Have you taken PED's and if so, why?

MSGSM

Not a bashing thread. I'm not going to go all hollier than thou on anyone but I'm just wondering the reasons behind anyone taking a performance enhancing drug.
I personally have never taken them and never will.

Was it for competing? Due to not liking how you looked? You didn't see a downside? Etc etc

The chan chan man

No. I wish I had the balls to though just to see the results!

I have young kids though and don’t fancy a heart attack in my 40s

Mellor

MSGSM wrote: »

I personally have never taken them and never will.

Why would not never take them? Do you compete in a sport? Is it tested?

Just trying to see where you coming from. “PEDs” sometimes has a different implication to simply saying “steroids”.

Mike9832

The chan chan man wrote: »

No. I wish I had the balls to though just to see the results!

I have young kids though and don’t fancy a heart attack in my 40s

Think alot of that is scaremongoring

If you took a few paracetamols a day , every day you'd probably have a higher chance of side effects like heart attack etc than mild steriods like a few tabs of Anavar.

Most people with good physiques/strength don't even take roids, just on natural occuring hormone tabs/gels/injections

They are on testosterone and anti estrogen blockers, which you can get prescribed by a doctor through hrt programe here

It's hugely popular in the States, keeps your test levels at those of a 20 year old male, regular blood work done, you can pack on great muscle with it, it's ideal for guys over the age of 40

Hrt will catch on here too, in about 20 years :pac:

I'd look into that

Mellor

Mike9832 wrote: »

Most people with good physiques/strength don't even take roids, just on natural occuring hormone tabs/gels/injections

They are on testosterone and anti estrogen blockers, which you can get prescribed by a doctor through hrt programe here

What are you waffling about? Try doing the smallest bit of research there. So much wrong in such a small post.
They take testosterone but not steroids. Seriously?

And HRT/TRT is replacement hormones. Estrogen blockers (saying anti-estrogen blockers makes no sense btw) are not replacement hormones. They are breast cancer drugs and not prescribed for TRT.

Mike9832

Mellor wrote: »

What are you waffling about? Try doing the smallest bit of research there. So much wrong in such a small post.
They take testosterone but not steroids. Seriously?

And HRT/TRT is replacement hormones. Estrogen blockers (saying anti-estrogen blockers makes no sense btw) are not replacement hormones. They are breast cancer drugs and not prescribed for TRT.

Test isn't a steriod

Test can aromatize, so they take estrogen blockers

It's called trt/hrt, but ir really should be called ERT ( enhanced ), they are bringin levels up over 1000ng/dl in most cases , that's not replacing for a 40-50 year old, that's enhancing, very few men that age have test levels of a young man.

Anto Lynch

Good luck finding a doctor to prescribe test and estrogen blockers. Its hard enough to get them to do bloodwork.

Mike9832

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Good luck finding a doctor to prescribe test and estrogen blockers. Its hard enough to get them to do bloodwork.

Agree it's not popular here, but big money is being made in other countries, will happen here as well, eventually

Anto Lynch

Mike9832 wrote: »

Agree it's not popular here, but big money is being made in other countries, will happen here as well, eventually

Its easier and cheaper to do it yourself and just get bloods done privately every 6 months. (Not advising anyone to do this)

Mike9832

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Its easier and cheaper to do it yourself and just get bloods done privately every 6 months. (Not advising anyone to do this)

Of course, that is true

Can you be sure what your buying is legit when you source yourself?

It's not coming from large pharma Pfizer etc?

My wife would throw me out lol if she saw me coming in with 100 syringes and Test E in bottles lol :pac:

A nice rub on gel of test from my doctor , where I collect in the local pharmacy would cause no concern, even though it's the same thing

Media manipulation, test is bad, syringes are bad etc

Mike9832

Mellor wrote: »

Why would not never take them? Do you compete in a sport? Is it tested?

Just trying to see where you coming from. “PEDs” sometimes has a different implication to simply saying “steroids”.

Don't understand this either

I personally have never taken them and never will.

Why?

If it could be done safely, under medical supervision would you then?

The physical advantages to stuff like test alone are staggering, it's almost unbelievable, that's only test.

Studies like below, where men work asses off in the gym for 10 weeks and gain less muscle than a guy on test sitting on his couch for 10 weeks was suprising to me.

They even got 19% stronger without lifting a weight

When you read studies like that, you think different about top level sports

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

The men given testosterone without exercise had a significant mean increase in total body weight, and those in the testosterone-plus-exercise group had an average increase of 6.1 kg in body weight — a greater increase than in the other three groups.

The men in the testosterone-alone had significant increases in the one-repetition maximal weights lifted in the squatting exercises, averaging 19 percent

Anto Lynch

Mike9832 wrote: »

Of course, that is true

Can you be sure what your buying is legit when you source yourself?

It's not coming from large pharma Pfizer etc?

My wife would throw me out lol if she saw me coming in with 100 syringes and Test E in bottles lol :pac:

A nice rub on gel of test from my doctor , where I collect in the local pharmacy would cause no concern, even though it's the same thing

Media manipulation, test is bad, syringes are bad etc

Pinning yourself is dangerous i can see why it turns a lot of people off. I would prefer the gel myself. Getting a hold of it is the hard part.

blue note

I've never taken any, but my mother was on cortisone for an illness. The difference in energy was insane. She went from finding it tiring to not be in bed for the day to wanting to go for hour long walks and still have loads of energy. It was phenomenal the difference it made to her.

The chan chan man

Mike9832 wrote: »

Think alot of that is scaremongoring

If you took a few paracetamols a day , every day you'd probably have a higher chance of side effects like heart attack etc than mild steriods like a few tabs of Anavar.

Most people with good physiques/strength don't even take roids, just on natural occuring hormone tabs/gels/injections

They are on testosterone and anti estrogen blockers, which you can get prescribed by a doctor through hrt programe here

It's hugely popular in the States, keeps your test levels at those of a 20 year old male, regular blood work done, you can pack on great muscle with it, it's ideal for guys over the age of 40

Hrt will catch on here too, in about 20 years :pac:

I'd look into that

Its not scaremongering. I’ve seen the effects in middle age. Its not for me personally - but i’m still jealous of the results those guys achieved.

Mellor

Mike9832 wrote: »

Test isn't a steriod

Seriously man, go and do 10 seconds of googling. This is basic stuff.
Testosterone is an anabolic steroid and male sex hormone. The most fundamental anabolic steroid.

The fact you are taking test without knowing the basic info about it baffling.

Test can aromatize, so they take estrogen blockers

Bodybuilders (or others on high doses) take estrogen blockers or aromatize inhibitors because they are on supra-physiological doses. But doctor won't prescribe it as part of TRT.
If people overdose, and need AI to prevent gyno, they are no longer doing TRT.

Anto Lynch

Mellor wrote: »

Seriously man, go and do 10 seconds of googling. This is basic stuff.
Testosterone is an anabolic steroid and male sex hormone. The most fundamental anabolic steroid.

The fact you are taking test without knowing the basic info about it baffling.


Bodybuilders (or others on high doses) take estrogen blockers or aromatize inhibitors because they are on supra-physiological doses. But doctor won't prescribe it as part of TRT.
If people overdose, and need AI to prevent gyno, they are no longer doing TRT.

So are you saying low dose of test shouldnt need an AI?

Take 125mg per week for example. Is that not enough to shut down natural test production?

Mellor

Anto Lynch wrote: »

So are you saying low dose of test shouldnt need an AI?

Take 125mg per week for example. Is that not enough to shut down natural test production?

If you are on TRT shutdown natural test isn't a concern. Because you are on TRT.
That's my point, the other guy was confusing people with low test on TRT and people with healthy hormone level cycling steroid and trying to recover.

skallywag

I have had a Corticosteroid injection for pain relief reasons while waiting for surgery, I believe the particular drug is on the banned list, I recall my surgeon mentioning that as a by-the-way at the time.

The effect was pretty unbelievable I went from constant chronic pain to being completely pain free for ca 4-5 months. I was frankly amazed that just one jab could have these effects for so long.

Anto Lynch

Mellor wrote: »

If you are on TRT shutdown natural test isn't a concern. Because you are on TRT.
That's my point, the other guy was confusing people with low test on TRT and people with healthy hormone level cycling steroid and trying to recover.

I get you. Id say there are still people using an AI while taking a replacement level of testosterone (trt) to avoid shrinkage. I know i would.

Mike9832

Mellor wrote: »

Seriously man, go and do 10 seconds of googling. This is basic stuff.
Testosterone is an anabolic steroid and male sex hormone. The most fundamental anabolic steroid.

The fact you are taking test without knowing the basic info about it baffling.


Bodybuilders (or others on high doses) take estrogen blockers or aromatize inhibitors because they are on supra-physiological doses. But doctor won't prescribe it as part of TRT.
If people overdose, and need AI to prevent gyno, they are no longer doing TRT.

Why the aggresive replies?

Steroids are synthetic substances, yes they are similar to the male sex hormone testosterone, and we use Test as the base to measure anabolic androgenic ratio, but test and steriods aren't the same

Test occurs naturally, while steriods are synthetic

That's why I went down the hrt/trt angle, I didn't do a good job explaining it my reason why it's not really doings roids imo

If one guy has a low test level of 200 and an other guy an optimum level of 1200, I don't think it's taking peds to bring that guy to 1200, that's why I think trt/ert or whatever they call it has it's place

tuxy

Mike9832 wrote: »

Why the aggresive replies?

Steroids are synthetic substances, yes they are similar to the male sex hormone testosterone, and we use Test as the base to measure anabolic androgenic ratio, but test and steriods aren't the same

You think the testosterone that people take is not made synthetically?
Also Steroids are not necessarily synthetic.

italodisco

Anto Lynch wrote: »

I get you. Id say there are still people using an AI while taking a replacement level of testosterone (trt) to avoid shrinkage. I know i would.

I am on prescribed TRT and a prescribed AI.

An AI is not for 'shrinkage. Please do some basic research.

HCG helps prevent shrinkage , my doc prescribes it but not all will .

I used alot of Test / Mast / Nandrolone / Stanozol back in the day for competitive reasons and have to say i really enjoyed it.

The trick to staying alive was to do bloodwork before during and after cycle, and after pct.

Donate blood before during and after to keep haemogloblin and HCT down .

Lots of cardio, celery seed, beetroot juice, fish oils , circumin , coQ10.

italodisco

Mike9832 wrote: »

Why the aggresive replies?

Steroids are synthetic substances, yes they are similar to the male sex hormone testosterone, and we use Test as the base to measure anabolic androgenic ratio, but test and steriods aren't the same

Test occurs naturally, while steriods are synthetic

That's why I went down the hrt/trt angle, I didn't do a good job explaining it my reason why it's not really doings roids imo

If one guy has a low test level of 200 and an other guy an optimum level of 1200, I don't think it's taking peds to bring that guy to 1200, that's why I think trt/ert or whatever they call it has it's place

Injectable Testosteron is an Androgen .

And what is an injectable Androgen ????? You guessed it, a steroid .

Que the balloon drop

italodisco

for anyone looking to run a cycle of test enanth if you want to keep your gonads in good shape use 500iu of HCG per week.

Anto Lynch

italodisco wrote: »

for anyone looking to run a cycle of test enanth if you want to keep your gonads in good shape use 500iu of HCG per week.

Thanks for the info. This HCG would be required even if only taking a low dose of test? Eg 125mg per week.

What brand of HCG are you prescribed?

Mellor

Mike9832 wrote: »

Why the aggresive replies?

Steroids are synthetic substances, yes they are similar to the male sex hormone testosterone, and we use Test as the base to measure anabolic androgenic ratio, but test and steriods aren't the same

Test occurs naturally, while steriods are synthetic

That's why I went down the hrt/trt angle, I didn't do a good job explaining it my reason why it's not really doings roids imo

I’m not being aggressive, I’m saying please do research as genuine advice. You are talking steroid hormones and should be aware of that.

Steroids (including Test) can be Naturally occurring in the body or synthetic (drugs you take). Being synthetic isn’t a factor in whether something is a steroid.
Natural test is produced by your balls, injectable Test, or Test gel, is a synthetic steroid hormone.
Seriously just google testosterone and read the description.

Somebody on TRT at low levels and pro bodybuilder juiced to his eyeballs are both taking steroids. The difference is the dose.

Brian?

Thread locked. A general discussion on PEDs is fine, but not a discussion on how to use.