Racism

David290990

Do you think Racism exists in this country? I think employers dont want to select foreigners who have good experience (but may not speak fluent english) and they are interested to select Irish which have less experience

Sonny noggs

No offence but that is rubbish. In my office more than 2 / 3 of my colleagues are foreigners, lots of foreigner colleagues in previous jobs also.

If you don’t have fluent or near fluent English then you are far less likely to get a job as most jobs require interaction with others - either customers or colleagues, which requires good English.

Lots of foreigners have excellent English, if your English isn’t up to scratch then do something about it instead of coming on here talking about racism.

Ursus Horribilis

If your English is poor, then you should make it your business to improve it. If people struggle to understand you, your communication skills are poor or your written English isn't up to scratch, why should anyone employ you? While people having skills in certain areas is important, so too is the ability to communicate. There is nothing worse than trying to deal with somebody whose English is so indistinct, you have to strain to try and understand them. I'd say the very same thing if someone with an impenetrable Cork or Kerry accent had similar problems.

It appears to be an issue if you're complaining about less skilled people getting jobs ahead of you. Instead of reaching for the racism card, why not ask yourself what you can do to make yourself more marketable. You're not going to be a good advertisement for yourself or for prospective employers if you don't have fluent English .

David290990

Sonny noggs wrote: »

No offence but that is rubbish. In my office more than 2 / 3 of my colleagues are foreigners, lots of foreigner colleagues in previous jobs also.

If you don’t have fluent or near fluent English then you are far less likely to get a job as most jobs require interaction with others - either customers or colleagues, which requires good English.

Lots of foreigners have excellent English, if your English isn’t up to scratch then do something about it instead of coming on here talking about racism.

Iam not talking about high managerial posts that requires Fluent English,but why dont they even respond to resumes even for a cleaning jobs atleast

David290990

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

If your English is poor, then you should make it your business to improve it. If people struggle to understand you, your communication skills are poor or your written English isn't up to scratch, why should anyone employ you? While people having skills in certain areas is important, so too is the ability to communicate. There is nothing worse than trying to deal with somebody whose English is so indistinct, you have to strain to try and understand them. I'd say the very same thing if someone with an impenetrable Cork or Kerry accent had similar problems.

It appears to be an issue if you're complaining about less skilled people getting jobs ahead of you. Instead of reaching for the racism card, why not ask yourself what you can do to make yourself more marketable. You're not going to be a good advertisement for yourself or for prospective employers if you don't have fluent English .

The only way to improve english is to meet more people and I think workplaces play a great role in it.Then why could they employ a person who atleast speak a medium level english ,so that he can improve his communication skills thereby.

By the way Iam new here in Ireland. whats the Problem with cork and Kerry Accent

Ursus Horribilis

Who is having this problem? Or are you just talking in general?

David290990

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Who is having this problem?

May be its me I guess

Franz Von Peppercorn II

David290990 wrote: »

Iam not talking about high managerial posts that requires Fluent English,but why dont they even respond to resumes even for a cleaning jobs atleast

I haven’t met an Irish cleaner for a decade.

David290990

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Who is having this problem? Or are you just talking in general?

I know every country wants their people to be employed . But still I would like know does these things exists .I personally and many have gone through this Problem

David290990

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

I haven’t met an Irish cleaner for a decade.

They dont want to do a cleaner Job I guess. They are getting more unemployment pay than that in a week
.May be because of that

Ursus Horribilis

What sort of jobs are you hoping to apply for?

I hate to say it but if your everyday written English is as poor as it is on this forum, I wouldn't employ you either.

David290990

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

What sort of jobs are you hoping to apply for?

I hate to say it but if your everyday written English is as poor as it is on this forum, I wouldn't employ you either.

In what way is my everyday english poor as it on this forum .Could you correct my grammer Professor

Addle

Poor communication skills + bad attitude = no job.

David290990

Addle wrote: »

Poor communication skills + bad attitude = no job.

But how do employers know we dont have enough communication skills and bad attitude without even doing an interview

Sonny noggs

David290990 wrote: »

In what way is my everyday english poor as it on this forum .Could you correct my grammer Professor

Are you applying by CV with cover letter etc?

If so, consider getting a native / fluent English speaker to review.

Sonny noggs

David290990 wrote: »

But how do employers know we dont have enough communication skills and bad attitude without even doing an interview

Your CV?

David290990

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Are you applying by CV with cover letter etc?

If so, consider getting a native / fluent English speaker to review.

Yes actually I made a cover letter with the help of a english speaker and I made a professional CV which I believe is good

Sonny noggs

David290990 wrote: »

Yes actually I made a cover letter with the help of a english speaker and I made a professional CV which I believe is good

Fair enough. Does your CV or cover letter clearly state that you are entitled to work in Ireland?

You generally need a work permit if you are from outside the EU for example. There are some exceptions e.g. if studying you can work part time.

David290990

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Fair enough. Does your CV or cover letter clearly state that you are entitled to work in Ireland?

You generally need a work permit if you are from outside the EU for example. There are some exceptions e.g. if studying you can work part time.

Yes My CV states that I have a Valid Work Permit to work here

David290990

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Fair enough. Does your CV or cover letter clearly state that you are entitled to work in Ireland?

You generally need a work permit if you are from outside the EU for example. There are some exceptions e.g. if studying you can work part time.

I wish everyone replied here would be like you instead of being "I hate to say it but if your everyday written English is as poor as it is on this forum, I wouldn't employ you either" type of person

beauf

David290990 wrote: »

...but why dont they even respond to resumes even for a cleaning jobs at least...

Because it's become normal not to reply to unsuccessful CVs these days. They do that to everyone.

If there are 10 jobs and 500 apply. 490 will not get replies.

David290990

beauf wrote: »

Because it's become normal not to reply to unsuccessful CVs these days. They do that to everyone.

If there are 10 jobs and 500 apply. 490 will not get replies.

Oh is it ?? but it happens to me everytime.Sorry Iam depressed out of this.

Ursus Horribilis

David290990 wrote: »

I wish everyone replied here would be like you instead of being "I hate to say it but if your everyday written English is as poor as it is on this forum, I wouldn't employ you either" type of person

What did you want me to say? If your job application came in across my desk, strewn with the spelling, punctuating and grammar errors I see here, I'd bin it on the spot. I've highlighted an issue that may be holding you back. If you don't believe me, paste your posts into a good English language word processing program. Or install Grammarly in your browser.

The negative way you responded isn't helping you either. It's not an employer's job to fix your problems, harsh and all as it sounds. If your spoken English is poor, no employer is going to indulge you while you get up to speed. You need to find other ways to practice your English.

Rubberchikken

we have pkenty of irish people doing housekeeping in our business.

regardless of nationality, immigrants should make a good effort to learn the language of the country they have chosen to come to.

and yes there are difficult to understand regional accents in this country that even other irish people find problematic.

David290990

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

What did you want me to say? If your job application came in across my desk, strewn with the spelling, punctuating and grammar errors I see here, I'd bin it on the spot. I've highlighted an issue that may be holding you back. If you don't believe me, paste your posts into a good English language word processing program. Or install Grammarly in your browser.

The negative way you responded isn't helping you either. It's not an employer's job to fix your problems, harsh and all as it sounds. If your spoken English is poor, no employer is going to indulge you while you get up to speed. You need to find other ways to practice your English.

I believe english is a medium to communicate and Iam not behind jobs that require punctuations,grammar and spelling accuracy and one more thing speaking english doesnt mean everything.If speaking english was everything there wont be much queues in the Post office for collecting unemployment benefits .

David290990

Rubberchikken wrote: »

we have pkenty of irish people doing housekeeping in our business.

regardless of nationality, immigrants should make a good effort to learn the language of the country they have chosen to come to.

and yes there are difficult to understand regional accents in this country that even other irish people find problematic.

Yes I know that and Iam trying for that.But you know no foreigner wont be able to speak like Irish and I dont want to imitate any fake accents .

Yeah I find it difficult to understand what some people speaks ,may be because of regional accents

Collie D

I don’t think your English is terrible but could definitely use some improvement. But your attitude is a bit crap.

David290990

Collie D wrote: »

I don’t think your English is terrible but could definitely use some improvement. But your attitude is a bit crap.

Oh Thank you,but i have a good attitude and my real attitude is not like what I do in Forum which u find as a crap
What made be behave like a crap is a response from a English Professorr....

Collie D

David290990 wrote: »

Oh Thank you,but i have a good attitude and my real attitude is not like what I do in Forum which u find as a crap
What made be behave like a crap is a response from a English Professorr....

The fact you instantly played the race card does you no favours at all. It marks you out as someone likely to cause issues where there are none or as someone who feels entitled. It also makes it harder for people with genuine grievances to be taken seriously.

Sorry if that’s a bit personal but it’s my initial impression and interviews are all about initial impressions.

Good luck with the job hunt though.

beauf

Best way, most successful way, to get job is through friends family and Colleagues who know you are a good work and can recommend you for a job. It's called networking. Before you send CV ask everyone you know about a job.

Lots of Irish get jobs all over the world not knowing the language. I certainly did. I never had a spelling test to get them either.

Yellow pack crisps

Might be relevant or not. Does your visa allow you to work legally 20 plus hours per week? Down your student visa stop you working certain times of the day? I know that’s a big problem with low level jobs like. Leaning etc, sometimes it’s the 20 hours per week or the inflexibility of working around school times. Best of luck anyway.

wiggle16

David290990 wrote: »

If speaking english was everything there wont be much queues in the Post office for collecting unemployment benefits .

Ah, it always comes out sooner or later.

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