Irish rugby to Japan

afatbollix

Will they have to go via London or will they send a Aerlingus A330 to Japan with the team?

Caranica

afatbollix wrote: »

Will they have to go via London or will they send a Aerlingus A330 to Japan with the team?

They usually do 2 flights for long haul. Summer tours to the SH usually involve a connection in the UAE. Business Class capacity is a big issue.

Lapmo_Dancer

Kilcoyne said after the match on Saturday that he was looking forward to the flight on Wednesday and hopes that “Japan Airways” do a nice steak and glass of vino in business class.

I reckon EI and JAL via where I’m not sure.

Phileas Frog

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Kilcoyne said after the match on Saturday that he was looking forward to the flight on Wednesday and hopes that “Japan Airways” do a nice steak and glass of vino in business class.

I reckon EI and JAL via where I’m not sure.

Heathrow

cson

Caranica wrote: »

They usually do 2 flights for long haul. Summer tours to the SH usually involve a connection in the UAE. Business Class capacity is a big issue.

Any way of doing a charter I wonder? There are a few long haul BBJs & ACJ out there.

California Dreamer

cson wrote: »

Any way of doing a charter I wonder? There are a few long haul BBJs & ACJ out there.

About $15-20k an hour for a BBJ and then restricted to about 15 seats.

Caranica

To add to this, from memory for Australia last year they travelled in two batches because of the business class capacity issue. It's a genuine issue for sports teams with competitive fixtures with a few days. Don't know why Ireland left it so late, England and France are there already, though I know they didn't play on Saturday.

I was on a flight from SA last year and a team was returning from fixtures down there. There wasn't enough capacity in J and I felt so sorry for the giants who had to sit in economy for all those hours and then play a huge game 5 days after getting home.

Gaoth Laidir

Caranica wrote: »

To add to this, from memory for Australia last year they travelled in two batches because of the business class capacity issue. It's a genuine issue for sports teams with competitive fixtures with a few days. .

Except for the FAI...

Caranica

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Except for the FAI...

It's a long time since they had to go anywhere long haul

Portsalon

Caranica wrote: »

Don't know why Ireland left it so late, England and France are there already, though I know they didn't play on Saturday.

The Aussies had to change their flights because of the typhoon! I suspect that England and France may have had bumpy flights!

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/08/rugby-world-cup-typhoon-faxai-japan-australia


UPDATE! Typhoon leaves England stranded at Tokyo airport amid World Cup travel chaos

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/09/typhoon-leaves-england-stranded-at-airport-amid-world-cup-travel-chaos

Noxegon

Caranica wrote: »

There wasn't enough capacity in J and I felt so sorry for the giants who had to sit in economy for all those hours and then play a huge game 5 days after getting home.

Five days recovery time is four days longer than I've ever had after returning from a long haul trip in cattle class. Just a thought.

Caranica

Noxegon wrote: »

Five days recovery time is four days longer than I've ever had after returning from a long haul trip in cattle class. Just a thought.

Absolutely but you weren't playing Toulon in a Heineken Cup semi final!

EICVD

Caranica wrote: »

Absolutely but you weren't playing Toulon in a Heineken Cup semi final!

But maybe he’s still a giant?

Noxegon

I wouldn't call myself a giant, but I'm large enough that flying in anything less than Premium Economy is an endurance.

I guess what I was trying to say is that I have no more sympathy for well-paid sports stars in economy than I do for any other traveller forced to travel long haul in the cheap seats. If they had five days to recover after doing so, then I'd have thought that more than enough. In fact, I'd suggest that they're probably in better physical shape than the average office grunt – and as such they should be able to recover more quickly than us mere mortals

Portsalon

Noxegon wrote: »

I wouldn't call myself a giant, but I'm large enough that flying in anything less than Premium Economy is an endurance.

I guess what I was trying to say is that I have no more sympathy for well-paid sports stars in economy than I do for any other traveller forced to travel long haul in the cheap seats. If they had five days to recover after doing so, then I'd have thought that more than enough. In fact, I'd suggest that they're probably in better physical shape than the average office grunt – and as such they should be able to recover more quickly than us mere mortals

Wasn't it Keith Wood whose neck (yes - he has a neck!) was in such a bad way after a long-haul flight from Siberia that he was crocked for weeks?

Smiles35

This is starting to sound like a possible sideline opportunity in the airline market. Charter planes with all comfy seats for sports teams.

L1011

Smiles35 wrote: »

This is starting to sound like a possible sideline opportunity in the airline market. Charter planes with all comfy seats for sports teams.

Been done. Cello had all US-domestic-first style aircraft in the UK based charter market and plenty of US operators have done it too. Not sure if anyone does currently - it makes the planes less valuable for other flights!

Phileas Frog

L1011 wrote: »

Been done. Cello had all US-domestic-first style aircraft in the UK based charter market and plenty of US operators have done it too. Not sure if anyone does currently - it makes the planes less valuable for other flights!

Flight BA1 from LCY to JFK via SNN, a 32 seat all business A318

cson

Smiles35 wrote: »

This is starting to sound like a possible sideline opportunity in the airline market. Charter planes with all comfy seats for sports teams.

The Ryanair 737-700 is configured in all business class exactly for this reason.

Delta have their own fleet in the US using primarily 757s for transporting the Major League teams.

L1011

Phileas Frog wrote: »

Flight BA1 from LCY to JFK via SNN, a 32 seat all business A318

That's a scheduled service; as is the premium-eco and biz only A350 for Singapore - don't think there's any downtime in the schedules to charter either out.

Riskymove

https://www.paramountbusinessjets.com/aircraft/vip-airliners/

L1011

Riskymove wrote: »

https://www.paramountbusinessjets.com/aircraft/vip-airliners/

They're all a bit small for a full squad except I'd imagine the 777 but they don't say what it has!

You want 40 seats or so really.

pajoguy

Assuming Japan Airlines from LHR the aircraft have the following no. of seats in Business Class

777-300 - 49
777-200 - 26
787-9 - 28
787-8 - 58

If everything is planned to suit the athletes you would have to assume the 787-8 for a quicker recovery from jetlag etc....

This is only a guide to whats on the JAL website.

EDIT: according to another thread they will be on JAL44 which according to flightaware is a 777-300

cson

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-06/nba-players-get-roomier-chartered-jets-as-delta-air-adds-teams

An insight into what's available in the US.

Caranica

Phileas Frog wrote: »

Flight BA1 from LCY to JFK via SNN, a 32 seat all business A318

Why would you want that. Part of the fun of being up the front is knowing that others are stuck in the back

Stovepipe

cson wrote: »

The Ryanair 737-700 is configured in all business class exactly for this reason.

Ryanair got this aircraft for a firesale price and it is used to transport executive staff and engineers and pilots to retrieve broken down aircraft. It has also been used for occasional flights where a full size 737-800 isnt needed.

billie1b

Stovepipe wrote: »

cson wrote: »

The Ryanair 737-700 is configured in all business class exactly for this reason.

Ryanair got this aircraft for a firesale price and it is used to transport executive staff and engineers and pilots to retrieve broken down aircraft. It has also been used for occasional flights where a full size 737-800 isnt needed.

It’s also done a good few football teams and private chartering out of Ireland and the UK. It very very very rarely shuttles staff or engineers around, the Lear jets are used for that and scheduled flights when appropriate.

Riskymove

L1011 wrote: »

They're all a bit small for a full squad except I'd imagine the 777 but they don't say what it has!

You want 40 seats or so really.

scroll to bottom - there are 4 planes with 40-60 odd seats

Cookiemunster

billie1b wrote: »

It’s also done a good few football teams and private chartering out of Ireland and the UK. It very very very rarely shuttles staff or engineers around, the Lear jets are used for that and scheduled flights when appropriate.

It's also used for training. It's regularly in Shannon doing touch and goes.

Bummer1234

EI174 bringing the irish team to Heathrow, Soon be reversing back.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN17A/220f1c11

vicwatson

Bummer1234 wrote: »

EI174 bringing the irish team to Heathrow, Soon be reversing back.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN17A/220f1c11

Who they flying with from LHR?

Phileas Frog

vicwatson wrote: »

Who they flying with from LHR?

JAL at 7:15

finbarrk

They have arrived anyway.
https://www.irishrugby.ie/gallery/ireland-squad-arrive-in-japan/