a week to some scummer than to lose all of your plant, machinery, staff & time on a project.





*It also reduces security costs

Atlantic Dawn

How much money was actually handed over? Are we talking 2 years worth, 2 weeks worth? Really poor reporting in the media.

Wildly Boaring

This complete standard practice on building site in Dublin, Limerick and anywhere within 39 miles of the border.

Naive to blame the site management.

In one instance I know of Lidl refused to pay. Week before opening every window in store smashed.

I had scrotes selling consaw they knicked back to us. I've had the site fencing knicked. Site security assaulted. Copper wire pulled back out of installations. A jeep knicked. The pump out of a roller knicked. A roller knicked. All timber on site heaped and burned. Toilets burned. Several lockups broken into. GPS damaged. New concrete damaged.......

Pay the local scum / RA off.. no problems at all.

Wildly Boaring

Forgot teleporter knicked,

In all above guards were helpful and useless.

Tacitus Kilgore

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Forgot teleporter knicked,

In all above guards were helpful and useless.

To be fair to the Gardaí, what in the hell can they do? have been in your exact position and the best and only way is to pay the ransom. every time.

IME in the borderlands, the vandalism doesn't even have to happen, a few quiet words was all we ever got, and we ponied up every time too.

thenightman

The wife of one of the men mentioned in the article is a well known Dublin solicitor creaming it via legal aid aswell.

Odyssey 2005

Was down as 'fence management ':eek:

boombang

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

This complete standard practice on building site in Dublin, Limerick and anywhere within 39 miles of the border.

Naive to blame the site management.

In one instance I know of Lidl refused to pay. Week before opening every window in store smashed.

I had scrotes selling consaw they knicked back to us. I've had the site fencing knicked. Site security assaulted. Copper wire pulled back out of installations. A jeep knicked. The pump out of a roller knicked. A roller knicked. All timber on site heaped and burned. Toilets burned. Several lockups broken into. GPS damaged. New concrete damaged.......

Pay the local scum / RA off.. no problems at all.

Staggering and deeply depressing. Ripe for an RTE investigates, if RTE were bothered.

seanino

They should lie and wait and ambush the feckers

shar01

boombang wrote: »

Staggering and deeply depressing. Ripe for an RTE the Guards investigates, if RTE the Guards were bothered.

:pac:

Idbatterim

boombang wrote: »

Staggering and deeply depressing. Ripe for an RTE investigates, if RTE were bothered.

good idea, they can also investigate their own outrageous theft while they are at it!

end of the road

Idbatterim wrote: »

good idea, they can also investigate their own outrageous theft while they are at it!

what theft would this be?
have you reported this theft to the police so they can investigate it?

Idbatterim

end of the road wrote: »

what theft would this be?
have you reported this theft to the police so they can investigate it?

the 500k plus to ryan tubridy etc, putting their presenters and crew up in a dublin hotel before the storm lorenzo even hit, because of a bit of wind and rain, fcuk them!

boombang

end of the road wrote: »

what theft would this be?
have you reported this theft to the police so they can investigate it?

Lottie Ryan. Damning evidence.

Gatling

This has been reported in the a few times over the years in the media , **** heads getting paid not to break into building site ,seems to be pretty common at social housing sites

end of the road

Idbatterim wrote: »

the 500k plus to ryan tubridy etc, putting their presenters and crew up in a dublin hotel before the storm lorenzo even hit, because of a bit of wind and rain, fcuk them!

ah, so rte were not involved in any thefts then.
that's grand so.
a company spending money on things you disagree with is not theft.
anyway, the government and gardai need to get a grip on this whole problem. round up and arrest these criminal gangs, arrest those who are operating the protection rackets, arrest those who are involved in vandelizing the sites, and lock them all up.

purifol0

Back on topic lads please. This is pretty shocking to me and I've worked on sites and never heard of this kind of thing (plenty of traveller related theft of tools and wiring though).

I mean as soon as someone comes threatening companies for "security" money the guards should immediately arrest & charge them. How it even got to this stage could only happen if the cops are getting a cut also. And the corruption must go higher up than that if DCC are involved.
How this isnt the top thread right now I dont know.

Tacitus Kilgore

purifol0 wrote: »

Back on topic lads please. This is pretty shocking to me and I've worked on sites and never heard of this kind of thing (plenty of traveller related theft of tools and wiring though).

I mean as soon as someone comes threatening companies for "security" money the guards should immediately arrest & charge them. How it even got to this stage could only happen if the cops are getting a cut also. And the corruption must go higher up than that if DCC are involved.
How this isnt the top thread right now I dont know.

You would need medical attention if you saw who gets the real backhanders around construction projects - if you are so surprised by this revelation.

Sharp MZ700

Paid for parking outside an inner Dublin building site back in the noughties. €20 a week was far cheaper than the on street ticket machines, and my car was far safer. Two scrotes would come in every Monday morning into the site canteen to collect the money and number plates.

Protection is as old as the hills, why anyone is surprised is more surprising than the act itself.

topper75

Who knows how high?

My good old Limerick city friends may recall M&A Kelly Security. Quite the mini-empire around town they had - signs everywhere.

Dear old M is no longer with us but he got himself voted in as one of the city's elders and he bestrode city hall like a colossus.

It's the script of a low-rent mob movie but it really happened in an Irish city. I wouldn't be looking down my nose at S. Italy for a second.

I'm shocked anyone is shocked by this. :cool:

The chan chan man

Explosive_Cornflake wrote: »

It happens on most large sites, it's a cost of doing business.
It has to be happening at the children's hospital

I see people disagreeing with this in the thread.

I’m yet to work on a Dublin city centre site where this doesn’t happen...

purifol0

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You would need medical attention if you saw who gets the real backhanders around construction projects - if you are so surprised by this revelation.

White collar crime and county councilors taking backhanders doesnt surprise me one bit, but this is just thuggery based on force & intimidation and last time I checked the Gards get paid a hell of a salary to deal with exactly this.

kildare lad

I'm not surprised , I've worked on a good few sites in Dublin and heard a lot of stories from older lads that during 80s and 90s regarding money been paid over to the IRA and other gangs to stop sites from getting robbed or delayed, time is money after all . A big security company in Dublin is run by a former Provo.

At the end of the day it's a lot easier paying a gang a couple of hundred euro a week with peace of mind that everything will be there in the morning . You're not insured if you don't have security . Some places in Dublin you need proper heads not Mickey mouse security guards cos there's a lot of little bast*ards in some areas who loved robbing a wrecking things.

Wildly Boaring

This gentleman's company looked after a lot of sites during the tiger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_Dunne

BDI

There was one local house beside a site I was on that got new doors and windows from the same builder doing the site. Their official line was that it was for putting the feet of the scaffolding in their garden but I never seen any scaffolding near their garden.

The older residents from the street on the other side of the estate protested outside the whole time but nobody gave them the time of day.

Muahahaha

Seems this story is rolling on now with the revelations that Simon Coveney, Eoghan Murphy and Catherine Byrne were all written to informing them that there was a protection racket going on. Of course they are claiming that they didnt know which seems to be a new trend when caught red handed at incompetence in Fine Gael. Basically blame it on your staff to get free political cover. Spineless incompetency.

Kermit.de.frog

Is this normal in other western countries?

If it isn't it's just another demonstration of how we don't have a modern, fit for purpose police force.

No justice system either.

Wildly Boaring

I find the political pointscoring funny on this one.

I've been involved in the management of sites for 20 years and I've had colleagues down through those years with experience back to the 60s.
This has been the way since at least the 80s. In that time we've have FF, FG, Lab, Green, PD, SD all in power.

An old boss of mine always harped on about paying off "The King of the Travellers" over near Ballycoolin / Dunsink when working anywhere from Blanch to the Airport.

The Gardai just never care.
I mentioned earlier about a teleporter stolen off one of my sites (was down South Tip)
It was recovered after being used in an attempted robbery.
I had it back within 20 mins of it being found.
About 5 Gardai looking into it. "Wanna take any prints or anything?" .... "Ah take it away lad."
Same site had 2 or 3 other incidents and 2 phantom claims early on.

In Meath we were tormented.
Our massive Lativan security guard demanded a 2nd guard for a tiny site.
You're talking ex-army, neck the size of a bull and tats everywhere.
Came in one morning and the 2 boys quit.... had a few visitors overnight who knew where they lived.
Went to Gardai "Not much we can do I'm afraid"


As for working near the border. Good lord.
Stacked about 30 ton of steel on site one day.
Left outside security hut.
I mean they'd need to lift it out over the security hut with a hiab.
Come in at 7 to a petrified security man. About 20 calls gone to Gardai.....they sauntered over after morning shift change to see to story.

We all went to tea another day bar one man. On return he was sitting in the office, his jeep was gone. He just shrugged, said there were 4 of them.


In any of those cases we got told who needed to be paid for a quiet life.......

I'm full sure there are plenty of farmers with similar issues.

It the normalising of that is wrong as well as it actually happening the fact that project manager or site manager has an almost wink wink, what can you do, macho bs, almost half admiring them for it attitude is at the heart of it as well.

Wildly Boaring

mariaalice wrote: »

It the normalising of that is wrong as well as it actually happening the fact that project manager or site manager has an almost wink wink, what can you do, macho bs, almost half admiring them for it attitude is at the heart of it as well.

Believe me most site managers want nothing to do with this ****.

No option when getting hounded and staff at risk. Gardai no interest.