Ewe Lamb and Hoggett trade.

Lambman

Some average kkman well done. What breed were they?

kk.man

Lambman wrote: »

Some average kkman well done. What breed were they?

Manly Borris types.

charolais0153

kk.man wrote: »

I haven't done my sums exactly yet but sold the last of my ewe hoggets this week. It would appear I averaged 170 euros for them. I am mighty happy especially given beef at where it's at.

Are their replacements going to b any dearer this year, some big money paid for sheep this year the kind spring in 2019 makes the 2018 forgettable hah

kk.man

charolais0153 wrote: »

kk.man wrote: »

I haven't done my sums exactly yet but sold the last of my ewe hoggets this week. It would appear I averaged 170 euros for them. I am mighty happy especially given beef at where it's at.

Are their replacements going to b any dearer this year, some big money paid for sheep this year the kind spring in 2019 makes the 2018 forgettable hah

That's the question alright. Good ewe lambs on fire.

Lambman

Good money being paid for the borris ewes every wear it seems. See a lot off men trying till source good cheviot rams aswell so more men jumping on the bandwagon.

Western Pomise

You have to be careful when buying nice quality ewe lambs and hoggetts as some fellas have them eating nuts all Summer along with their grass intake.
They look like massive sheep in Mart but have unfair advantage over stock raised under ‘normal’ conditions in pens beside them.The unsuspecting buyer often gives top dollar for them only to witness them lose condition while out with the ram.

Western Pomise

You have to be careful when buying nice quality ewe lambs and hoggetts as some fellas have them eating nuts all Summer along with their grass intake.
They look like massive sheep in Mart but have unfair advantage over stock raised under ‘normal’ conditions in pens beside them.The unsuspecting buyer often gives top dollar for them only to witness them lose condition while out with the ram.

Western Pomise

You have to be careful when buying nice quality ewe lambs and hoggetts as some fellas have them eating nuts all Summer along with their grass intake.
They look like massive sheep in Mart but have unfair advantage over stock raised under ‘normal’ conditions in pens beside them.The unsuspecting buyer often gives top dollar for them only to witness them lose condition while out with the ram.

Western Pomise

You have to be careful when buying nice quality ewe lambs and hoggetts as some fellas have them eating nuts all Summer along with their grass intake.
They look like massive sheep in Mart but have unfair advantage over stock raised under ‘normal’ conditions in pens beside them.The unsuspecting buyer often gives top dollar for them only to witness them lose condition while out with the ram.

Western Pomise

You have to be careful when buying nice quality ewe lambs and hoggetts as some fellas have them eating nuts all Summer along with their grass intake.
They look like massive sheep in Mart but have unfair advantage over stock raised under ‘normal’ conditions in pens beside them.The unsuspecting buyer often gives top dollar for them only to witness them lose condition while out with the ram.

Western Pomise

Sorry for multiple posts.

kk.man

Lambman wrote: »

Good money being paid for the borris ewes every wear it seems. See a lot off men trying till source good cheviot rams aswell so more men jumping on the bandwagon.

It's the other way around the cheviot ewe and the suffock ram.

kk.man

I agree with hoggets being fed. They are certain sales I won't go to as my hoggets look small in comparison and I tell you mine are big and no way do them hoggets get that on grass alone. Those sales devalue my sheep but anyone buying mine they are getting genuine ewes.

Lambman

Seen it up here aswell even the show and sale the twat off a judge give 1st prize lambs till a pen off 6 purebred texel ewe lambs that obviously had been fed from they were born say the man that bought them won't recognize them in a month unless he keeps pumping them with nuts.

Albert Johnson

Western Pomise wrote: »

You have to be careful when buying nice quality ewe lambs and hoggetts as some fellas have them eating nuts all Summer along with their grass intake.
They look like massive sheep in Mart but have unfair advantage over stock raised under ‘normal’ conditions in pens beside them.The unsuspecting buyer often gives top dollar for them only to witness them lose condition while out with the ram.

This is something that's becoming more and more common in especially with lads that only run ewe lambs to sell as hogget's. I see a few lads locally that feed meal all summer to have the "best" pen come sale day, there's troughs thrown in the rushes and in backward spot's to try and hide the fact there getting feeding. I seen the dearest pen of hogget's from a recent sale and them inside the gate the following day roaring despite being assured they weren't being fed prior to sale. There's plenty of genuine stock about but there are some lads that have it all setup, lots of polling going on to achieve something stand out for the sales reports and offloading them afterwards to someone else for less it they get stuck with them.

Ard_MC

Albert Johnson wrote: »

This is something that's becoming more and more common in especially with lads that only run ewe lambs to sell as hogget's. I see a few lads locally that feed meal all summer to have the "best" pen come sale day, there's troughs thrown in the rushes and in backward spot's to try and hide the fact there getting feeding. I seen the dearest pen of hogget's from a recent sale and them inside the gate the following day roaring despite being assured they weren't being fed prior to sale. There's plenty of genuine stock about but there are some lads that have it all setup, lots of polling going on to achieve something stand out for the sales reports and offloading them afterwards to someone else for less it they get stuck with them.

Hogget trade must be coming like the ram trade so!

Dinzee Conlee

Ard_MC wrote: »

Hogget trade must be coming like the ram trade so!

I can only speak for myself, and I buy a few ewe lambs and sell as hoggets.

I don’t know if the feeding with ration is wholesale, I certainly don’t do it, for the simple reason that I am not sure it would pay.

On a year like this, with good prices - maybe it would. But 2 years ago, prices were poor, if you had put a few bags of ration into hoggets, you wouldn’t be long losing money...

But - like I say, I can only speak for definite for what happens on my own farm...

Albert Johnson

I'm not attempting to tar all hogget producer's with the one brush, the majority of sheep I see offered for sale are grass fed and genuine. Of course feeding meal is an extra cost and a gamble that may or may not pay off. It's often easy enough to recognize stock that have been well pumped up before sale and the ultimate decision is with the buyer.

As with the ram and bull trade I see plenty of lads that buy a bigger heavier type simply because if he's bigger he must be better despite the fact that it's taken plenty of feeding to achieve this advantage. There then left wondering when the beast in question melts without further feeding and blame the seller. If lads keep buying pumped up stock then of course breeders will produce them, bigger isn't always better imo. Having said that it a lot depends on whether you want a functional beast or the dearest one in the sale​.

Lambman

I believe a lot off the bigger prices paid for hoggets heavy well fed hoggets are being paid by purebred men for ET. I know a local man that paid €230 for the cheviot x Suffolk hoggets till carry ET as there a big roomy ewe with milk which is what they want.

thelegend1979

The practice of feeding breeding females is widespread. Local show and sale for speckled and suffolk ewe lambs and hoggets on Saturday saw the first prize speckled ewe lambs goin to plain texel ewe lambs that were clearly creep fed. Only made 110 but the owner was delighted.

Dinzee Conlee

thelegend1979 wrote: »

The practice of feeding breeding females is widespread. Local show and sale for speckled and suffolk ewe lambs and hoggets on Saturday saw the first prize speckled ewe lambs goin to plain texel ewe lambs that were clearly creep fed. Only made 110 but the owner was delighted.

Where was that if you dont mind me asking? And who / what society awarded first prize?

Creeping lambs, if you want to bred them that year, I can see some sense in it. But there is a tipping point at which its loss making surely...

Feeding hog ration, to drive them on - I don't see how it could be worth it.

But, maybe I need to change my system, start buying more ration, spend more...
Spend money to make money, isn't that it :rolleyes:

thelegend1979

Mountbellew mart show and sale

Sheep breeder

Lambman wrote: »

I believe a lot off the bigger prices paid for hoggets heavy well fed hoggets are being paid by purebred men for ET. I know a local man that paid €230 for the cheviot x Suffolk hoggets till carry ET as there a big roomy ewe with milk which is what they want.

Not to many lads using that cross for ET work, due to chances of getting out a live lamb and lack of milk, the zwarble cross or a hilltex is more suitable and won’t have a monster of single lamb,

Lambman

Never seen anyone using a hilltex ewe for ET up this way... It's always big Suffolk x ewes they seem till go for.. in my experience it's alot easier till lamb a Suffolk x ewe than a hilltex slot easier in fact twice the room till work inside them.

White Clover

Would many people here feed ewe lambs to get them to breeding weight? I refuse to do it. Any that can't make the weight by late October off grass get the road.

wrangler

White Clover wrote: »

Would many people here feed ewe lambs to get them to breeding weight? I refuse to do it. Any that can't make the weight by late October off grass get the road.

We use Lleyn cross here mature weight 70kg so using teagasc guide of 60% of mature weight 42kg is easily reached
We have a ewe here that was served at 35kg as a ewe lamb and then had one lamb as a yearling and then two lambs at a two year old and still only 55kg so size means nothing. As I said before barren ewe lambs are nearly always the heaviest ewe lambs........ wouldn't do it again though, she just got through