Vuelta a España 2019 Stage 17 - Aranda de Duero › Guadalajara (220 km)

dastardly00

This is the longest stage of the race, and the longest stage since the 2013 Vuelta. There are no categorised climbs today, but there is still 2,395 m of elevation gain.

dastardly00

Okay today should be a fairly boring stage... albeit with Sam having a great chance to win it. But I've started a thread because a massive breakaway group are 2 minutes ahead of the peloton and there are some interesting riders in it.

Nairo Quintana (sixth overall at 7:43), Wilco Kelderman (eighth at 10:34), Hermann Pernsteiner (tenth at 12:05) and James Knox (11th at 13:26), there are a handful of riders looking to jump up on GC.

There are stage hunters such as Dylan Teuns, Luis León Sánchez, Rémi Cavagna, Philippe Gilbert, Thomas De Gendt, though everyone will be intersted in a win if they can get it, obviously.

And, along with the large number of domestiques out there, the group includes a number of climbers (Esteban Chaves, Pierre Latour, Wout Poels, Tao Geoghegan Hart) and sprinters (Sam Bennett, Fabio Jakobsen, Nikias Arndt, John Degenkolb, Edvald Boasson Hagen).

Whats going on there? Wind?

Could hurt Jumbo Visma if they are left to try and bring that back on their own and if the break is working cohesively. The sprinters teams won't help as their men are up the road.

neris

according to Daniel Friebe on yeaterdays podcast todays stage doesnt go below 700 meters in altitude

Gap is 4 minutes now.

dastardly00

If the break decide to work together they could gain a huge amount of time. Decuininck have 7 of their 8 riders in the breakway! Sunweb have 5!

REBELSAFC

Deleted User wrote: »

Gap is 4 minutes now.

Quintana in Red this evening!!!

Lusk_Doyle

REBELSAFC wrote: »

Quintana in Red this evening!!!

Not a hope!

brocbrocach

Not sure Sam is in there...
Bora pulling the peleton but maybe that's for Majka.
Crap highlights on ES at the moment of course.

Sorry looks like he is! Some boy!

EC1000

brocbrocach wrote: »

Not sure Sam is in there...
Bora pulling the peleton but maybe that's for Majka.
Crap highlights on ES at the moment of course.

According to the Vuelta app, he is in there alright.

velo.2010

Another ambush stage at the Vuelta!

Typical late Vuelta broadcast time means there are no pictures. Same as 2012 and 2016 when Contador instigated the attacks.

MPFGLB

This is the kind of stage we need to see from the start

Not really the multiple mountains stages where everyone takes it easy after the usual break goes ...until the final climb


Love to see Nairo back int he game ...DQuickstep will ride fro Knox so a good chance break stays away

MPFGLB

TV now starts at 1.30pm

15 have been dropped from the break, gap 4:30 they're moving and shedding the dead wood.

EC1000

There are now more riders in the front group than Roglic's group so cant see them making much inroads with 7 from QS working at the front along with others.

velo.2010

EC1000 wrote: »

There are now more riders in the front group than Roglic's group so cant see them making much inroads with 7 from QS working at the front along with others.

Didn't know that. Sounds like carnage. Could be a case of who's less bolloxed after this stage as we head towards the end of the race.

REBELSAFC

Kelderman takes 2" at the intermediate sprint
14:10
1. Sam Bennett (Bora-Hansgrohe), 4 pts, 3”
2. Wilco Kelderman (Team Sunweb), 2 pts, 2”
3. Owain Doull (Team Ineos), 1 pt, 1”

Sam is definitely in the break

velo.2010

Quintana now virtual second on GC.

brocbrocach

Deleted User wrote: »

15 have been dropped from the break, gap 4:30 they're moving and shedding the dead wood.

How do 15 riders get dropped from a break like that?! Echelons? Great to see stages like this, everything in the mix.

If QS are doing all the work for GC then maybe Sam has a chance.

happytramp

Difficult situation for Sam now... The QS guys will start jumping off the front later on and he's got nobody to chase them down. Jackobsen will sit on his wheel in case it comes to a sprint. How did Sam make the split but not one other team member?

neris

30 in teh break and 30 in the red group. over 5:30 of a gap now 90km to go

neris

sam in the break

MPFGLB

neris wrote: »

sam in the break

But Bora chasing

neris

AG le 2 R de mondial good man sean

cunavalos

On the train from Madrid to Guadalajara at the moment. the Eurosport player is eating all my data:mad:, have to find a low quality dodgy stream.
Sounds absolutely mad out there.

brocbrocach

Jakobsen gone so all Sam has to do is stick with Gilbert and co., no bother.

neris

Movistar boys on the red jersey group are going hell for leather, weird with Quintana 5 minutes up the road

Inquitus

neris wrote: »

Movistar boys on the red jersey group are going hell for leather

Chasing Quintana lol!

dahat

Sickened i'm in work while this is happening.

EC1000

neris wrote: »

Movistar boys on the red jersey group are going hell for leather, weird with Quintana 5 minutes up the road

Apparently they are trying to drop the domestiques on the uphill that are doing all the chasing.

Edit@ Seems to be working - split to pieces now!

brocbrocach

EC1000 wrote: »

Apparently they are trying to drop the domestiques on the uphill that are doing all the chasing.

Makes sense, domestiques are wrecked - kill them on the hill and then the domestiques are stuck behind trying to catch Roglic who might have to work himself. Ha , Seán just said it.

CantGetNoSleep

I think they are trying to ensure their 4th and 5th places on the overall are secure, would be another fantastic achievement after they got three in the top 10 on the TDF.

BIGT4464

EC1000 wrote: »

Apparently they are trying to drop the domestiques on the uphill that are doing all the chasing.

Edit@ Seems to be working - split to pieces now!

INTERESTING TACTIC

36km to go, the pace is unreal.

MPFGLB

Movistar tactics make no sense as other riders dropping back to chase

neris

Dont think theres any love lost between quintana and management especially with him leaving

Inquitus wrote: »

Chasing Quintana lol!

Inquitus

Sam hanging in there, qudos

at1withmyself

With 4 big climbs tomorrow, all the GC lads will be wrecked after this 😊. Another good day tomorrow so to look forward to...

Injuryprone

I also think that when Jacobsen got dropped in the front group, it was kind of being left to all the moviestar guys to make the pace. So that move behind also sent out the massage that we'll bring ye back unless ye start to work. And I now notice that they are. I don't think what they did is making any difference to roglic

dastardly00

Around 50 km/h average so far... crazy!

brocbrocach

MPFGLB wrote: »

Movistar tactics make no sense as other riders dropping back to chase

Well, they've dropped Roglics domestiques! Now Astana are on the rack which might be exploited later. Meanwhile Movistars lads can sit in and chill until they try to escape in the last kms. The last 10kms should be great for action too.

MPFGLB

brocbrocach wrote: »

Well, they've dropped Roglics domestiques! Now Astana are on the rack which might be exploited later. Meanwhile Movistars lads can sit in and chill until they try to escape in the last kms. The last 10kms should be great for action too.

That is not a tactic as they took almost a minute out of Quintana, tired their guys out up front and in peloton (no sitting and chilling anywhere) and there were enough Astana and others to drop back

That was a valverde move and dreadful tactics if they want Quintana on the podium

mr spuckler

4th hour 54.5 km/h average :eek:

Inquitus

mr spuckler wrote: »

4th hour 54.5 km/h average :eek:

Strong cross tailwind apparently.

neris

jesus that equity release ad is desperate

REBELSAFC

Why is the BORA lad helping Astana in the chasing group?

brocbrocach

MPFGLB wrote: »

That is not a tactic as they took almost a minute out of Quintana, tired their guys out up front and in peloton (no sitting and chilling anywhere) and there were enough Astana and others to drop back

That was a valverde move and dreadful tactics if they want Quintana on the podium

Short term pain for long term gain. It's 5 Astana lads against 20+ escapees for Quintana. Now Roglic is under pressure to ride and Valverde + domestique or two will try to escape and take more time.

Quintana on Sam's wheel

MPFGLB

brocbrocach wrote: »

Short term pain for long term gain. It's 5 Astana lads against 20+ escapees for Quintana. Now Roglic is under pressure to ride and Valverde + domestique or two will try to escape and take more time.

Sorry ..dont agree with any of that ..Roglic has been under no pressure and neither has Pogacar ..Astan have seen to that

The 5 Astana lads are fresher than the 20 up front who are riding all day

Anyway you look at it dreadful Movistar treatment of Quintana
And all for Valverde's podium

neris

cmon sam

neris

sam ****ed hismelf there, went too early