Dundalk getting City status

dave 27

Just looking at a few things online about the likes of Dundalk and possibly Drogheda getting city status,

https://www.dundalk.ie/invest-in-dundalk/area-profile

How likely is this and what if any will be first to become a city? Possibly Dundalk as county town? I was quite impressed with all the housing developments going on in the outskirts of Dundalk and also from the applications going in.

What are the locals views on this?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Congratulations on the misleading headline of the week.

jesus_thats_gre

dave 27 wrote: »

Just looking at a few things online about the likes of Dundalk and possibly Drogheda getting city status,

Hence known as the Greater Dundalk Conurbation

dave 27

Has there been much talk about the idea on any radio stations or papers? its a probability that in the next census the population should certainly reflect something that resembles the size of a small city?

IvoryTower

Drogheda has been the size of waterford for years, possibly bigger at this stage, I wouldn't hold my breath for city status

joeysoap

Dundalk is nowhere resembling a city. I say that as a local.

C’mon the town.

antix80

What do you mean by city, op? By most standards Dundalk is already a city although the fact its now run at county level dents our chances a bit. I think the main problem of Dundalk being "designated" a city is that there are another dozen towns that would also want city status.

I agree with Srameen, not sure if your op title is meant to be clickbait or if its just clumsy wording.

Scotty #

I've never really understood why these towns are so eager to have city status. What are the benefits? Or is it purely a 'status symbol'?

is_that_so

Scotty # wrote: »

I've never really understood why these towns are so eager to have city status. What are the benefits? Or is it purely a 'status symbol'?

More status than anything and good tourism PR. The boundary review should have gone Drogheda's way on so many grounds and that would have boosted it to 50K and beyond and a prime candidate to be granted city status.

dave 27

antix80 wrote: »

What do you mean by city, op? By most standards Dundalk is already a city although the fact its now run at county level dents our chances a bit. I think the main problem of Dundalk being "designated" a city is that there are another dozen towns that would also want city status.

I agree with Srameen, not sure if your op title is meant to be clickbait or if its just clumsy wording.

By City I mean have a serious debate whether Dundalk wants to become a city in the near future. A town getting city status will boost tourism and its identity across the country, not to mention possible knock on effects like higher number of jobs from IDA as it is a centre of importance, better funding etc.

I apologise about the heading, it wasn't intended on being click bait!

Im not sure what the boundary situation is but it may need to be looked at/increased to take in the greater population to acknowledge the true population.

Limerick's boundary had been stuck for decades in the same position, when it was recently changes it literally doubled in population taking in its growing suburbs, it may not be an issue for Dundalk but certainly it has a lot of grounds and reason for city status.

Does it get talked about much in local media?

antix80

dave 27 wrote: »

Does it get talked about much in local media?

No. It was talked about years ago when Newry was ceremonially promoted to city status but the mechanism would be different in the Republic of Ireland.

Every so often when DKIT is looking for more funding they talk about becoming a university and this will allow the town to become a city. Apparently.

I'm not sure we really have a mechanism to designate cities. We inherited the cities Britain kindly returned to us as cities, and hobbled together some legislation around those facts that ended up with Kilkenny being described as a city because Phil Hogan said so. (per wikipedia)

Padre_Pio

What are the locals going to say, now they can't say "hup the town!"

joeysoap

Need to decent hospital services first.

Ireland has 5 cities ( leaving out big Phil’s Kilkenny, though it does have a hospital) and all have respectable hospitals. Dundalk hasn’t. It had once but not for some time.

Newry was made a City because of the Northern situation (England, Scotland, Wales each got a new city to celebrate the queens 50th jubilee in 2002 (or something) and Northern Ireland being Northern Ireland had to get 2. One for me and one for you. Newry is no more a ‘ real’ city than Athlone, Sligo or Navan.

* Preston ( England) Stirling (Scotland) Newport (Wales) and Lisburn and Newry. ( one each )

locum-motion

antix80 wrote: »

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Every so often when DKIT is looking for more funding they talk about becoming a university and this will allow the town to become a city. Apparently.

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Every now and again, people trot out this 'definition' of a city as being a place that has a university and a cathedral.

A. That's Bull5hit.
B. Dundalk does't have a cathedral either!

antix80

locum-motion wrote: »

Every now and again, people trot out this 'definition' of a city as being a place that has a university and a cathedral.

A. That's Bull5hit.
B. Dundalk does't have a cathedral either!

You forgot hospital.. I read it in a thread on boards.

I think it should also have a duck tour and an Ethiopian restaurant.

tayto lover

locum-motion wrote: »

Every now and again, people trot out this 'definition' of a city as being a place that has a university and a cathedral.

A. That's Bull5hit.
B. Dundalk does't have a cathedral either!

Dundalk has a fine cathedral.

antix80

tayto lover wrote: »

Dundalk has a fine cathedral.

Nah.. the bishop moved out and Fr Mark took it over.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

locum-motion wrote: »

Every now and again, people trot out this 'definition' of a city as being a place that has a university and a cathedral.

A. That's Bull5hit.
B. Dundalk does't have a cathedral either!

St. Patrick's in Dundalk is a cathedral. It was designated such when it held the cathedra of Cardinal Conway, who lived in Dundalk at the time. Wiki incorrectly refers to it as a pro-cathedral.

joeysoap

locum-motion wrote: »

Every now and again, people trot out this 'definition' of a city as being a place that has a university and a cathedral.

A. That's Bull5hit.
B. Dundalk does't have a cathedral either!

A) it is bull ****
B ) it certainly has ,(Dublin has only one, minority religion) anyway it’s more bull****.



Dundalk is not a city. Full stop.


C’mon the town

locum-motion

tayto lover wrote: »

Dundalk has a fine cathedral.

Really? Where?

You're not referring to the Church of St. Patrick, are you?

Or perhaps you know better than the Archdiocese as to what it actually is?

locum-motion

Mckenzie Strong Boar wrote: »

St. Patrick's in Dundalk is a cathedral. It was designated such when it held the cathedra of Cardinal Conway, who lived in Dundalk at the time. Wiki incorrectly refers to it as a pro-cathedral.

May have been in the past, but no longer.

locum-motion

antix80 wrote: »

... a duck tour ...

Yeah!!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

locum-motion wrote: »

May have been in the past, but no longer.

It was never relegated and remains with the bishop of Armagh as the designated parish priest. Not that it matters, as having a cathedral is not a requirement for city status anyway.

antix80

Mckenzie Strong Boar wrote: »

It was never relegated and remains with the bishop of Armagh as the designated parish priest. Not that it matters, as having a cathedral is not a requirement for city status anyway.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/argus/news/archbishop-no-longer-pp-of-st-patricks-parish-37167714.html

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

antix80 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/argus/news/archbishop-no-longer-pp-of-st-patricks-parish-37167714.html

Thank you. That is indeed news to me. I stand corrected.

10green bottles

Q?

Is a pro-cathedral better than an amateur cathedral?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

10green bottles wrote: »

Q?

Is a pro-cathedral better than an amateur cathedral?

Absolutely. Bigger collections on the plate.