Hybrids are for today pure electric are for tomorrow

Midster

Stop wasting your money, pure electric is a fanciful idea for today, for a start they take to long to charge, and secondly there aren’t enough charge points, lastly the manufacturers (of course) have decided not to talk to one another and all do different connections to charge the vehicle, so even if you do think ahead and find charge points along your route, chances are you will have to be extremely lucky for those charge points to have the correct connector.
Besides who wants to be waiting around eating rubbish roadside food for hours on end till you can get going again.

Go hybrid

Gumbo

Midster wrote: »

Stop wasting your money, pure electric is a fanciful idea for today, for a start they take to long to charge, and secondly there aren’t enough charge points, lastly the manufacturers (of course) have decided not to talk to one another and all do different connections to charge the vehicle, so even if you do think ahead and find charge points along your route, chances are you will have to be extremely lucky for those charge points to have the correct connector.
Besides who wants to be waiting around eating rubbish roadside food for hours on end till you can get going again.

Go hybrid

What about those of us that charge over night or during the day while sitting in work?
Never visit a chargepoint?
Cars range is within their weekly/daily needs?
There could be 7 million chargepoints in the country and I’d never need one.

So many wrongs in your post. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.

KCross

Toyota mechanic is my guess!

elperello

I'd say hybrids and plug in hybrids will suit a lot of people who are not ready to commit to full EVs.
As outlined above there are some who are happy to move to EVs now.
One thing I agree with you on is the rubbish roadside food.
Hanging around those soulless motorway service stations would be a negative for me.

eddhorse

Troll Thread

n97 mini

KCross wrote: »

Toyota mechanic is my guess!

Employee or shareholder. Probably employee I'm guessing.

Silent Running

Akio Toyoda... is that you?

NIMAN

I have owned a pure EV for 2 years, admittedly not as long as some.

In that time I think I have used the public charging network about 7 or 8 times.
2 of these were when bringing the car back from the UK. Admittedly I did have a cup of coffee while waiting on one of these.

A couple was at a city charger when we were going shopping for a few hours. We didn't go shopping because we were charging, but the opposite.

And a few at the local cinema. Again, we were going to the cinema, so the free fuel was a bonus.

All these were free. Rest of my charging done at home or more recently using my work charger, again I'm not spending anything here.

I would agree with you that if you are thinking of buying an EV and have to rely on the public charging network as it stands today, maybe EVs aren't for you.

But if you have somewhere to put a home chargepoint (which will be free with the grant of €600), and don't commute huge distances, then you could live with an EV quite easily.

But I think you have your mind made up already. Or else are just trolling.

JohnC.

Midster wrote: »

the manufacturers (of course) have decided not to talk to one another and all do different connections to charge the vehicle

Can you tell us more about this? Or maybe just admit you don't know what you're talking about?

NIMAN

I suspect Midster might not be seen again on this thread.

Midster

Midster wrote: »

Stop wasting your money, pure electric is a fanciful idea for today, for a start they take to long to charge, and secondly there aren’t enough charge points, lastly the manufacturers (of course) have decided not to talk to one another and all do different connections to charge the vehicle, so even if you do think ahead and find charge points along your route, chances are you will have to be extremely lucky for those charge points to have the correct connector.
Besides who wants to be waiting around eating rubbish roadside food for hours on end till you can get going again.

Go hybrid

I have to agree with "some" of your points highlighted in Blue.

I drove a Nissan Leaf for almost 3 years and 85,000 kms and would not go back to battery only in a hurry given the dismal charging infrastructure we have, potentially waiting 2 hrs for a charge......

manufacturers should have went the route of BMW with the i3 Rex, big battery , small petrol generator as an option, if Nissan had done this in the beginning they would have sold much more Leafs.

The longer I have the Rex the more I appreciate it, that is , when I need it.

There are some BEV only owners here who will never admit the charging situation is shameful and will say " you will charge at home most of the time" which is true by the way , or in my case I charge at work most of the time with free electricity, but, most of the time is all well and good until I find a Kona 64 Kwh driver or Tesla Model S P100 D charging, or a Kona charging and a P100D waiting and when I "need" to charge I can't or will just fire up the Rex and continue. The Kona driver waiting longer than ever as they want to fill up more of that 64 Kwh to 80 % as possible as 80% is embedded in the minds of EV drivers as the accepted max for fast charging no matter the battery size.

Sometimes and most of the time is not good enough, I accepted it in 2015 but not today, there isn't a single new charging site from the ESB since 2015 when I got the Leaf, I had high hopes when it came time to change 3 years later, high hopes for the infrastructure and high hopes the manufacturers would finally produce more electric cars. Nissan and Renault still have only 1 EV model and 1 low range van each.

This is the reason I got the Rex 33 Kwh, up to 150-22 Kms on battery and unlimited as long as I have Petrol.

When it comes time to change in 14 months I honestly have no clue what to buy. I am not listening to my OH whinging in my ear that I should have taken her car etc when on a long drive, she is not going to tolerate waiting an hour or more and I don't blame her and having then to calm a cranky 3.5 and 5 year old who has already been in the car long enough, I've been there......

Charging at 50 Kw so called fast charging is no longer acceptable in my opinion or 20-35 Kw when the battery is cold.

With 20 million in funds promised for charging infrastructure by the Government, it still has not been released to the ESB, the Grant for insulation dried up and there was uproar, I can't see these funds released any time soon.

Ionity have 1 charging site live and one soon to come online, big deal, yeah it helps but there is still not a single CCS charger on the M9 from Newlands X to Waterford, Naas is very busy charger inaccessible with heavy traffic, it's too far off the N7.

Carlow Charger is 7 Km from the M9 , could have been put just 2 Km from the M9 Carlow/Castledermot turn off in Castledermot !

I'm p1ssed and I know this post shows it, I'm letting off steam but who could blame me ? I'm far from being anti EV but things have not progressed much at all since 2011.

krissovo

Midster wrote: »

Besides who wants to be waiting around eating rubbish roadside food for hours on end till you can get going again.

LOL, I actually got a semi decent sushi last night on my way back to Cork from Dublin at Junction 8 of the M8.

By time I took a comfort break, picked my “rubbish food” and stood in the queue behind the mugs ICE drivers paying extortionate prices for a finite resource my charge was complete and made my way home.

Midster

If the number of cars on the road today were to be replaced by pure electric cars the supply of power to charge all those cars would be a huge burden on the power stations.
The batteries in a pure electric cars are extremely expensive to replace.
And if ruptured they are also extremely dangerous to life in a crash.

Hybrids are becoming more and more efficient, burning less, and less fuel all the time.
Because the petrol/diesel motor charges the batteries you can use any fuel station.
And because the batteries are smaller they are less expensive to replace, and less hazardous to life in a crash.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

the_pen_turner

i have to agree with the op . fully electric is perfect for some people but nowhere near good enough for the rest. we need to move to hybrid first .
the grid isnt up to it yet
the no of chargers is pathetic
the charge time is too lon
the range is too low

hybrid is the way to go for a lot of people right now. we can go fully electric in time when technology matchs the needs of all drivers

corks finest

Midster wrote:

Stop wasting your money, pure electric is a fanciful idea for today, for a start they take to long to charge, and secondly there aren’t enough charge points, lastly the manufacturers (of course) have decided not to talk to one another and all do different connections to charge the vehicle, so even if you do think ahead and find charge points along your route, chances are you will have to be extremely lucky for those charge points to have the correct connector. Besides who wants to be waiting around eating rubbish roadside food for hours on end till you can get going again.

I agree as a hybrid driver for the last 5 years ,but would invest in an electric if I'd the bobs and a home charger

corks finest

Midster wrote:

Hybrids are becoming more and more efficient, burning less, and less fuel all the time. Because the petrol/diesel motor charges the batteries you can use any fuel station. And because the batteries are smaller they are less expensive to replace, and less hazardous to life in a crash.

I regularly get 60/67 mpg on a honda insight hybrid,this will go down to 50/55 wintertime but quite happy with it

Round Cable

the_pen_turner wrote: »

hybrid is the way to go for a lot of people right now. we can go fully electric in time when technology matchs the needs of all drivers

Surely people can go fully electric when the technology matches their needs only. Although 400km plus range of newer EVs would suit a pretty high percentage of the population today as it is.

the_pen_turner

Round Cable wrote: »

Surely people can go fully electric when the technology matches their needs only. Although 400km plus range of newer EVs would suit a pretty high percentage of the population today as it is.

thats what im saying. people can and will change when it make sence for them to do it.
hybrid would work for a lot more people that full electric

i doubt the percentage is high. guessing 20% down the country

Round Cable

the_pen_turner wrote: »

thats what im saying. people can and will change when it make sence for them to do it.
hybrid would work for a lot more people that full electric

i doubt the percentage is high. guessing 20% down the country

The average car in Ireland is driven less than 50km per day. I would have thought the percentage of drivers that drive more than 400km per day would be small. Even driving that much 5 days of the week would be over 100,000km per year.

the_pen_turner

Round Cable wrote: »

The average car in Ireland is driven less than 50km per day. I would have thought the percentage of drivers that drive more than 400km per day would be small. Even driving that much 5 days of the week would be over 100,000km per year.

its not purely about range. its about convenience, its abut mindset, consistant esb
, remembering to actually charge it . knowing that you can go anywhere you want without waiting for hours.
even the price of the ev cars is crazy. my mother was looking into it. it would cost her stupid money to buy one.

most people arnt ready for full electric

elperello

the_pen_turner wrote: »

its not purely about range. its about convenience, its abut mindset, consistant esb
, remembering to actually charge it . knowing that you can go anywhere you want without waiting for hours.
even the price of the ev cars is crazy. my mother was looking into it. it would cost her stupid money to buy one.

most people arnt ready for full electric

I get you there.
It's that kind of insecurity of knowing you can't just go out and get in the car and go.
Say if you get home from commute and battery is low and you get a call for some family emergency and need to be 100 miles away asap.
I know it doesn't happen too often but the niggle is there.

liamog

Mod Note: Closing this thread, I'm all for constructive discussion of the relative merits of each type of power train. But this thread just comes across as trolling