Activists plan to ground flights with drones

petros1980

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/29/heathrow-activists-fly-drones-attempt-ground-flights

I'm fully in agreement with increased efforts to combat climate change. I think however that these efforts should be directed towards specific policy issues rather than just general protesting with bongos and colorful flags. Extinction Rebellion shutting down roads in Central London was annoying but tolerable (as a London resident). But the likes of these activists planning to fly gangs of drones in restricted air space in Heathrow are taking the piss - disrupting peoples lives and putting people in danger. Hope they get arrested straight away and jailed for a good while. Bunch of idiots, not a job between them I'd say.

Stevieluvsye

That's the way to do it, give the authorities a good oul heads up on your plans

Fcuking scruffy smelly ****e hair cut squatters the lot of them

SusieBlue

Selfish d*ckheads with no consideration or respect for anyone else's circumstances.
I'm sympathetic to their cause, but that sympathy goes out the window when their self-indulgent, arrogant actions inconvenience and potentially endanger so many other people.

If they go through with it I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Absolute idiots.

igCorcaigh

SusieBlue wrote: »

Selfish d*ckheads with no consideration or respect for anyone else's circumstances.
I'm sympathetic to their cause, but that sympathy goes out the window when their self-indulgent, arrogant actions inconvenience and potentially endanger so many other people.

If they go through with it I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Absolute idiots.

Not endangering anyone:

"The group said the small, lightweight drones would not be flown above head height or on flight paths, and activists planned to fly them within the three-mile (5km) exclusion zone surrounding the airport."

SusieBlue

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Not endangering anyone:

"The group said the small, lightweight drones would not be flown above head height or on flight paths, and activists planned to fly them within the three-mile (5km) exclusion zone surrounding the airport."

So they say, but they're clearly a bit unhinged.
They are already crossing a boundary so what's to stop them going above head height or onto a flight path if they so wished? The potential is there. They could easily do it.
Its still endangering & inconveniencing people who are just minding their own business

biko

The activists said they would meet police and airport authorities on Friday to discuss their plans.

Good, then they can be rounded up and sent to HMP Isle of Wight

Guy:Incognito

Nothing like activists blocking roads and causing congestion with cars sitting for hours running and burning fuel as a good way to combat climate change.....

Gregor Samsa

From 13 September, we will exploit a loophole in Heathrow airport’s health and safety protocols and fly toy drones within its restricted zone

Huh? What loophole are they exploiting? They're just contravening the regulations in order to cause the stated consequences of the health and safety protocols, and expect to be punished for it in line with the regulations. That's not exploiting a loophole. If they were exploiting a loophole, they'd be getting away with it.

the_pen_turner

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Nothing like activists blocking roads and causing congestion with cars sitting for hours running and burning fuel as a good way to combat climate change.....

Or flying drones that were flown or shipped half way round the world

Overheal

I’m not fundamentally opposed to civil disobedience but this just sounds confusing and asinine. ‘We are exploiting a loophole but we are going to be arrested,’ ‘nobody will be in danger but we are intent on grounding flights’

What’s the enemy here, carbon emissions? Have they learned about utility and efficiency? Like, planes full of people getting from A to B is actually reasonably efficient travel; grounding those planes and causing planes to loiter on the ground just burns up fuel for really no benefit. These folks will all have to reschedule or divert and will fly anyway or use a less efficient means of travel.

odyssey06

Shoot them down.

* And I'm not just talking about the drones.

73bc61lyohr0mu

Why don't they go after the multinational corporations who are actually destroying this planet. The general public are an easy target. Imagine you had to fly home or somewhere for a family emergency and these clowns got your flight cancelled.

igCorcaigh

Miah Sour Satin wrote: »

Why don't they go after the multinational corporations who are actually destroying this planet. The general public are an easy target. Imagine you had to fly home or somewhere for a family emergency and these clowns got your flight cancelled.

It's a very counterproductive move.
AFAIK, this does not have support from XR, but organised by a splinter group.

weldoninhio

petros1980 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/29/heathrow-activists-fly-drones-attempt-ground-flights

I'm fully in agreement with increased efforts to combat climate change. I think however that these efforts should be directed towards specific policy issues rather than just general protesting with bongos and colorful flags. Extinction Rebellion shutting down roads in Central London was annoying but tolerable (as a London resident). But the likes of these activists planning to fly gangs of drones in restricted air space in Heathrow are taking the piss - disrupting peoples lives and putting people in danger. Hope they get arrested straight away and jailed for a good while. Bunch of idiots, not a job between them I'd say.

They should be charged with attempted murder.

Overheal

weldoninhio wrote: »

They should be charged with attempted murder.

That’s a leap.

Varik

Look up the radio chatter for air traffic control. A interaction where the possible consequences of miss communication or carelessness is huge. Countless audio and video of near misses, and of planes having to be diverted last second.

And these people are adding to that.

Cyclical Apocalypses

Fair play to them. I hope they cause massive disruption. The time for arguing about climate change is over, it's time we took action and I fully support any group that brings the public's attention to this existential threat that we all face.

Chris_Heilong

I hate activists and twitter(the tool of the fool IMO), I used to think I liked everyone but over the last few years these morons just keep doing the most stupidest of things. The world is not perfect and never will be, find religion or whatever else you are missing and abandon these feeble attempts at changing the world.

SusieBlue

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

Fair play to them. I hope they cause massive disruption. The time for arguing about climate change is over, it's time we took action and I fully support any group that brings the public's attention to this existential threat that we all face.

Inconveniencing people by costing them time and money is a sure fire way to discourage ANY cause garnering public support.

There are people who could be travelling for family emergencies whose flights will be grounded thanks to these self important idiots. They are scum.

Cyclical Apocalypses

SusieBlue wrote: »

Inconveniencing people by costing them time and money is a sure fire way to discourage ANY cause garnering public support.

There are people who could be travelling for family emergencies whose flights will be grounded thanks to these self important idiots. They are scum.

So we shouldn't do anything just because 0.1% of people travelling may need to get to a destination more quickly. Last time I checked the Eurotunnel was still in operation, so those choosing to go to holiday in Europe could always take the train hardly a major sacrifice.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Miah Sour Satin wrote: »

Why don't they go after the multinational corporations who are actually destroying this planet. The general public are an easy target. Imagine you had to fly home or somewhere for a family emergency and these clowns got your flight cancelled.

I don’t like them but not do I like this argument. Multinational companies after all produce stuff for us.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

Fair play to them. I hope they cause massive disruption. The time for arguing about climate change is over, it's time we took action and I fully support any group that brings the public's attention to this existential threat that we all face.

We are all aware of it. This wouldn’t help.

SusieBlue

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

So we shouldn't do anything just because 0.1% of people travelling may need to get to a destination more quickly. Last time I checked the Eurotunnel was still in operation, so those choosing to go to holiday in Europe could always take the train hardly a major sacrifice.

There are other methods of making a point without f*cking up the plans of thousands of innocent people.
You don't know people's individual circumstances, it might be a massive sacrifice for them.
This group causing disruption is extremely unfair on the people they will be causing massive inconvenience to, and it certainly won't endear anyone to their mission.

It smacks of self important arrogance that they even feel entitled to do such a thing.

nthclare

SusieBlue wrote: »

There are other methods of making a point without f*cking up the plans of thousands of innocent people.
You don't know people's individual circumstances, it might be a massive sacrifice for them.
This group causing disruption is extremely unfair on the people they will be causing massive inconvenience to, and it certainly won't endear anyone to their mission.

It smacks of self important arrogance that they even feel entitled to do such a thing.

That's what the sjw's and eco warriors love doing the most, manipulation of their wasteful life and spreading the ****edupism to the general public....

Narcissism of the highest order...

Are they right wing or leftards ?

petros1980

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

So we shouldn't do anything just because 0.1% of people travelling may need to get to a destination more quickly. Last time I checked the Eurotunnel was still in operation, so those choosing to go to holiday in Europe could always take the train hardly a major sacrifice.

Wise up, twat

odyssey06

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

So we shouldn't do anything just because 0.1% of people travelling may need to get to a destination more quickly. Last time I checked the Eurotunnel was still in operation, so those choosing to go to holiday in Europe could always take the train hardly a major sacrifice.

Sure just ban air travel then, sounds like it's what you want, don't hide behind weasel words.

In the real world, these clowns should be in prison.

Cyclical Apocalypses

You're right, I won't hide behind my words (not that I have ever done that) . I believe air travel over short distances should be curtailed and I find it deeply unethical that to this day. There is no tax levied against aviation fuel and believe flying is a privilege, not an absolute right, especially where there are more sustainable options available.

odyssey06

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

You're right, I won't hide behind my words (not that I have ever done that) . I believe air travel over short distances should be curtailed and I find it deeply unethical that to this day. There is no tax levied against aviation fuel and believe flying is a privilege, not an absolute right, especially where there are more sustainable options available.

The activists if they cause disruption will disrupt all flights, there will be no discrimination on destination. Your comments about the train are neither here nor there in relation to this protest.

These kind of antics are far beyond unethical, they are dangerous, reckless and immoral and should be responded to as such by the police and security services.

Cyclical Apocalypses

odyssey06 wrote: »

The activists if they cause disruption will disrupt all flights, there will be no discrimination on destination. Your comments about the train are neither here nor there in relation to this protest.

These kind of antics are far beyond unethical, they are dangerous, reckless and immoral and should be responded to as such by the police and security services.

What's wrong with a temporary disruption to all of the flights? I highly doubt anyone will die as a result, and my comments about taking the train are perfectly relevant as that's an option that will remain open for those who absolutely need to travel to Europe for some reason.

nthclare

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

You're right, I won't hide behind my words (not that I have ever done that) . I believe air travel over short distances should be curtailed and I find it deeply unethical that to this day. There is no tax levied against aviation fuel and believe flying is a privilege, not an absolute right, especially where there are more sustainable options available.

I suppose you're not one of those eco surfer's who's no problem flying to Indonesia for sunning your hole in November..

I've come across a few of those knobs...

But they've always an excuse....

Beechwoodspark

Although I am fully behind a campaign to wind down the aviation industry and especially wind down Dublin airport I think using drones is completely unsafe and not to be supported.

odyssey06

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

What's wrong with a temporary disruption to all of the flights? I highly doubt anyone will die as a result, and my comments about taking the train are perfectly relevant as that's an option that will remain open for those who absolutely need to travel to Europe for some reason.

And people flying further afield, let them eat cake? Your train and ferry comment is up there with that.

I don't know on what basis I need to call out what's wrong with disrupting the lives of thousands of other people in a vanity stunt. If it has not already occurred to you why this is wrong, you probably need to look in the mirror.

So let's flip it and say what's wrong with temporary disruption to the liberty of dangerous terrorists?
That's what these cretins are.

Your "I highly doubt anyone will die as a result" should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
If the police crack down on these terrorists, you'll have to hope "I highly doubt anyone will die as a result" applies to them too.

Cyclical Apocalypses

nthclare wrote: »

I suppose you're not one of those eco surfer's who's no problem flying to Indonesia for sunning your hole in November..

I've come across a few of those knobs...

But they've always an excuse....

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a hypocrite. I don't go to England or the continent that often, but when I do I always take the most eco-friendly way possible. So from here. That means a train to Dublin, then catch the boat and then more trains until I get to my destination.

SusieBlue

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

What's wrong with a temporary disruption to all of the flights? I highly doubt anyone will die as a result, and my comments about taking the train are perfectly relevant as that's an option that will remain open for those who absolutely need to travel to Europe for some reason.

Perhaps try to think of it from the perspective of people who will be effected, instead of the self interested point of view you currently hold.

FWIW I know of a couple who were travelling to Portugal to get married the last time these gobsh*tes were up to their antics.
They arrived the week before, so they were fine. But easily 50% of the guests, who were travelling a day or two beforehand, missed the wedding due to their flights being grounded and not being able to come up with an alternative route in time. The brides sister & bridesmaid and the grooms grandparents were among those who missed the special day.

Their wedding was ruined, the bride spent most of the day crying, not to mention the expense of paying for a reception party of which half the guests were missing.

But what's wrong with a temporory disruption to flights, amirite?

Overheal

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

You're right, I won't hide behind my words (not that I have ever done that) . I believe air travel over short distances should be curtailed and I find it deeply unethical that to this day. There is no tax levied against aviation fuel and believe flying is a privilege, not an absolute right, especially where there are more sustainable options available.

Well Ireland doesn't exactly have any way for people to drive to and from it... an aviation fuel tax is a tax on all tourism in and out, imports, and exports. UK is only a slightly better situation with shorter ferry routes and the euro-tunnel to the mainland.

Cyclical Apocalypses

SusieBlue wrote: »

Perhaps try to think of it from the perspective of people who will be effected, instead of the self interested point of view you currently hold.

FWIW I know of a couple who were travelling to Portugal to get married the last time these gobsh*tes were up to their antics.
They arrived the week before, so they were fine. But easily 50% of the guests, including the brides sister/bridesmaid & grooms grandparents missed the wedding due to their flights being grounded and not being able to come up with an alternative route in time.

Their wedding was ruined, the bride spent most of the day crying, not to mention the expense of paying for a reception party of which half the guests were missing.

But what's wrong with a temporory disruption to flights, amirite?

I do think of others and care probably a bit too much. But anyway, I don't believe it's right for the environment to be permanently damaged just to fulfil people's wants and make no mistake, the vast majority of people flying on a day-to-day basis are doing it because they want to, not because it's life or death if they don't.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. It must have been terrible for half the guests to be missing. And I bet they had to pay regardless. But why couldn't they have got married at home? Perhaps they would have had to have had a slightly smaller event, but in a few years who will really care about that.

TheChizler

The fact they're starting at 3 am the first day makes me wonder if they're only planning on doing it during periods where there are no scheduled flights (something like from half 11 to 7 am)? If that's the case maybe there will be very little disruption. Or maybe they plan on doing it at any time, the article doesn't specify.

Sonny noggs

Hope they don’t ground any plane that yer wan Greta is on. Wouldn’t do for her to miss an important meeting.

Beechwoodspark

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Hope they don’t ground any plane that yer wan Greta is on. Wouldn’t do for her to miss an important meeting.

Greta is a hero.

Sonny noggs

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Greta is a hero.

Exactly. The last think the world needs is her flight being delayed.

nthclare

Cyclical Apocalypses wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a hypocrite. I don't go to England or the continent that often, but when I do I always take the most eco-friendly way possible. So from here. That means a train to Dublin, then catch the boat and then more trains until I get to my destination.

Sorry but you're a hypocrite, the train by proxy is generating a lot of waste....

Walking might be better for you...

Oops someone knocked them off their roost, fly with the crows and you'll get shot

is_that_so

igCorcaigh wrote: »

It's a very counterproductive move.
AFAIK, this does not have support from XR, but organised by a splinter group.

Ah the splinter groups already!:D

Beechwoodspark

If ppl are interested this is my partial solution

Flat tax on all air fares(50 euro on existing fares seems to be sweet spot)
Tax on the airlines
Tax on the daa and other airports
Absolutely no new routes and reduce the existing routes into Dublin
Green tax on income

Happy to cut taxes once carbon neutral aviation solution is introduced.

greencap

petros1980 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/29/heathrow-activists-fly-drones-attempt-ground-flights

I'm fully in agreement with increased efforts to combat climate change. I think however that these efforts should be directed towards specific policy issues rather than just general protesting with bongos and colorful flags. Extinction Rebellion shutting down roads in Central London was annoying but tolerable (as a London resident). But the likes of these activists planning to fly gangs of drones in restricted air space in Heathrow are taking the piss - disrupting peoples lives and putting people in danger. Hope they get arrested straight away and jailed for a good while. Bunch of idiots, not a job between them I'd say.

its okay though cause im not flying any time soon.

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Franz Von Peppercorn II

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If ppl are interested this is my partial solution

Flat tax on all air fares(50 euro on existing fares seems to be sweet spot)
Tax on the airlines
Tax on the daa and other airports
Absolutely no new routes and reduce the existing routes into Dublin
Green tax on income

Happy to cut taxes once carbon neutral aviation solution is introduced.

50 euro isn’t going to change much and unless these taxes are ringfenced they are not going to do much for green tech.

Beechwoodspark

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

50 euro isn’t going to change much and unless these taxes are ringfenced they are not going to do much for green tech.

It will make ppl think twice about frivolous flights booked on a whim

is_that_so

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It will make ppl think twice about frivolous flights booked on a whim

How does one distinguish between a frivolous and non-frivolous flight?

Beechwoodspark

is_that_so wrote: »

How does one distinguish between a frivolous and non-frivolous flight?

The 50 added on top of the fare will make ppl think twice.

is_that_so

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The 50 added on top of the fare will make ppl think twice.

It will affect people coming in as well but that's only frivolous tourism!

Beechwoodspark

is_that_so wrote: »

It will affect people coming in as well but that's only frivolous tourism!

I don’t think you realise how serious the climate emergency is

is_that_so

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I don’t think you realise how serious the climate emergency is

I don't think you realise the real world effects of your plan.