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2010 Mercedes E Class failed NCT

  • 14-09-2019 2:59pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    Offside rear, extensive corrosion, Subframe dangerous.

    Hi

    Anyone know if the subframe in a merc is easily replaceable? What would be the best course of action here?

    Car otherwise in great nic, although 300,000 kms


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭ Tzardine


    Handy enough job for an indy garage. Good few hours labour in it though.

    Probaby cost a couple of grand for parts and labour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,943 ✭✭✭✭ Toyotafanboi


    I think I'd heard before that Merc were covering these under the bodywork/ anti corrosion warranty. I think its prolific with some models, or is it the C-Class?


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    I think I'd heard before that Merc were covering these under the bodywork/ anti corrosion warranty. I think its prolific with some models, or is it the C-Class?

    The tester said that to me also. Must ring MB Wednesday. It's second hand though


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    Good point about the anti corrosion warranty. As long as the car has full service history without gaps the Mobilo anti-corrosion warranty should be valid for 30 years for any rust due to manufacturing defects.

    Somebody successfully fought Mercedes at court and won even though they had some services done by non-Mercedes shop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    samih wrote: »
    Good point about the anti corrosion warranty. As long as the car has full service history without gaps the Mobilo anti-corrosion warranty should be valid for 30 years for any rust due to manufacturing defects.

    Somebody successfully fought Mercedes at court and won even though they had some services done by non-Mercedes shop.

    Mercedes covering the sub frame replacement. Brake line also corroded, need to see they do that too. Not really the best built cars in the world though. Not even in Germany.

    No cover for replacement car either for work from Mercedes Ireland, that's out of my pocket. At least 8 working days. Flat out refused.

    German Datsuns, would never buy one again. For a 9 year old car to have this level of problems....two months ago the immobiliser motor went, left stranded, 850 euro, known issue, Mercedes won't acknowledge

    Piece of sh%te with little recognition of build issues by manufacturer


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,943 ✭✭✭✭ Toyotafanboi


    To be fair, I think it's good that they are covering the defect almost 10 years and 300k kms later, if all you fall out over is a loan car, that's a result for you IMO.

    Agreed though, very patchy reliability for an expensive car.


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    To be fair, I think it's good that they are covering the defect almost 10 years and 300k kms later, if all you fall out over is a loan car, that's a result for you IMO.

    Agreed though, very patchy reliability for an expensive car.

    I tend to look at it another way

    If they sold the car with the byline:

    "After 9 years this car's core metal frame will rust due to the poor quality and or finish of the metal we use requiring 10 days to fix. We cant seem to get this right after bulding cars for over 120 years. Your car will be marked as "dangerous" and your national testing centre will tell you they will phone the local police if you drive it away. Now, how do you get those two kids home?

    The issue of the poor quality material we use as the backbone of our cars will be so common that the national car tester will tip you off that there's a warranty fix because they see so many instances. A known issue, but only need to know. We won't announce it or do a recall. So for those whose car does structurally fail.....

    and the immobiliser will go in a type default that we won't recognise, this will occur at any time, even when your car is parked on a slope and require a towtruck that could lift a hummer to get it on a ramp. The specialist mechanic will show you two other e classes in his shop, both with the same issue and tell you that luck was on your side that this didn't occur hundreds of miles from home.

    Both of these issues will cause you weeks' of hassle and cost close to 2,000 euro, we don't really care about that. How you deal we it is up to you, you're a resourceful Mercedes driver. We'll reluctantly cover the inherent safety issue with our vehicles, if you somehow find out that we'll cover it, but that and only that"


    I don't see any of this as a result. An unsafe car, that's my issue. I'm going to send this link to Conor Pope, see if he's interested in running a story on this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,943 ✭✭✭✭ Toyotafanboi


    That is a very cynical approach indeed.

    Cars do break down, cars do rust, whether they be Mercedes or Dacia. The car rusted, Mercedes fixed it.

    Not the kind of failure one would expect on what is a relatively modern car, I grant you that. Surely not having to pay for the repair in what is an ageing car is good news?

    Has the car got a main Mercedes service history?

    How has your servicing mechanic never spotted the sub frame in such poor condition and brought it to your attention? It didn't rust through like that overnight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    Pretty much all manufacturers have had known issues sometimes catastrophic causing recalls and where they cover out of warranty repairs.

    Sometimes they will cover it in other markets and not Ireland now that's cynical.

    The bigger more expensive the car new, the higher risk of big bills later. Everything will just be more expensive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    That is a very cynical approach indeed.

    Cars do break down, cars do rust, whether they be Mercedes or Dacia. The car rusted, Mercedes fixed it.

    Not the kind of failure one would expect on what is a relatively modern car, I grant you that. Surely not having to pay for the repair in what is an ageing car is good news?

    Has the car got a main Mercedes service history?

    How has your servicing mechanic never spotted the sub frame in such poor condition and brought it to your attention? It didn't rust through like that overnight.


    How did the NCT not notice it two years ago?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    Is it an import...


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    beauf wrote: »
    Is it an import...

    Nope.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,943 ✭✭✭✭ Toyotafanboi


    How did the NCT not notice it two years ago?

    It may not have been that pronounced two years ago, NCT have a rigid set of criteria for corrosion failures. It's also just one mans word on the day, it could have been wet/ dark/ obscured or simply not noticed, it's a minimal safety inspection.

    If you've 300k on the car it should have had roughly 5 services since the NCT two years ago and your mechanic didn't spot it either? I'd be asking him a few questions, or at least considering not using his services in future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    I think Mercedes-Benz uses the rust as an indicator for the customers that they really are driving a Genuine Mercedes-Benz Motor Car. I have owned about 20 cars over the years and this is the list of cars that had rust before they were 10 years old at the time it happened:

    1978 Ford Escort Mk 2 (everywhere)
    1993 Mercedes E220 (front subframe and sills and rear inner wheel arch)
    2002 Mercedes Sprinter (sills)
    2014 Mercedes Sprinter (inner wheel arch)

    The 2000 SAAB 9-5 for example that we still have in the family still doesn't have any rust anywhere and it will turn 20 next year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,258 ✭✭✭ Cordell


    For a 9 yo car you can accept rust going through a body panel, but not through a subframe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭ Miscreant


    Cordell wrote: »
    For a 9 yo car you can accept rust going through a body panel, but not through a subframe.

    I wouldn't accept that either TBH.

    Especially on a "premium" marque such as a Mercedes. I had a 12 year old Daewoo with not a single patch of rust on it years ago (body or undercarriage), so I would expect a Mercedes to be at least the same if not better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭ grogi


    The tester said that to me also. Must ring MB Wednesday. It's second hand though

    The anti-corrosion warranty is a complete gimmick - it's a perforation warranty. The manufacturer warrants that there won't be a hole through your car.

    No harm talking to MB of course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭ grogi


    Miscreant wrote: »
    I wouldn't accept that either TBH.

    Especially on a "premium" marque such as a Mercedes. I had a 12 year old Daewoo with not a single patch of rust on it years ago (body or undercarriage), so I would expect a Mercedes to be at least the same if not better.

    What does premiumness have anything to do with it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭ Miscreant


    grogi wrote: »
    What does premiumness have anything to do with it?

    Absolutely nothing, which was the reason I had it in quotes.... Mercedes consider themselves a premium brand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    Miscreant wrote: »
    Absolutely nothing, which was the reason I had it in quotes.... Mercedes consider themselves a premium brand.

    All done, warranty work by authorised garage good
    They also wanted 1,300 to fix exhaust pipe, brake pads and brake line.

    Brake line was only other thing noted by nct

    Said no, brought to independent, he said only brake line was issue, 150 euro. Pads perfect. Exhaust pipe had a replaced clip, probably from sub frame work, so.....I'm not judging here

    Sailed thru NCT


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 takijeden


    hi, Where did you fix it? Have you incurred any costs?I have same problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭ cml387


    takijeden wrote: »
    hi, Where did you fix it? Have you incurred any costs?I have same problem.

    Funny you should ask that. See here


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    takijeden wrote: »
    hi, Where did you fix it? Have you incurred any costs?I have same problem.

    Mercedes Ireland, who referred to MSL grange


    Didnt cost me a penny. Known issue


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 takijeden


    How long did it take from inspection to pick up the car ??


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,975 ✭✭✭ ofcork


    Cordell wrote: »
    For a 9 yo car you can accept rust going through a body panel, but not through a subframe.
    Mercedes have had rust issues a long time now lad at work had a 00 e class destroyed in rust.


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    takijeden wrote: »
    How long did it take from inspection to pick up the car ??

    1 week


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,864 ✭✭✭✭ mickdw


    ofcork wrote: »
    Mercedes have had rust issues a long time now lad at work had a 00 e class destroyed in rust.

    Those e class from 96 onwards were known to be rust buckets. I think they changed to water based paints or something at the time.
    They seem to have got a handle on that for the later cars but subframe failure suggests they have more problems. I dont know if its down to design, poor steel or poor painting but good to see that they are replacing them free anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 takijeden


    Everything's done. Mercedes will be cover 100% claim.
    thanks for everything Guys


  • Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭ gabbo is coming


    takijeden wrote: »
    Everything's done. Mercedes will be cover 100% claim.
    thanks for everything Guys

    As the independent mechanic said to me after Mercedes did the work...get shut of this within the next two years, nothing but trouble, get a Toyota!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 takijeden


    As the independent mechanic said to me after Mercedes did the work...get shut of this within the next two years, nothing but trouble, get a Toyota!




    I have an 18-year-old Toyota Corolla E12. without any problems for the last 12 years. every year passes nct.


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