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Principal Officer competition 2019

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭ hardybuck



    No candidate information booklet or advertising date is a little odd?


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 Bowiegal


    hardybuck wrote: »
    No candidate information booklet or advertising date is a little odd?

    Application form is available to download


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ GBCS


    Is there a 500 word limit to ALL questions or just the supplementary information one? Unclear!


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ GBCS


    No information on the process either- odd!


  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭ myk


    Any indication on whether this competition includes the Diplomatic Stream in DFAT and Higher Principal Officers?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭ Maybenever


    Noting the thread.

    Seems different from the last time? No regions? All a bit unclear at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭ myk


    myk wrote: »
    Any indication on whether this competition includes the Diplomatic Stream in DFAT and Higher Principal Officers?

    I've looked at both application forms. In 2017 it referred to Principal Officers and Counselors in DFAT. In the application form for this competition is only refers to Principal Officers. So I assume the DFAT Diplomatic Stream is excluded from this competition.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭ Chinese whospers


    myk wrote: »
    Any indication on whether this competition includes the Diplomatic Stream in DFAT and Higher Principal Officers?


    Just heard about this and will be applying... first time applicant to the CS. :eek:


    From what I've read the top 60 applicants from this application and existing CS can apply for the Higher Principal Officers.



    Then again, I don't know the difference between a PO and HPO :o

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    From what I've read the top 60 applicants from this application and existing CS can apply for the Higher Principal Officers.

    Yes top 60 and existing Principal Officers can apply in due course for PO Higher, it was the same last time

    It is an odd criteria but still in place ( as you need a year as PO to apply but can apply if in top 60)

    PO Higher generally get assigned to Departments of Finance, Public Expenditure or Taoiseach


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭ Chinese whospers


    Riskymove wrote: »

    PO Higher generally get assigned to Departments of Finance, Public Expenditure or Taoiseach

    Thanks, but aren't they on the same payscale, is it just the kudos of working in the premier departments?

    And finally, do we know how far down the panel they went last time in filling positions (will save me from reading the other thread :) )

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭ hardybuck


    Thanks, but aren't they on the same payscale, is it just the kudos of working in the premier departments?

    And finally, do we know how far down the panel they went last time in filling positions (will save me from reading the other thread :) )

    No, different payscales.

    I think they went to 40 or 50 in the non higher scale panel last time, and had a panel of 10-12 on the higher scale, over a two year timeframe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭ Chinese whospers


    hardybuck wrote: »

    I think they went to 40 or 50 in the non higher scale panel last time, and had a panel of 10-12 on the higher scale, over a two year timeframe.

    Very interesting - thanks.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Kagi


    myk wrote: »
    I've looked at both application forms. In 2017 it referred to Principal Officers and Counselors in DFAT. In the application form for this competition is only refers to Principal Officers. So I assume the DFAT Diplomatic Stream is excluded from this competition.

    Yes, no reference to DFAT in this competition. It might be worth asking PAS for clarification though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    hardybuck wrote: »
    I think they went to 40 or 50 in the non higher scale panel last time, .

    40 or 50 were placed but they went down to 70s or 80s on the panel to get to them

    there are many still on the panel who are waiting for regional locations


  • Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭ Irishder


    Applied for this myself. First time applying for a public job. My background is manufacturing and lean so not sure if my skills are transferable.

    Have a bachelors in Electronic Engineering, a HDIP in Business Management and a Masters in Business.

    Would these kind of qualifications and experience count for much?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭ Chinese whospers


    Anybody any ideas how many externals made it through to the HPO level from an external application.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭ Maybenever


    Irishder wrote: »
    Applied for this myself. First time applying for a public job. My background is manufacturing and lean so not sure if my skills are transferable.

    Have a bachelors in Electronic Engineering, a HDIP in Business Management and a Masters in Business.

    Would these kind of qualifications and experience count for much?

    I would say yes generally, but it all depends on specifics of course and how you present them. How much you know about the CS will factor, I got quizzed on it last time out.

    The lean stuff could be spun, my own view is that PM skills are somewhat lacking (of course it will depend on the individual). You'll have to get your thinking hat on as to how you present it in the context of the CS functions.

    As for the Q above on externals, I think 8 in total went on the general panel. No idea what happened with the HPO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭ Chinese whospers


    Maybenever wrote: »
    I think 8 in total went on the general panel.

    8 out of 160(ish) (5%) :eek:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    9% of the successful applicants were private sector

    but apparently there was a very low application rate also


    there were only 12 people put on the PO1 panel so I wouldn't imagine too many were external


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭ hardybuck


    Aside from some technical roles, I think PO is a difficult level to join the organisation at.

    Perhaps someone who has been in an NGO, or someone like IBEC that's lobbying Government, might find it easier.

    Revenue is another that doesn't have a Minister and isn't embroiled in political matters to the same extent.

    Otherwise you're very likely to be embroiled in Ministerial interaction and in and out of the Sec Gen's office like a yo-yo.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭ Chinese whospers


    hardybuck wrote: »
    Aside from some technical roles, I think PO is a difficult level to join the organisation at.

    Perhaps someone who has been in an NGO, or someone like IBEC that's lobbying Government, might find it easier.

    Revenue is another that doesn't have a Minister and isn't embroiled in political matters to the same extent.

    Otherwise you're very likely to be embroiled in Ministerial interaction and in and out of the Sec Gen's office like a yo-yo.

    It's okay, I'm covered. I've see a few episodes of 'Yes Minister'. :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭ hardybuck


    It's okay, I'm covered. I've see a few episodes of 'Yes Minister'. :)

    Eh, yeah - you should be fine...you could mention that at interview.


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭ William72


    I notice that there's no regional preference section in the application form. Is this unusual? (this is my first PO application). Also what is the implication of that for those with a preference for a regional (i.e. non-Dublin) post? If you're offered a Dublin based post from your place in the panel and turn it down - is that it - you're done? Thanks in advance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ GBCS


    Does anyone know the selection process for this competition? Ie will it follow and standard steps including online tests to sift?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    GBCS wrote: »
    Does anyone know the selection process for this competition? Ie will it follow and standard steps including online tests to sift?

    the process is set out in the booklet attached to the ad


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    William72 wrote: »
    I notice that there's no regional preference section in the application form. Is this unusual? (this is my first PO application). Also what is the implication of that for those with a preference for a regional (i.e. non-Dublin) post? If you're offered a Dublin based post from your place in the panel and turn it down - is that it - you're done? Thanks in advance.

    The booklet says most jobs are expected to be in Dublin. That and the fact that people remain on the existing panel for regions would imply that there is very little scope for regional jobs from this panel

    I would imagine if you take a job in Dublin then you are off the panel


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ GBCS


    Riskymove wrote: »
    the process is set out in the booklet attached to the ad

    Thanks- when the competition was first posted there was no information booklet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭ Addle


    Can’t POs be assigned/reassigned anywhere?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭ hardybuck


    Addle wrote: »
    Can’t POs be assigned/reassigned anywhere?

    All Civil Servants can be redeployed at the Minister's discretion, within certain geographical limits - which I think is a 45km radius.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 703 happygoose


    Irishder wrote: »
    Applied for this myself. First time applying for a public job. My background is manufacturing and lean so not sure if my skills are transferable.

    Have a bachelors in Electronic Engineering, a HDIP in Business Management and a Masters in Business.

    Would these kind of qualifications and experience count for much?

    Lean / Business Management / Business Analyst skills are very relevant. Automation / process efficiencies are high in priority under OPS2020 as Government look to remove large numbers in data entry roles and remove wasteful processes through RPA etc.

    Anyone got the three competency questions handy? I’m AP I doubt I will stand a chance as each of the questions require ‘significant experience’ from what I remember but I’m not long in the role.


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