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Renault Zoe

  • 02-10-2019 10:54pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    Hi

    Can someone give me some pointers in regard to a Renault Zoe.

    Looks like the 1st gen ones (or whatever the word is) were from 2012-2016 and have a 22kw battery. Would they have a range of 100 miles or so when new?

    What is battery degradation like?

    Are they generally reliable?

    What is the battery ‘lease’ thing about?

    Not sure if I’m getting mixed up here but it seems to have a 43kw onboard charger which seems massive compared to 3.3kw of some leafs.

    Anything to look out for?


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,822 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Just buy that Prius, Tom.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    Correct re age range 22kw
    100 miles new yes
    Battery degredation negligible
    Reliable very
    Connected app is crap due to be updated this month
    Dunno 100% charging speeds on 1st gen one but the ze4 will pull 22kw out of a public charger it's a party piece.
    There was also a q90 which I think was quoted at 43kw charging speed.
    Battery lease is just that buy the car much cheaper and lease the battery various terms mileage options available c.50euro/month.
    Some people think it's good most hate it.leasebmustvbevtaken up by new owner,Renault can disable car remotely if not paid,but will also replace the battery no quibbles if faulty


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    adunis wrote: »
    Correct re age range 22kw
    100 miles new yes
    Battery degredation negligible
    Reliable very
    Connected app is crap due to be updated this month
    Dunno 100% charging speeds on 1st gen one but the ze4 will pull 22kw out of a public charger it's a party piece.
    There was also a q90 which I think was quoted at 43kw charging speed.
    Battery lease is just that buy the car much cheaper and lease the battery various terms mileage options available c.50euro/month.
    Some people think it's good most hate it.leasebmustvbevtaken up by new owner,Renault can disable car remotely if not paid,but will also replace the battery no quibbles if faulty

    Thank you, good info. appreciated.
    If you buy one of these privately or even from a garage, how do you manage the lease thing, who do you pay the actual lease money to? A Renault Ireland bank account is it?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    adunis wrote: »
    Correct re age range 22kw
    100 miles new yes
    Battery degredation negligible
    Reliable very
    Connected app is crap due to be updated this month
    Dunno 100% charging speeds on 1st gen one but the ze4 will pull 22kw out of a public charger it's a party piece.
    There was also a q90 which I think was quoted at 43kw charging speed.
    Battery lease is just that buy the car much cheaper and lease the battery various terms mileage options available c.50euro/month.
    Some people think it's good most hate it.leasebmustvbevtaken up by new owner,Renault can disable car remotely if not paid,but will also replace the battery no quibbles if faulty

    so more a less the same range as a leaf then.
    Does it have any negatives (like the gen 1 leaf heat pump scenario)

    Those charging times are very good compared to Leaf.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    Anyone else have any comments on the Zoe?


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,040 Mod ✭✭✭✭ charlieIRL


    We have a new ZE40 Zoe at work. Great little car (ours is converted to a van). Has cost peanuts to run so far and we’re getting 320kms out of it now but we do respect it when we drive it - there’s only three of us who use it.
    Mixture of town / N-Road driving.

    They are very basic compared to my eGolf and any other EV but it’s perfect for what is needed at work.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    Thanks.

    Anyone have any comments on the one with the 22 kw battery?

    How much of this is actually useable?

    I think in the 24 leaf, only 21.4 is useable from new.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭ Ning


    22kwh usable when new - I think it got around 25kwh total. Battery degradation on the Zoe is negligible. Zoe have got more range than 24 leaf + they can pull 22kw from any ESB charger + they look way better. We just completed a 4100 km trip in France with a Zoe 22kw (Q90 with fast charger at 43kw), no problem at all. I get 150km range in summer, 120km in winter.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    Ning wrote: »
    22kwh usable when new - I think it got around 25kw total. Zoe have got more range than 24 leaf + they can pull 22kw from any ESB charger + they look way better. We just completed a 4100 km trip in France with a Zoe 22kw (Q90 with fast charger at 43kw), no problem at all. I get 150km range in summer, 120km in winter.

    Ah ok. Great info. Thank you. What year is yours?
    Brilliant the way its 22kwh useable from new.

    The fact they can pull 22kw from an esb charger is savage. Fully charged in an hour so !!

    How is the heating system in them? Any issues like with leaf with the dodgy heat system on gen 1.

    How is the battery overall, anything to look out for?


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭ Ning


    Zoe has got a heat pump for heating, so it's not drawing much energy. Never had an issue with heating (or cooling). It is possible to pre-condition the car in morning as well (timer, or start with the Renault app).

    We got a Zoe with battery owned, but there are also number of second hand Zoe with battery lease (coming at >60 euro per month depending on mileage). Number of pro and cons of going with battery lease vs battery owned, so really a decision for you.

    When you buy a second hand car from a proper dealer (we got ours from electricautos.ie) , battery health is usually provided - ours was 98% (3 year old) last year, and not noticed a degradation in range after driving 16,000 km with it. At this point it is well proven by experience that there is no major issue with battery degradation on Zoes. Renault replaces battery if health go under a specific percentage (75 or 80%) within 5 years, or during the lifetime is the battery is leased, but I've never heard of anyone having to change the battery in the community.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    Ning wrote: »
    Zoe has got a heat pump for heating, so it's not drawing much energy. Never had an issue with heating (or cooling). It is possible to pre-condition the car in morning as well (timer, or start with the Renault app).

    We got a Zoe with battery owned, but there are also number of second hand Zoe with battery lease (coming at >60 euro per month depending on mileage). Number of pro and cons of going with battery lease vs battery owned, so really a decision for you.

    When you buy a second hand car from a proper dealer (we got ours from electricautos.ie) , battery health is usually provided - ours was 98% (3 year old) last year, and not noticed a degradation in range after driving 16,000 km with it. At this point it is well proven by experience that there is no major issue with battery degradation on Zoes. Renault replaces battery if health go under a specific percentage (75 or 80%) within 5 years, or during the lifetime is the battery is leased, but I've never heard of anyone having to change the battery in the community.

    Thanks again. Good to hear no major heating or cooling issues. 98% battery after 3 years seems very good. Must have been well looked after.

    Can you see the battery % on the dash or do you have to use an app on a phone and a dongle? (I presume the guess o meter of range is indeed a guess o meter in the Zoe too)

    Yeah, I think I’ll stay away from battery lease.


  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    Gom in ze4.0 is unfailingly accurate cant imagine the 22 is any different.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    adunis wrote: »
    Gom in ze4.0 is unfailingly accurate cant imagine the 22 is any different.


    Good to hear!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    If the choice was between a 132/141 Gen 1.5 leaf or a 151 Zoe, which would offer the best range?


  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    Zoë would almost certainty still have better range,charging is the thing,CCS v chademo.
    Zoë will pull 22kw at public charger
    Don't forget charging at home leaf prob only has a 3.3 6.6=is rare ,se Leaf threads charger Zoë will charge at 7 at home.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 tom_tarbucket


    adunis wrote: »
    Zoë would almost certainty still have better range,charging is the thing,CCS v chademo.
    Zoë will pull 22kw at public charger
    Don't forget charging at home leaf prob only has a 3.3 6.6=is rare ,se Leaf threads charger Zoë will charge at 7 at home.


    Yeah, the Zoe charging is very good in fairness.

    I’m nearly sold on the Zoe, just not sure on the looks of the Zoe - looks very ‘dinky’


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    Yeah, the Zoe charging is very good in fairness.

    I’m nearly sold on the Zoe, just not sure on the looks of the Zoe - looks very ‘dinky’

    I'd suggest driving one


  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    And I'd suggest parking it next to a leaf,its way bigger than you'd think


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,040 Mod ✭✭✭✭ charlieIRL


    There’s actually lots of room for 4 adults in a Zoe. Try one out. Renault we’re giving 24hr tests drives as well I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭ boarduser01


    If the choice was between a 132/141 Gen 1.5 leaf or a 151 Zoe, which would offer the best range?

    With that choice I would definitely go with the Zoe. But my other half would choose the Leaf!

    We had both for a year, the leaf definitely had less range than the 22kw Zoe, and on longer journeys (uk and Ireland trips) the Zoe is easier.

    We subsequently changed to a 40kw Zoe, keeping the leaf. We chose not to go with the 40kw Leaf due to slow charging on the 22kw chargers in towns around Ireland, increased journey times in rural Ireland.

    The leaf is a smoother drive, and more room in the back seat for a third adult. Boot space is about the same, infact easier to get wheelchair in Zoe than Leaf, but leaf is longer if transporting DIY gear rather than people.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    There’s actually lots of room for 4 adults in a Zoe. Try one out. Renault we’re giving 24hr tests drives as well I think.

    Would you get 3 across the back for a short journey?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    With that choice I would definitely go with the Zoe. But my other half would choose the Leaf!

    We had both for a year, the leaf definitely had less range than the 22kw Zoe, and on longer journeys (uk and Ireland trips) the Zoe is easier.

    We subsequently changed to a 40kw Zoe, keeping the leaf. We chose not to go with the 40kw Leaf due to slow charging on the 22kw chargers in towns around Ireland, increased journey times in rural Ireland.

    The leaf is a smoother drive, and more room in the back seat for a third adult. Boot space is about the same, infact easier to get wheelchair in Zoe than Leaf, but leaf is longer if transporting DIY gear rather than people.

    Why more room for the wheel chair. More vertical space?


  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    Just to give a sense of scale
    Wheelbase if a Zoë is bigger than a range rover classic ,they are far bigger than they look


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    Park one beside a Renault Captur and you will see they are similar size and height but it looks like a supermini.
    Still has the aerodynamics of a brick which doesn't help above 100kmph


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,822 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    adunis wrote: »
    Wheelbase if a Zoë is bigger than a range rover classic ,they are far bigger than they look

    Good point. Just checked and the wheelbase of the Zoe is a bit smaller than a Golf. Which is of course a small family hatch (C-segment). Most people would have placed the Zoe in the supermini class, but it is bigger than that. Still, neither car is suitable for more than 4 adults, unless they are tiny.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    Zoe new tyres ,thoughts ?,
    Ain't no way it's getting those dopey Michel ev yokes again.
    I'm thinking falken sn110.......


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ reboot


    adunis wrote: »
    Zoe new tyres ,thoughts ?,
    Ain't no way it's getting those dopey Michel ev yokes again.
    I'm thinking falken sn110.......

    I just went with Avon Zv7? My mechanic suggested them and I saved £200. The original Renault tyres showed cracking on the outside walls. Maybe range may be slightly reduced due to more grip, but in winter not a bad thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    16" wheels ,Avon not available in my size [email protected] load rating, presumably your car is on 15" steels ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ reboot


    195/55/R16


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  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ adunis


    reboot wrote: »
    195/55/R16

    Best check your load rating reboot the 16" tyres are supposed to be 91 load rating,88 for the 15s and 17s,in reality 87 is probably absolutely fine ,but not "correct"


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