OK is now a hate symbol says ADL

Veritas Libertas

This has been brewing for a while for all that missed it, Blizzard banned their gamers from using the OK symbol at their events.

Now the anti-defamation league have officially declared the OK gesture a 'hate symbol'.



https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture


In years to come we'll have politicians apologizing for having used the OK gesture in the past. Start deleting your photos guys and start act accordingly, we can't be seen to be racist!

Morgans

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

Noveight

The kind of non-issue Trudeau would blow his load over.

banie01

So if we all start using the OK gesture to take back it's power?
Are we ok then?
Or is it now a gesture that can only be used by people of colour as an affirmative gesture?
And any whites still using it are plainly white supremacist and racist?

Is the thumbs up still ok?
Or is its phallic thrustiness a symbol of patriarchal domination?

TheValeyard

They can fcuk right off.

Morgans

banie01 wrote: »

So if we all start using the OK gesture to take back it's power?
Are we ok then?
Or is it now a gesture that can only be used by people of colour as an affirmative gesture?
And any whites still using it are plainly white supremacist and racist?

Is the thumbs up still ok?
Or is its phallic thrustiness a symbol of patriarchal domination?

Anyone acting this stupid is selling you something.

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

Anyone who accuses others of not recognizing that this has been coopted by white supremacists is forming a strawman for the purpose of obfuscation.

Turning this symbol into a hate gesture because it has been coopted by white supremacists is the height of ridiculousness. If the gay community had the words thrown at them labelled as hate speech in the 90s they would never have been able to reclaim those words.

White supremacists also wear T-shirts, should we also stop wearing T-shirts?

biko

How it all started

Morgans

You have no idea what the alt-right buzzwords you use mean.

Veritas Libertas

biko wrote: »

How it all started

Nazis

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone acting this stupid is selling you something.

Morgans wrote: »

You have no idea what the alt-right buzzwords you use mean.

You sound like a child. I mean one that is in pre-school infants. One that has a nasty temper tantrum and can't form a coherent argument.

Morgans

For the full text rather than the link.



Note: For reasons explained below, particular caution must be used when evaluating this symbol.

The “okay” hand gesture—in which the thumb and index finger touch while the other fingers of the hand are held outstretched—is an obvious and ancient gesture that has arisen in many cultures over the years with different meanings.

Use of the okay symbol in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless.

In 2017, the “okay” hand gesture acquired a new and different significance thanks to a hoax by members of the website 4chan to falsely promote the gesture as a hate symbol, claiming that the gesture represented the letters “wp,” for “white power.” The “okay” gesture hoax was merely the latest in a series of similar 4chan hoaxes using various innocuous symbols; in each case, the hoaxers hoped that the media and liberals would overreact by condemning a common image as white supremacist.

In the case of the “okay” gesture, the hoax was so successful the symbol became a popular trolling tactic on the part of right-leaning individuals, who would often post photos to social media of themselves posing while making the “okay” gesture.

Ironically, some white supremacists themselves soon also participated in such trolling tactics, lending an actual credence to those who labeled the trolling gesture as racist in nature. By 2019, at least some white supremacists seem to have abandoned the ironic or satiric intent behind the original trolling campaign and used the symbol as a sincere expression of white supremacy, such as when Australian white supremacist Brenton Tarrant flashed the symbol during a March 2019 courtroom appearance soon after his arrest for allegedly murdering 50 people in a shooting spree at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.

The overwhelming usage of the “okay” hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention. Since 2017, many people have been falsely accused of being racist or white supremacist for using the “okay” gesture in its traditional and innocuous sense.

Other, similar-seeming hand gestures have also been mistakenly assumed to have white supremacist connotations as a result of the “okay” hoax. One of these is the so-called “Circle Game,” in which people attempt to trick each other into looking at an okay-like hand gesture made somewhere below the waist. Another is the hand sign of the Three Percenter movement, a wing of the anti-government extremist militia movement. Three Percenters, who are right-wing extremists but are not typically white supremacists, often make a hand gesture to symbolize their movement that uses the outstretched middle, ring, and pinky fingers to represent a Roman numeral “3.” This gesture, from certain angles, can often resemble an “okay” hand gesture and has been misinterpreted by some as a white supremacist symbol.

Because of the traditional meaning of the “okay” hand gesture, as well as other usages unrelated to white supremacy, particular care must be taken not to jump to conclusions about the intent behind someone who has used the gesture.

Mint Sauce

What will the Scuba Divers do now?

Morgans

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

You sound like a child. I mean one that is in pre-school infants. One that has a nasty temper tantrum and can't form a coherent argument.

Sure Jan

Dravokivich

So is up yours, still up yours, or victory again?

looksee

Why is the ADL acting on behalf of the white supremacists by giving this story legs? It needs people to be aware that they have 'adopted' the gesture for the adoption to be effective.

The whole nonsense should be ignored, the rest of humanity does not have to give up anything just because one little section claims it.

There is far too much willing acceptance of social-media-generated 'rules' that are basically just notions put forward by self appointed 'influencers'.

banie01

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone acting this stupid is selling you something.

Care to elaborate?

Stupid how?

Depending on ones perspective, the hysterical reaction to the co-opting of an internationally recognised gesture of affirmative is the only stupidity here.

That some white power groups co-opted a gesture, does not make the gesture wrong, offensive or indeed any other shade of outraged.
It means a group of people use it in a fashion that is a "signal" to others in that group.

It does not mean that the gesture itself is wrong or offensive.
You keep peddling the stupidity without actually padding out or supporting your position, would you care to try?

Any comment on my phallic thumb?

Morgans

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I had never heard about this until seeing this thread. I imagine the vast majority of people are in the same boat.

The OP is determined to being interpretations of concepts discussed for years in alt-right forums to boards. And to possibly impress people who havent seen them. All are nonsense.

MontgomeryClift

Check out some of the other ADL hate symbols:
https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols

Here's an example:

100%
100% is shorthand for "100% white" among white supremacists. It is also common to create alphanumeric variations to proclaim solidarity with a particular white supremacist group or gang, such as "112%" for "100% Aryan Brotherhood."

At this rate the ADL will soon be able to save space on their web site by listing the things not associated with white supremacy.

Veritas Libertas

looksee wrote: »

Why is the ADL acting on behalf of the white supremacists by giving this story legs? It needs people to be aware that they have 'adopted' the gesture for the adoption to be effective.

The whole nonsense should be ignored, the rest of humanity does not have to give up anything just because one little section claims it.

There is far too much willing acceptance of social-media-generated 'rules' that are basically just notions put forward by self appointed 'influencers'.

The ADL have been grandstanding for a long time(pewdiepie). Its much more about promoting themselves than the cause they are working towards.

“Just putting it out there brings it more and more into the mainstream,”- John Vick

TheValeyard

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

Check out some of the other ADL hate symbols:
https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols

Here's an example:


At this rate the ADL will soon be able to save space on their web site by listing the things not associated with white supremacy.

Wow. They really hate numbers. I bet ya they failed maths!

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

The OP is determined to being interpretations of concepts discussed for years in alt-right forums to boards. And to possibly impress people who havent seen them. All are nonsense.

Glad you're around to let people know what I'm determined to do. How did you acquire this superpower?

Morgans

banie01 wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Stupid how?

Depending on ones perspective, the hysterical reaction to the co-opting of an internationally recognised gesture of affirmative is the only stupidity here.

That some white power groups co-opted a gesture, does not make the gesture wrong, offensive or indeed any other shade of outraged.
It means a group of people use it in a fashion that is a "signal" to others in that group.

It does not mean that the gesture itself is wrong or offensive.
You keep peddling the stupidity without actually padding out or supporting your position, would you care to try?

Any comment on my phallic thumb?

Exactly. Its all detailed in the link. How white supremacist groups consistently use this to dogwhistle to their supporters (first ironic, then not so much). Then bleat when called on it (like you are doing) "how can you say its racist". Its only the Ok sign.

At the moment, the thumbs up isnt problematic, but if nazis use in the future a as a signal to what they are doing and who their audience is for atrocious and not so atrocious actions, then it should be viewed as a symbol of hate as well. As is in the ADL link, context is important.

Morgans

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Glad you're around to let people know what I'm determined to do. How did you acquire this superpower?

Reading your nonsense that has been rehashed for years on reddit and elsewhere over the last years. There isnt an alt-right argument that you have missed yet.

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

Reading your nonsense that has been rehashed for years on reddit and elsewhere over the last years. There isnt an alt-right argument that you have missed yet.

The ADL literally just this week classified the OK as a hate symbol. Are you ok mate? Maybe you need to lie down?

Morgans

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

The ADL literally just this week classified the OK as a hate symbol. Are you ok mate? Maybe you need to lie down?

The OK symbol has been problematic for years.

This is a discussion from years ago. Tim Pool acting as disingeous as the OP here. interesting to hear him use the ADL to defend his argument here. ADL has seen through the lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52APBQy1Olk

um7y1h83ge06nx

Jesus, why oh why can't people use some common sense and recognise the context things are used in.

With regards the 100% I hope they don't get hold of some of my spreadsheets. The last sentence is a joke by the way.

Montage of Feck

Outside in the real world, the ok sign is still ok. Is white supremisiscm even a thing outside of redneck colonial nations.

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

The OK symbol has been problematic for years.
This is a discussion from years ago. Tim Pool acting as disingeous as the OP here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52APBQy1Olk

Why not try engage in the discussion instead of enforcing your strict dogma?

Answer this question and let the discussion continue.

What use is it for the ADL to classify the OK symbol a hate gesture? What good does that do?

I can tell you the bad it will do, people will see others doing the sign and assume they're nazis.

If you can argue some good is done that outweighs this bad, I'll concede. Agreed?

banie01

Context is important.
However all too often there is a race to infer insult, racism and offense where none was implied.

The claim of these gestures as a dog whistle for white nationalists is all too often built on claims of people and organisations whose very existence and income is dependant upon identifying and stoking new and evolving forms of offensiveness.

It is an exercise in futility and ridiculous semantics to ascribe universal offense to a gesture that is used by billions without implication, on foot of the efforts of an over thought piece of 4chan/Reddit nonsense.

MontgomeryClift

Origins of the ADL:


A B'nai B'rith organisation begat the ADL while defending president of its Atlanta chapter Leon Fran. Frank ran a pencil factory, and raped and murdered 13 year old Mary Phagan, whom he employed along with many other teens, in violation of child labour laws.

Phagan was strangled to death with wire, she had been bludgeoned with a pipe, and her underwear was torn and bloodied. She went to collect her $1.30 pay cheque and never returned. After she was raped and murdered, her body was dragged to the basement. Police found strands of her hair and blood on the floor across from Frank’s office. Frank nervously revealed the victim's name in front of police before they had given him any such details.

A grand jury voted 21 – 0 to indict Frank. Four of those jurors were Jewish, yet later the ADL would try to argue that the jury wrongly convicted him because of antisemitism.

Judge, Leonard Roan rejected all appeals, and ordered Frank to be hanged on April 17, 1913. Yet Frank who was unanimously elected president of the B’nai Brith chapter again even after being convicted of rape and murder. With the help of Jewish pressure groups, he appealed to Governor John M. Slaton who, in his last week in office, commuted Frank's sentence, changing it from the death penalty to life in prison.

While in prison, fellow inmate William Creen used a butcher knife and cut Leon’s throat severely injuring him. On August 16th a mob broke into the prison captured Leon Frank and took him 2 miles away and hanged him.

The ADL fought to grand Frank a posthumous pardon, which he got in 1986. Fred Grimm of the Miami Herald said of the pardon: "A salve for one of the South’s most hateful, festering memories, was finally applied."

The ADL was created with Jewish mafia money. It has connections to Meyer Lansky, Moe Dalitz, Bugsy Siegal, arms trafficker Hank Greenspun. The ADL famously gave Jewish gangster Moe Dalitz the Torch of Liberty Award.

biko

is_that_so

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Outside in the real world, the ok sign is still ok. Is white supremisiscm even a thing outside of redneck colonial nations.

It's an offensive gesture in quite a few countries, as it's a sexual reference.

B0jangles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

Origins of the ADL:


A B'nai B'rith organisation begat the ADL while defending president of its Atlanta chapter Leon Fran. Frank ran a pencil factory, and raped and murdered 13 year old Mary Phagan, whom he employed along with many other teens, in violation of child labour laws.

Phagan was strangled to death with wire, she had been bludgeoned with a pipe, and her underwear was torn and bloodied. She went to collect her $1.30 pay cheque and never returned. After she was raped and murdered, her body was dragged to the basement. Police found strands of her hair and blood on the floor across from Frank’s office. Frank nervously revealed the victim's name in front of police before they had given him any such details.

A grand jury voted 21 – 0 to indict Frank. Four of those jurors were Jewish, yet later the ADL would try to argue that the jury wrongly convicted him because of antisemitism.

Judge, Leonard Roan rejected all appeals, and ordered Frank to be hanged on April 17, 1913. Yet Frank who was unanimously elected president of the B’nai Brith chapter again even after being convicted of rape and murder. With the help of Jewish pressure groups, he appealed to Governor John M. Slaton who, in his last week in office, commuted Frank's sentence, changing it from the death penalty to life in prison.

While in prison, fellow inmate William Creen used a butcher knife and cut Leon’s throat severely injuring him. On August 16th a mob broke into the prison captured Leon Frank and took him 2 miles away and hanged him.

The ADL fought to grand Frank a posthumous pardon, which he got in 1986. Fred Grimm of the Miami Herald said of the pardon: "A salve for one of the South’s most hateful, festering memories, was finally applied."

The ADL was created with Jewish mafia money. It has connections to Meyer Lansky, Moe Dalitz, Bugsy Siegal, arms trafficker Hank Greenspun. The ADL famously gave Jewish gangster Moe Dalitz the Torch of Liberty Award.

I googled this text and the only sources I can find are conspiracy subforums on 4chan, 8chan(!?), and some kind of far-right blog which appears to focus on evil jewish conspiracies...


Are they the sort of places you normally rely on for your information?

Danzy

The adl have become a parody.

That they fell for an online prank like this is very sad.

Too isolated from reality.

Morgans

B0jangles wrote: »

I googled this text and the only sources I can find are conspiracy subforums on 4chan, 8chan(!?), and some kind of far-right blog which appears to focus on evil jewish conspiracies...


Are they the sort of places you normally rely on for your information?

At least they arent trying to hide it. And nothing, nothing at all anti-semetic about the message.

Hercule Poirot

So that fb campaign in which men were asked to post a picture of themselves doing the OK symbol to show that "it's ok to not be ok" was actually a subliminal campaign to spread the message of white power and to put down non-whites without them even knowing it?

Yeah, makes sense...

banie01

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

So that fb campaign in which men were asked to post a picture of themselves doing the OK symbol to show that "it's ok to not be ok" was actually a subliminal campaign to spread the message of white power and to put down non-whites without them even knowing it?

Yeah, makes sense...

Not at all...
But!
If you can retrospectively convince those that took part, and supported such a campaign that their well intentioned actions were actually quite offensive to a victimised subset of a society?
Well...

That's a cash cow, a gift horse, a money tree even

Danzy

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

So that fb campaign in which men were asked to post a picture of themselves doing the OK symbol to show that "it's ok to not be ok" was actually a subliminal campaign to spread the message of white power and to put down non-whites without them even knowing it?

Yeah, makes sense...

In the modern Left it does make sense.

The left has gone completely ficking insane.

This weird identity politics obsession will kill it.

MontgomeryClift

B0jangles wrote: »

I googled this text and the only sources I can find are conspiracy subforums on 4chan, 8chan(!?), and some kind of far-right blog which appears to focus on evil jewish conspiracies...


Are they the sort of places you normally rely on for your information?

You can't have looked very carefully.

From Wikipedia:

The Anti-Defamation League was founded by B'nai B'rith as a response to attacks on Jews; the recent conviction of Leo Frank was mentioned by Adolf Kraus when he announced the creation of the ADL.

B0jangles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

You can't have looked very carefully.

From Wikipedia:

No, no, I don't mean elements of the text, I mean blocks of it - that's how you find out more exactly where text is being quoted from it. That text in that form appears to only appear on extremist sites.



Is that where you are quoting it from?

I mean, you formatted it in a way which suggests it is a direct quotation, but you didn't cite a source - why?

MontgomeryClift

B0jangles wrote: »

No, no, I don't mean elements of the text, I mean blocks of it - that's how you find out more exactly where text is being quoted from it. That text in that form appears to only appear on extremist sites.



Is that where you are quoting it from?

I mean, you formatted it in a way which suggests it is a direct quotation, but you didn't cite a source - why?

It's not a quote. If any of the text in italics is false, please feel free to correct it.

B0jangles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

It's not a quote. If any of the text in italics is false, please feel free to correct it.

It's all your own work? That's super-weird because large sections of it appear verbatim on 4chan/8chan and a far-right blog about jewish conspiracies.


Great minds think alike, I suppose.

MontgomeryClift

B0jangles wrote: »

It's all your own work? That's super-weird because large sections of it appear verbatim on 4chan/8chan and a far-right blog about jewish conspiracies.


Great minds think alike, I suppose.

If any part of it is untrue please let me know. I don't want to post falsehoods.

I don't care where information comes from, and neither should you. For what it's worth, I could never make sense of 4/8chan, and I read Jewish web sites and anti-Jewish web sites, since they can both be equally revealing. Why would I not want the full picture?

You should stop being afraid of certain forums and web sites because people tell you they're evil.

Dyr

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

The whole thing was invented by 8chan to show how prevalent purse clutching lunacy have become

And it worked, you being a case in point.

B0jangles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

If any part of it is untrue please let me know. I don't want to post falsehoods.

Yeah, I'm not going to start researching a virulently anti-semetic 4chan/8chan conspiracy theory for you - if you want it to stand up to scrutiny, please cite your sources.

B0jangles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

If any part of it is untrue please let me know. I don't want to post falsehoods.

I don't care where information comes from, and neither should you. For what it's worth, I could never make sense of 4/8chan, and I read Jewish web sites and anti-Jewish web sites, since they can both be equally revealing. Why would I not want the full picture?

You should stop being afraid of certain forums and web sites because people tell you they're evil.

I'm not afraid of them, I'm disgusted by them.

edit: Still no sources you're willing to share? Damn, they must be really really bad.

MontgomeryClift

B0jangles wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not going to start researching a virulently anti-semetic 4chan/8chan conspiracy theory for you - if you want it to stand up to scrutiny, please cite your sources.

You can read about the murder here:
http://www.aboutnorthgeorgia.com/ang/Little_Secrets
and here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank
Let me know if you still think the Mary Phagan murder case is a conspiracy theory, or that the conviction and murder of Leon Frank had nothing to do with the origins of the ADL. You are doing the world a great disservice by not publishing that information.

Morgans

Bambi wrote: »

The whole thing was invented by 8chan to show how prevalent purse clutching lunacy have become

And it worked, you being a case in point.

Did you read the ADL statement? It That's all part of the grift. Its pretty amazing that some people refuse to differentiate between someone giving the ok sign as part of their regular day, and white supremacists doing it as a calling card to their sympathisers online or offline. If you arent a white supremacist or a supporter of their terrorism, then it is highly unlikely to be viewed as a racist sign. However, if you do it when you are being arrested or being in court after burning a synagogue, mosque or any other racially motivated crime, it is being used as a sign of solidarity with others of your ilk.

If you dont or refuse to understand the difference, you are part of the trolling or stupid.

AllGunsBlazing

Hate symbol?!!

But I've been using it as a gang sign for years. So embarrassed right now...

B0jangles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

You can read about the murder here:
http://www.aboutnorthgeorgia.com/ang/Little_Secrets
and here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank
Let me know if you still think the Mary Phagan murder case is a conspiracy theory, or that the conviction and murder of Leon Frank had nothing to do with the origins of the ADL. You are doing the world a great disservice by not publishing that information.

Still doesn't explain that your original text (https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111368753&postcount=32) the one you now claim is all your own work is made up of blocks of text copied from conspiracy subforums on 4chan, 8chan and what appears to be an openly and virulently anti-semitic blog.


What's that all about?