Female Fury - Watch out!

Silentcorner

Women are angry lads and it all our fault....

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/do-you-suffer-from-female-fury-heres-how-to-make-it-work-for-you-38496980.html?fbclid=IwAR3_P7jtQapNyuD686hAh7FOtzjRz6lpyGLicxddnECYe6DBKTNwaN_Xwq0

Apparently we overdid the ould patriachal oppression and the girls don't like it...

What should we do with a child's temper tantrums, the article doesn't say...is it just women's tantrums we should encourage?

dennyire

In before Berties Horse

Sardonicat

Did you actually read the article?

Woke Hogan

dennyire wrote: »

In before Berties Horse

He's thumbing through a thesaurus frantically and rooting around for his wallet so he can utilise another ten dollar word.

Silentcorner

Sardonicat wrote: »

Did you actually read the article?

Just because someone is angry does not make them right...learning life skills like coping with injustice or grievances is part and parcel of growing up.

jam_mac_jam

One of the main points of the article is that you should be assertive and use anger in a positive way instead of bottling it up or getting depressed. I don't know what you are talking about that tantrums should be tolerated? Did you read the article or just the title.

I think the following is useful advise for both men and women, from the article.

Dr Malie Coyne outlines some techniques for how you can make your anger work:

⬤ Cut the shame: The first step to addressing anger in a more positive way is being aware first of all that anger is a normal and should not induce shame.

⬤ Let your feelings guide you: Try to work out what your anger is telling you. It might be that you want to be paid better in your job, or you want things to be different in your relationship. Try to ask yourself 'what is the message behind my anger?'

⬤ Take a step back: Figure out what that message is and how you are going to problem solve it. Anger comes from a different part of the brain than the problem solving part; it comes from the amygdala. So we have to try and move ourselves out of that into the reasoning, problem-solving part of the brain.

⬤ Stand up for yourself: Express yourself firmly and confidently, using assertive body language, trying not to be too dramatic.

Sardonicat

Silentcorner wrote: »

Just because someone is angry does not make them right...learning life skills like coping with injustice or grievances is part and parcel of growing up.

Great. Did you read the article?

Silentcorner

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

One of the main points of the article is that you should be assertive and use anger in a positive way instead of bottling it up or getting depressed. I don't know what you are talking about that tantrums should be tolerated? Did you read the article or just the title.

I think the following is useful advise for both men and women, from the article.

Dr Malie Coyne outlines some techniques for how you can make your anger work:

⬤ Cut the shame: The first step to addressing anger in a more positive way is being aware first of all that anger is a normal and should not induce shame.

⬤ Let your feelings guide you: Try to work out what your anger is telling you. It might be that you want to be paid better in your job, or you want things to be different in your relationship. Try to ask yourself 'what is the message behind my anger?'

⬤ Take a step back: Figure out what that message is and how you are going to problem solve it. Anger comes from a different part of the brain than the problem solving part; it comes from the amygdala. So we have to try and move ourselves out of that into the reasoning, problem-solving part of the brain.

⬤ Stand up for yourself: Express yourself firmly and confidently, using assertive body language, trying not to be too dramatic.

Ya...can't argue with any of that...but it has got nothing to do with "gender inequality"...nothing what so ever, or husbands who aren't supportive or being valued in the workplace...

Most people learn the lessons above in childhood, life is a bitch!

JohnnyFlash

Chicks can get a bit angsty and shouty if under too much pressure. Dudes tend to either sulk or kill each other.

Silentcorner

Sardonicat wrote: »

Great. Did you read the article?

Did you...

"So what is behind this tidal wave of rage? According to clinical psychologist Dr Malie Coyne, studies suggest there are some common routes to anger for women, most notably feelings of powerlessness or injustice.

Gender inequality in society, the workplace and the home, play a huge part"

"Women are paid less, they aren't as valued in the workplace, when they hit glass ceilings it's very hard for them to earn more than that. In many ways it's still a men's world," says Mike Fisher.

For many women, this imbalance continues into the domestic sphere. "When a woman is working and she comes home from work, she feels she has to do so much more than the man does. When it comes to child-rearing, once again, women are far are more responsible than men. That creates a lot of tension and conflict. A lot of women don't feel listened to, they don't feel valued, they don't feel appreciated, they don't feel supported. And then of course they become resentful, they act out their anger."

It's always someone else's fault, if a person keeps blaming everyone else around them, maybe they should look at themselves.

Glass ceilings, pay gaps, unpaid domestic labour is all fantasy...clean the exact same amount as your husband does, work the same hours your husband does in the same job and you'll be paid the same amount.

dennyire

Woke Hogan wrote: »

He's thumbing through a thesaurus frantically and rooting around for his wallet so he can utilise another ten dollar word.

some wallet

Keyzer

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did you...

"So what is behind this tidal wave of rage? According to clinical psychologist Dr Malie Coyne, studies suggest there are some common routes to anger for women, most notably feelings of powerlessness or injustice.

Gender inequality in society, the workplace and the home, play a huge part"

"Women are paid less, they aren't as valued in the workplace, when they hit glass ceilings it's very hard for them to earn more than that. In many ways it's still a men's world," says Mike Fisher.

For many women, this imbalance continues into the domestic sphere. "When a woman is working and she comes home from work, she feels she has to do so much more than the man does. When it comes to child-rearing, once again, women are far are more responsible than men. That creates a lot of tension and conflict. A lot of women don't feel listened to, they don't feel valued, they don't feel appreciated, they don't feel supported. And then of course they become resentful, they act out their anger."

It's always someone else's fault, if a person keeps blaming everyone else around them, maybe they should look at themselves.

Glass ceilings, pay gaps, unpaid domestic labour is all fantasy...clean the exact same amount as your husband does, work the same hours your husband does in the same job and you'll be paid the same amount.

The thing we need to remember is these articles are typically written by idiots with the IQ of a housefly.

The statement above in bold is a load of bollox - unsubstantiated crap backed up by nothing. Perhaps in the 50's and 60's this kind of behaviour was going on but not now and certainly not in any household I know of today. On the contrary, I'd say more men feel under valued and under appreciated.

Women need to stop blaming everyone else and take a long hard look at themselves. Gender pay gap is a nonsense - it simply doesn't exist. I have yet to see one study that would convince me otherwise.

FunLover18

So, your solution to these angry women is to tell them in an even angrier tone that their issues are fantasy and to get over it?

Ted_YNWA

dennyire wrote: »

In before Berties Horse

Woke Hogan wrote: »

He's thumbing through a thesaurus frantically and rooting around for his wallet so he can utilise another ten dollar word.

Do not post to try and antagonise other users

Your Face

I thought this may be about a female relative of Tyson Fury.

Keyzer

FunLover18 wrote: »

So, your solution to these angry women is to tell them in an even angrier tone that their issues are fantasy and to get over it?

I don't know what the solution is and, to be brutally honest, its not my job to find one.

But feeding these ridiculous notions of unfairness with lies and falsifications is not the answer. And taking it out on men isn't the answer either.

If the gender pay gap was real and woman really do get paid 78 cent to the euro versus men (which is illegal by the way) then why wouldn't companies just hire women? You'd save a fortune.

It's a nonsense which has been debunked time and time again (and ignored time and time again) by facts. Not feelings.

Silentcorner

It's actually a very serious issue, so pardon my tone.

There is no one solution, but stop blaming men or the "patriarchy" would be a healthy start.

We live in an age where women enjoy huge advantages over men, from education, health, justice, government spend, quotas, you'd imagine women would be as content as they have ever been...go figure!

suicide_circus

camille paglia's spiel on this is something like;

men and women used to have their own "domains" over which they had control - basically inside and outside the home.

then women fought to join the men down the mines.

conditions down the mines have changed very slightly to accommodate women but not enough to negate certain biological realities.

zapper55

The title is quite clickbaity but her point holds. Moat couples I know both have full time jobs but the women sorts the childcare, their clothes, remembering family presents and events. They handle far more of the mental load.

dxhound2005

Silentcorner wrote: »

Women are angry lads and it all our fault....

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/do-you-suffer-from-female-fury-heres-how-to-make-it-work-for-you-38496980.html?fbclid=IwAR3_P7jtQapNyuD686hAh7FOtzjRz6lpyGLicxddnECYe6DBKTNwaN_Xwq0

Apparently we overdid the ould patriachal oppression and the girls don't like it...

What should we do with a child's temper tantrums, the article doesn't say...is it just women's tantrums we should encourage?

How can you be sure that only lads will read what you wrote?

FunLover18

Keyzer wrote: »

I don't know what the solution is and, to be brutally honest, its not my job to find one.

But feeding these ridiculous notions of unfairness with lies and falsifications is not the answer. And taking it out on men isn't the answer either.

If the gender pay gap was real and woman really do get paid 78 cent to the euro versus men (which is illegal by the way) then why wouldn't companies just hire women? You'd save a fortune.

It's a nonsense which has been debunked time and time again (and ignored time and time again) by facts. Not feelings.

I don't have a solution either but from observing the various threads here on the topic it always seems to come down to men denying there's a problem at all or a tennis match of whataboutery. Maybe there should be an article on how to deal with other people's anger as well as how to deal with our own because shouting them down obviously doesn't help. There's obviously some sort of problem for it to keeping coming up.

Silentcorner

dxhound2005 wrote: »

How can you be sure that only lads will read what you wrote?

It was tongue in cheek! Don't get your knickers in a twist!! (So was that)

Cyclepath

zapper55 wrote: »

The title is quite clickbaity but her point holds. Moat couples I know both have full time jobs but the women sorts the childcare, their clothes, remembering family presents and events. They handle far more of the mental load.

And most couples I know also both have full time jobs. But guess what, the man generally takes responsibility for:

• Organising banking/mortgage payments
• Organising insurance policies on house/car(s)
• Organizing and optimising utility bills
• Maintenance/repairs of family car(s), home appliances etc
• Physical work such as DIY, bins, gardening and so on
• Sports fixtures with kids
• etc

They handle far more of the financial/physical load...

And just one final point; having come through a recession and having seen several friends and family lose their homes, it's funny how nobody ever pointed at the female partner and blamed them for that. But the men, to a greater or lesser extent, certainly were.

Regardless of how much equality we desire to see in relationships, we as a society tend to collude in assigning roles to each side.

dxhound2005

Silentcorner wrote: »

It was tongue in cheek! Don't get your knickers in a twist!! (So was that)

It's actually a very serious issue, so pardon my tone.

meeeeh

So the article is written (in Indo may I add and citing male psychologist). Then a thread on boards is started with hysterical overreaction about evil women blaming innocent men for everything.

How predictable.

dxhound2005

meeeeh wrote: »

So the article is written (in Indo may I add). Then a thread on boards is started with hysterical overreaction about evil women blaming innocent men for everything.

How predictable.

Perhaps hysterical is not quite the word to use.


hysterical (adj.)
1610s, "characteristic of hysteria," the nervous disease originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus;

Silentcorner

meeeeh wrote: »

So the article is written (in Indo may I add and citing male psychologist). Then a thread on boards is started with hysterical overreaction about evil women blaming innocent men for everything.

How predictable.

Well...the article was about an epidemic of female rage, which blamed men for most of it...which I thought was a little hysterical, so I'm not sure but we might agree!!

meeeeh

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Perhaps hysterical is not quite the word to use.


hysterical (adj.)
1610s, "characteristic of hysteria," the nervous disease originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus;

It's perfectly adequate description. Some men here are behaving exactly like they would have a dysfunction of imaginary uterus.

suicide_circus

Rage Against The Washing Machine

meeeeh

suicide_circus wrote: »

Rage Against The Washing Machine

Well at least we discovered that dinosaurs aren't extinct yet.

Keyzer

meeeeh wrote: »

It's perfectly adequate description. Some men here are behaving exactly like they would have a dysfunction of imaginary uterus.

I don't see any hysterical reactions - just men who appear to be sick tired of being demonised and blamed for everything thats gone wrong for women, since the dawn of time.

As to the second part of your post, I have no idea what your talking about.

RobbingBandit

Just buy em some shoes, nice ones though otherwise you'll be eating them instead of eating steak.

meeeeh

Keyzer wrote: »

I don't see any hysterical reactions - just men who appear to be sick tired of being demonised and blamed for everything thats gone wrong for women, since the dawn of time.

Oh you poor pet...

suicide_circus

meeeeh wrote: »

Well at least we discovered that dinosaurs aren't extinct yet.

oh do relax

dxhound2005

meeeeh wrote: »

Well at least we discovered that dinosaurs aren't extinct yet.

They turned into birds.

El_Duderino 09

Cyclepath wrote: »

And most couples I know also both have full time jobs. But guess what, the man generally takes responsibility for:

• Organising banking/mortgage payments
• Organising insurance policies on house/car(s)
• Organizing and optimising utility bills
• Maintenance/repairs of family car(s), home appliances etc
• Physical work such as DIY, bins, gardening and so on
• Sports fixtures with kids
• etc

They handle far more of the financial/physical load...

And just one final point; having come through a recession and having seen several friends and family lose their homes, it's funny how nobody ever pointed at the female partner and blamed them for that. But the men, to a greater or lesser extent, certainly were.

I really don't think that list of jobs you claim are mostly jobs done by men, is generally true. Some things like DIY might be true. But the financial stuff like mortgages; do modern couples segregate that stuff? I really doubt it.

That kind of thing might have been true in the past.

up for anything

Silentcorner wrote: »

Women are angry lads and it all our fault....

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/do-you-suffer-from-female-fury-heres-how-to-make-it-work-for-you-38496980.html?fbclid=IwAR3_P7jtQapNyuD686hAh7FOtzjRz6lpyGLicxddnECYe6DBKTNwaN_Xwq0

Apparently we overdid the ould patriachal oppression and the girls don't like it...

What should we do with a child's temper tantrums, the article doesn't say...is it just women's tantrums we should encourage?

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Do not post to try and antagonise other users

That's much better.

meeeeh

suicide_circus wrote: »

oh do relax

No need to be offended. I'm sure the joke was original 50 years ago.

Jmsg

It's a cultural disease emanating from the postmodern "individualistic" societies in which gender roles have been abolished and the sexes are viewed as totally interchangable. This results in women becoming possessed by their masculine side and men their feminine. They're then unable to process their emotions and become highly neurotic.

jam_mac_jam

If this thread is anything to go by, everyone is angry.

Ted_YNWA

up for anything wrote:

That's much better.

My mod note applies to all posters regardless of the gender they identify as.

You don't want to see Mod fury here!

FunLover18

The interesting thing about the article is that I didn't think it tried to assign blame. It states and speculated on why women felt angry but there was far more focus on what they could do to address and cope with that anger and at no point did it suggest directing it at men. As some have pointed out men can feel as equally frustrated about gender bias in other areas and I think they could take as much from this article on how to deal with that frustration as the women it's aimed at.

dxhound2005

Jmsg wrote: »

It's a cultural disease emanating from the postmodern "individualistic" societies in which gender roles have been abolished and the sexes are viewed as totally interchangable. This results in women becoming possessed by their masculine side and men their feminine. They're then unable to process their emotions and become highly neurotic.

I think we're still in the age where those can be regarded as modern phenomena, starting around 60 years ago, and still continuing. If there is a postmodern reaction, it will be against those trends.

Keyzer

meeeeh wrote: »

Oh you poor pet...

And there we have it, descending into patronising comments.

Bravo !!!

nthclare

I tend to steer clear of angry men and women.

At the end of the day we're all responsible for our choices and decisions.

There's a lot of unfortunate men women and children who have no choice but to put up with people's anger and personality disorders.

Running into marriages and living together early on in relationships, making poor lifestyle choices, working in ****ty jobs with unreal expectations and pressure beyond comprehension.

For what the promise of a prize at the end, big bonuses and benefits.
Like a donkey following the carrot.
If you work your arse off you'll get a prize at the end of the week....

I can see why women are getting frustrated with the system and believing the lies being spewed to them from their peer's and what's expected of them .

It really baffles me why the focus is always on people's anger and frustration.

I never hear much on the media about the women out there who are happy out, living the dream.

There's a lot of them living rurally, they've left the so called rat race and are enjoying the artisan lifestyle, not interested in getting married to some jock or living the fast lane lifestyle of fashion technology and managing a team of unhappy people.

Just passed an amazing woman earlier, she's nearly 40 out picking BlackBerries, she'll probably head home later and make black berry pie, finish off some poem she's writing.

Put on a fire later, listen to her favourite music.
Her boyfriend might drop by or her elderly neighbor will drop in for a chat and cup of tea.

She's quite content and happy, works for herself makes enough to get by.

She used to be in the cooperative world in London, woke up one morning said she's had enough.
Started saving to follow her dream, now she's living it.

I think women are amazing, they're at their best when they are free from pressure and content with their decisions.

dxhound2005

Keyzer wrote: »

And there we have it, descending into patronising comments.

Bravo !!!

Brava.

Ipso

Great name for a sequel to Fury Road.

Jmsg

FunLover18 wrote: »

The interesting thing about the article is that I didn't think it tried to assign blame. It states and speculated on why women felt angry but there was far more focus on what they could do to address and cope with that anger and at no point did it suggest directing it at men. As some have pointed out men can feel as equally frustrated about gender bias in other areas and I think they could take as much from this article on how to deal with that frustration as the women it's aimed at.

The feminist narrative was at least heavily implied; that women were collectively oppressed historically by being relegated to a subservient role to men and that it is the injustice of this which has built up anger in women throughout the generations. But this can't be the case as women were far calmer and composed in former eras. The neurosis of today's women is due to their rebellion against their reproductive roles. They have only fought to be "liberated" to go and live as male egos because of a delusional perception of what this actually entails and they're now totally misfitted.

Cyclepath

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I really don't think that list of jobs you claim are mostly jobs done by men, is generally true. Some things like DIY might be true. But the financial stuff like mortgages; do modern couples segregate that stuff? I really doubt it.

That kind of thing might have been true in the past.

It's as true as the list of things women are supposed to exclusively do ;-)

chuck eastwood

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I really don't think that list of jobs you claim are mostly jobs done by men, is generally true. Some things like DIY might be true. But the financial stuff like mortgages; do modern couples segregate that stuff? I really doubt it.

That kind of thing might have been true in the past.

Job for job in there in our case the above is almost spot on. My other half is physically fit and very capable. She has far more third level qualifications than I do yet I am the one tasked with any and all down to the most basic of diy jobs (which I enjoy doing, she doesn't know this). Sorting switching mortgage bank accounts/home insurance/ etc etc.
Even today I get a call to order oil because she heard on the radio oil prices are sure to go up. On asking can she do it as I'm working, nope. Apparently I'm better at that type of stuff. But do you know what, this split of things to do doesn't bother us one bit. I'm an engineer and she's a social worker ( both paid the same as our male/female colleagues) and we genuinely laugh at people being so dramatic about the topic. In the home as long as one isn't sitting on their hoop while the other slaves away then it's all just false outrage. But sure look, maybe we aren't woke enough to fight each over when it comes to pointless sh*&e

Raconteuse

These threads always go so well. Good choice OP.