Second Hand Tractor

Tomjim

Looking to buy a tractor, budget 18/20 k

4 wheeldrive
90/100 HP
With loader if possible if not then I will need to put one on

I was looking at a 2003 MF 4355 (I think that was the number) with 3400 hrs , it was very clean but he was looking for 28k for it

Any suggestions

farmec1001

McCormick or Case cx 90 or 105.
Much better to buy without loader and source and fit second hand one after.
If buying one with a loader could have a lot of wear in front axle depending on the owner and number of bales drawn.
Good farm tractor but not great for a lot of road haulage.

Fine Day

I am sure any of the dealers would be worth a try. Best bet is to hop into your car and head of to a few of them in your area. Your budget might sound alot but will not buy a newish machine. From internet search you will be back to a 20 year old tractor. If you could get a newholland, John deere, case, zetor mccormick etc. in good order would be a good bet. Most of the brands were prity good back then as they had limited electrics.

Bass Reeves

farmec1001 wrote: »

McCormick or Case cx 90 or 105.
Much better to buy without loader and source and fit second hand one after.
If buying one with a loader could have a lot of wear in front axle depending on the owner and number of bales drawn.
Good farm tractor but not great for a lot of road haulage.

Buying and fitting a loader afterwards will drive you well over the 20K budget. Buying a second hand tractor takes patience. It could take you 6 months. Masseys are expensive. Case/McCormick Cx 90 or 105 are a good option. i have a McCormick CX 90 myself bought it a year ago for 18K out of a dealer. A Case CS94 as well these were a Steyr tractor

Other options are Zetor 8441 or 9641. Will be hard to get a 9641 with low hours but 8441 back around 2004 with less than 5K hours should be in your budget just about. A lot of the 7441 Zetors have been recalibrated to 80-90hp as well so they are an option. NH TL 90/100's or L series are options as well.

Bazzer007

Defo sound advice to be patient and you'll come across a clean tractor for sale. Check Donedeal every few hours as good value tractors sell quick especially with loaders. We put a loader on a MF 399 after buying it. Tractor cost €12,000k just under 4,000 hrs and put on a secondhand Rossmore loader for €5k. Good going tractor with plenty of power. I personally prefer a tractor with a better lock such as a JD etc.,

Fine Day

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/landini-85/23068410

Tomjim

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tl90/8321721

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-4365/23013750

What are these like?

hopeso

Theheff wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/landini-85/23068410

Not faulting the tractor or anything, but why put something as stupid as, 'Similar tractor to a massy 390 only half the price ', into the description? All that says to me is that he's trying to fool someone unsuspecting. How can he be trusted with anything else he says about the tractor?

hopeso

Tomjim wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tl90/8321721

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-4365/23013750

What are these like?

Those little New Hollands are a very good tractor. Basically a Fiat 90 series with some upgrades. A good strong drive line. However, the one in your link says manual shuttle, which probably means it has a dry clutch. Later models had a wet clutch......
Not only is the wet clutch far more suitable for loader work, the dry clutch are particularly weak in these tractors, like the Fiats before them.....

Hagimalone

It would be hard to get a tl90 with power shuttle & loader for that money. Had a fiat with a loader for 15 years & never had to replace clutch. Alot is the way you drive. I do agree the power shuttle is way better than the manual shuttle but I'd doubt you'd get one for that money.
None of my business but do you need 100hp, l was thinking that when l went buying, ended up with a 80hp tractor. Tl80. Very happy & plenty of power for me.

Bass Reeves

Hagimalone wrote: »

It would be hard to get a tl90 with power shuttle & loader for that money. Had a fiat with a loader for 15 years & never had to replace clutch. Alot is the way you drive. I do agree the power shuttle is way better than the manual shuttle but I'd doubt you'd get one for that money.
None of my business but do you need 100hp, l was thinking that when l went buying, ended up with a 80hp tractor. Tl80. Very happy & plenty of power for me.

A very good point in the age tractor he is looking for mosy 80-100hp tractors are byuld on the same chassis. As well it looks like all slurry willbe low emission in 3ish years so most will use contractors at taht stage. On sub 100 acres farms you will get away with slightly smaller tractors

twin_beacon

hopeso wrote: »

Not faulting the tractor or anything, but why put something as stupid as, 'Similar tractor to a massy 390 only half the price ', into the description? All that says to me is that he's trying to fool someone unsuspecting. How can he be trusted with anything else he says about the tractor?

I thought the same thing. That Landini is 12k, a 390 of similar age and hours is only slightly more expensive.


As for the 4365, good tractor but probably not suited to the OPs needs. Its around 110hp, manual shuttle and the high bonnet. As posted earlier, take your time and wait for the correct machine.

hopeso

twin_beacon wrote: »

I thought the same thing. That Landini is 12k, a 390 of similar age and hours is only slightly more expensive.
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True, but the point I was making is that tractor is in no way similar to a 390. They both use a Perkins engine. That’s where the similarities end. Any make of tractor in that power bracket would be just as similar to a 390 as his tractor.

9935452

hopeso wrote: »

True, but the point I was making is that tractor is in no way similar to a 390. They both use a Perkins engine. That’s where the similarities end. Any make of tractor in that power bracket would be just as similar to a 390 as his tractor.

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A 9880 would have been more massey than a blizzard

older by the day

I see a very clean mf 3645 in west cork with low hrs. I was thinking of having a look. Are they reliable. Did anyone have an old 36 series. Was the tranmittion ok. I think she's the 16gear , not the 32 . I could be wrong. Coming back to buying a tractor, it's nice to have power behind you

GrasstoMilk

hopeso wrote: »

Not faulting the tractor or anything, but why put something as stupid as, 'Similar tractor to a massy 390 only half the price ', into the description? All that says to me is that he's trying to fool someone unsuspecting. How can he be trusted with anything else he says about the tractor?

The back ends and front axle are Massey, the engine is perkins.
Good tractors, maybe not the most comfortable

emaherx

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

The back ends and front axle are Massey, the engine is perkins.
Good tractors, maybe not the most comfortable

Definitely not same front axle as a 390, front diff is in wrong place.

Who2

emaherx wrote: »

Definitely not same front axle as a 390, front diff is in wrong place.

The front axle on a 390 is nothing to be proud of, especially if it’s an ng one. Whoever designed it needs a good kick in the stones.

emaherx

Who2 wrote: »

The front axle on a 390 is nothing to be proud of, especially if it’s an ng one. Whoever designed it needs a good kick in the stones.

Not claiming it is, I've plenty of experience with rebuilding them. The comment was just with very little knowlage of the landini it's definitely not "like a 390" as claimed in the add just from the front facing photo. Closest MF axle that it looks like is a 600 series and they are not exactly a thing of beauty either.

Looking at photo of backend it doesn't look MF like either.

tabby aspreme

There's an MF 6150 on DD for 10k sterling, can't put a link up, but it looks clean

Damo810

emaherx wrote: »

Not claiming it is, I've plenty of experience with rebuilding them. The comment was just with very little knowlage of the landini it's definitely not "like a 390" as claimed in the add just from the front facing photo. Closest MF axle that it looks like is a 600 series and they are not exactly a thing of beauty either.

Looking at photo of backend it doesn't look MF like either.

Both the 390T and the Blizzard 95's used a turbo'd 236 perkins, that is as far as im aware the only similarity as far as I know ( I could be wrong). It was something similar with the 600 series MF and 80 series Landinis, same engine, but different backends, same cab but Landini Galvinised theirs.

Who2

It’s from the engine through to the front casting where the difference lies in a lot of those. I layed out four front castings all of 390’s beside each other recently and the differences were cruel. Bolt holes and measurements all exactly the same but the make up of them there was day and night in the structure of them.

emaherx

Damo810 wrote: »

Both the 390T and the Blizzard 95's used a turbo'd 236 perkins, that is as far as im aware the only similarity as far as I know ( I could be wrong). It was something similar with the 600 series MF and 80 series Landinis, same engine, but different backends, same cab but Landini Galvinised theirs.

Those engines were used in everything. We've 3 different machines in they yard with it and a 4th without the turbo.

White Clover

emaherx wrote: »

Those engines were used in everything. We've 3 different machines in they yard with it and a 4th without the turbo.

398, 390T and 698T?

emaherx

White Clover wrote: »

398, 390T and 698T?

Close...
390T 698T 3CX and 365 for non turbo one

satstheway

https://www.facebook.com/928246587193105/posts/3226130224071385/

Keep Sluicing

older by the day wrote: »

I see a very clean mf 3645 in west cork with low hrs. I was thinking of having a look. Are they reliable. Did anyone have an old 36 series. Was the tranmittion ok. I think she's the 16gear , not the 32 . I could be wrong. Coming back to buying a tractor, it's nice to have power behind you

As long as its the 16 gear model, it should be grand.

twin_beacon

satstheway wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/928246587193105/posts/3226130224071385/

that won't last long! That will go for over €30k, new tyres and a 3 year old loader. looks like a high spec model too, power shuttle and exhaust to the side.

Grueller

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tl90/23086167
As good an option as any

Bass Reeves

Grueller wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tl90/23086167
As good an option as any

Dear for off farm condition

Grueller

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Dear for off farm condition

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tl90/8321721

£15,500 is at a guess €16,700. Add vat at 20% gives you €3,340 extra. That is €20,340.
€500 transport and changing the plates over through nct centre is €20,840.
No loader, so the quicke loader on the other one would set you back at least €4,500 between buying brackets, boom and getting it fitted.
I don't think the first one is overly dear.

I am not running down your recent purchase Bass but you gave €18,000 iirc for a 2wd cx80 with no loader. 4wd makes that at least €20k and a loader up to €23k imo. The TL90 is a more desirable tractor on the open market and will shift quicker if you want to let her off again.

Quick question for anyone, not just Bass, what do you value a dealers six month warranty at on a tractor like the above? Very little in my experience as it can be next to impossible to get them honoured.

Bass Reeves

Grueller wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tl90/8321721

£15,500 is at a guess €16,700. Add vat at 20% gives you €3,340 extra. That is €20,340.
€500 transport and changing the plates over through nct centre is €20,840.
No loader, so the quicke loader on the other one would set you back at least €4,500 between buying brackets, boom and getting it fitted.
I don't think the first one is overly dear.

I am not running down your recent purchase Bass but you gave €18,000 iirc for a 2wd cx80 with no loader. 4wd makes that at least €20k and a loader up to €23k imo. The TL90 is a more desirable tractor on the open market and will shift quicker if you want to let her off again.

Quick question for anyone, not just Bass, what do you value a dealers six month warranty at on a tractor like the above? Very little in my experience as it can be next to impossible to get them honoured.

No I paid 18K for a 4WD McCormick CX90 with a loader in imacculate condition with highish hours. She had done only road work not a leak on the loader and was always kept inside. I have a 2wd CX80 that I bought 2 years previous it had no loader but it cost a good bit less. Looked at putting a loader on it the cost was 5K+ for anything decent. Then looked at trading it again trade in value was poor in the 6-7K bracket and would struggle to make 10 in a private sale. So I held onto it as a second tractor. In reality if you trade any tractor that age you will not get much in value compared to retail cost of it. The TL 90 you put up would struggle to get 15K in a trade in IMO.

The 4WD came with a 3 month warranty from a dealer. Really hard to get a dealer to give anything more than 3 months or 300 hours on any tractor that is 15 years+. Yes I value it but usually unless you are doing heavy work straight after buying it hard to find any faults. One advantage if buying a distance away a 3 month warranty will allow you to bring it home and get your mechanic to give it a good once over. The value of a warranty is relative to your ability to check a tractor over and your ability to repair one.

On loaders neighbour with a MF 390 recently put a new Rossmore loader on it, Had priced second hand ones and saw the saving was too little to go down that road. Rossmore came collect his tractor fitted the loader and dropped it back again. What will an FL 45 cost 7.5K?

Tomjim

what are the New Holland TD 95 like - anyone any experience

Or the Case CX 90

hopeso

Tomjim wrote: »

what are the New Holland TD 95 like - anyone any experience

Or the Case CX 90

The New Holland TD95 is the same tractor as a Case JX95. They're a basic, light tractor aimed at the budget end of the market. They would be popular on small stock farms. You'll hear good and bad about them...but what tractor is any different.
The CX90 would be an older tractor. They were basically the old International back end mated with a Perkins engine. They were later re-branded and sold as Mc Cormicks. They would be a slightly more heavy built tractor than the Case JX, but by no means a heavy duty tractor either. The back end in particular was around a very long time at that stage. But, probably capable enough on a stock farm.

Tomjim

So is there a big difference between the TL90 and the New Holland TD95/ Case JX 95.

hopeso

Tomjim wrote: »

So is there a big difference between the TL90 and the New Holland TD95/ Case JX 95.

Yes. The TL90 is a much better tractor. But, saying that, TD95 is perfectly fine for the market it’s aimed at.

bogman_bass

hopeso wrote: »

The New Holland TD95 is the same tractor as a Case JX95. They're a basic, light tractor aimed at the budget end of the market. They would be popular on small stock farms. You'll hear good and bad about them...but what tractor is any different.
The CX90 would be an older tractor. They were basically the old International back end mated with a Perkins engine. They were later re-branded and sold as Mc Cormicks. They would be a slightly more heavy built tractor than the Case JX, but by no means a heavy duty tractor either. The back end in particular was around a very long time at that stage. But, probably capable enough on a stock farm.

Still a heavier backend than the equivalent MF though

Bass Reeves

hopeso wrote: »

The New Holland TD95 is the same tractor as a Case JX95. They're a basic, light tractor aimed at the budget end of the market. They would be popular on small stock farms. You'll hear good and bad about them...but what tractor is any different.
The CX90 would be an older tractor. They were basically the old International back end mated with a Perkins engine. They were later re-branded and sold as Mc Cormicks. They would be a slightly more heavy built tractor than the Case JX, but by no means a heavy duty tractor either. The back end in particular was around a very long time at that stage. But, probably capable enough on a stock farm.

The back end of the McCormick CX 80/90/100 uses the older International back end with the two PTO shafts. The case CX uses the same back end as the 42 series. They have a lift capacity of 1.6 or 2.5T depending if assistor ram is fitted. The McCormick international back end will liff capacity of 3.5T it is probably more than a tractor that size should lift. But no tractor that size has a similar lift capacity. Hydraulics are very fast on it as well

IMO the McCormick is one of the best tractors in the 70-100jp bracket out there and there second hand pricing makes them good value. The problem is there is not a.lot of them around. Brilliant choice of tractor for the 50-100 acre man but hard to find clean example's

Tomjim

I'm still looking. What's this like?

https://www.tfmltd.com/machine/case-cs94/

Also looked at a tl90 which had small back wheels which would have to be changed. Would it cost much to change the wheels. The bottom line on tl90 was 18.5k and there was no loader

hopeso

Tomjim wrote: »

I'm still looking. What's this like?

https://www.tfmltd.com/machine/case-cs94/

Also looked at a tl90 which had small back wheels which would have to be changed. Would it cost much to change the wheels. The bottom line on tl90 was 18.5k and there was no loader

Hard to put a price on changing the wheels. It probably depends on how lucky you are, and what you find available at the time. If it’s a 4wd, it will probably mean changing the front wheels or tyres too, to maintain the correct ratios...

Those Case CS are a good tractor..The tyres on that one look to be well down. Replacements will add a lot to the price.

Tomjim

New Holland TL 90 with no loader for a 2001/2002 model are coming in at circa 20k huge money

Morris Moss

Tomjim wrote: »

New Holland TL 90 with no loader for a 2001/2002 model are coming in at circa 20k huge money

Neighbour has 1, nothing but trouble, he's after putting ridiculous money into it and it's still not right.

hopeso

Tomjim wrote: »

New Holland TL 90 with no loader for a 2001/2002 model are coming in at circa 20k huge money

It is huge money, but everything has it's worth. There is a market for simple, reliable tractors and they fit the bill. It's like the MF 390. People will say they are way over priced, but there are enough people who want a tractor like that, and the market reflects it.
Have you looked into a New Holland TS? They would be something in between the TL and the TM. More like a small TM really. They might offer better value?

hopeso

Morris Moss wrote: »

Neighbour has 1, nothing but trouble, he's after putting ridiculous money into it and it's still not right.

There will always be tractors like that. It can happen any brand and any model.

hopeso

Have you hone to see that Case CS? It looks tidy enough in the photos...I always like to see a tractor with a clean interior.

Tomjim

I to look and purchased. Happy with it.

As a matter of interest I had a MX Loader. There is a Tanco loader on the new tractor.

Can I change the head on the new loader to fit the implements that I have

Grueller

Tomjim wrote: »

I to look and purchased. Happy with it.

As a matter of interest I had a MX Loader. There is a Tanco loader on the new tractor.

Can I change the head on the new loader to fit the implements that I have

Ya that should be an easy enough job. Well wear.

Tomjim

Is it possible to but a MX Headstock for the Tanco loader, where could you buy one - does it have to be made up specially

Grueller

Tomjim wrote: »

Is it possible to but a MX Headstock for the Tanco loader, where could you buy one - does it have to be made up specially

I am assuming that they take euro hooks?

Fine Day

Tomjim wrote: »

I'm still looking. What's this like?

https://www.tfmltd.com/machine/case-cs94/

Also looked at a tl90 which had small back wheels which would have to be changed. Would it cost much to change the wheels. The bottom line on tl90 was 18.5k and there was no loader

I was chatting a guy in the machinery trade lately & he was saying that parts for the steyr type case & new holland maybe become diffcult to get in the future due to the brand now been gone. However the CS are a good tractor. I would not be a fan of Tanco loaders tho.

hopeso

Tomjim wrote: »

I to look and purchased. Happy with it.

As a matter of interest I had a MX Loader. There is a Tanco loader on the new tractor.

Can I change the head on the new loader to fit the implements that I have

Well wear! That tractor should be fairly stable on loader work. More so than a TL90. I’d say she’ll serve you well...