Sex and the City author "Truly alone"

suicide_circus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7295837/Sex-City-writer-admits-regrets-choosing-career-having-children.html

Candace Bushnell, who made her millions from convincing women to choose career over motherhood in her vapid souless novels has buyers regret.

*Slow hand clap*

Potential-Monke

She must have been truly alone to write that tripe in the first place

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7295837/Sex-City-writer-admits-regrets-choosing-career-having-children.html

Candace Bushnell, who made her millions from convincing women to choose career over motherhood in her vapid souless novels has buyers regret.

*Slow hand clap*

Aaahh, wha’?

SusieBlue

Two of the women had children, in fact the show highlighted Charlotte's fertility struggles and her journey to conceive.
How did that encourage viewers to put their careers before motherhood?

EmmetSpiceland

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7295837/Sex-City-writer-admits-regrets-choosing-career-having-children.html

Candace Bushnell, who made her millions from convincing women to choose career over motherhood in her vapid souless novels has buyers regret.

*Slow hand clap*

At least it had a better message than the “Bridget Jones” franchise.

Autecher

Suicide Circus, that ogling women thread just got closed and you start this one? You've just thrown a live grenade into after hours.

kikilarue2

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7295837/Sex-City-writer-admits-regrets-choosing-career-having-children.html

Candace Bushnell, who made her millions from convincing women to choose career over motherhood in her vapid souless novels has buyers regret.

*Slow hand clap*

What kind of person takes pleasure from another human's loneliness?

suicide_circus

SusieBlue wrote: »

Two of the women had children, in fact the show highlighted Charlotte's fertility struggles and her journey to conceive.
How did that encourage viewers to put their careers before motherhood?

i thought that was the whole point of the protagonist?

suicide_circus

kikilarue2 wrote: »

What kind of person takes pleasure from another human's loneliness?

i'm not ""pleasured"

eviltwin

suicide_circus wrote: »

i thought that was the whole point of the protagonist?

Did you ever read the book or watch the show?

suicide_circus

eviltwin wrote: »

Did you ever read the book or watch the show?

yes i had to sit through a good deal of the show

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

suicide_circus wrote: »

i thought that was the whole point of the protagonist?

She’s a fictional character. Who the fuck bases huge life decisions on what a fictional character does?

kikilarue2

Yeah, SATC and Bridget Jones are pointless, but watching 20-something men chase a ball around a field - that's a meaningful hobby.

suicide_circus

sorry ladies, yikes

kikilarue2

suicide_circus wrote: »

i'm not ""pleasured"

There's a strong bang of schadenfreude off your OP.

At least she's got her millions to keep her company, more than most of us can say.

Autecher

suicide_circus wrote: »

sorry ladies, yikes

I did try to warn you....

Autecher wrote: »

Suicide Circus, that ogling women thread just got closed and you start this one? You've just thrown a live grenade into after hours.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

suicide_circus wrote: »

sorry ladies, yikes

But, like, seriously. Who do you think would say “I really want kids but Carrie doesn’t want them so now I don’t know what to think!”? Do you not realise how daft that sounds?

Autecher

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But, like, seriously. Who do you think would say “I really want kids but Carrie doesn’t want them so now I don’t know what to think!”? Do you not realise how daft that sounds?

ODB! You actually made Desperately passive aggressive your signature! I thought you were messing when you said that the other day. Haha! I llike that

I dunno. I mean, the main reason I had a third boob installed was because of Total Recall. And I had one eye taken out and the remaining one repositioned because of Futurama.

Most tellingly of all there was this one time I bought a dress because I saw one similar on tv and liked it, so it's not like it's completely unheard of to base your serious life choices on the half-hour antics of fictional characters.

Thanks for the heads-up, OP. That'll learn me.

suicide_circus

Autecher wrote: »

I did try to warn you....

eject! eject!!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Autecher wrote: »

ODB! You actually made Desperately passive aggressive your signature! I thought you were messing when you said that the other day. Haha! I llike that

I couldn’t pass it up. Plus I am a passive aggressive wagon, so why not? :pac:

suicide_circus

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But, like, seriously. Who do you think would say “I really want kids but Carrie doesn’t want them so now I don’t know what to think!”? Do you not realise how daft that sounds?

i think its stylishness and popularity may have made certain lifestyle choices seem more appealing. Like the way porkpie hats got popular with breaking bad.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

suicide_circus wrote: »

i think its stylishness and popularity may have made certain lifestyle choices seem more appealing.

Right... but clothes... children. Kind of a big difference there.

One minute it's looking at fashion on television and the next it's all "Ooh, I really want kids...but I think I'll have a new pair of shoes instead" Fickle yokes, those women.

Women, sort yourselves out!

kikilarue2

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Right... but clothes... children. Kind of a big difference there.

No, women place all decisions, from whether to invest in a pair of Jimmy Choos to whether or not to have children at the same level.

And if they should choose not to have children, they obviously deserve to be mocked for that decision if they feel lonely as they get older.

Obvz.

suicide_circus

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Right... but clothes... children. Kind of a big difference there.

ok i'm wrong. but i think there is a kernel of truth in there somewhere.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

ok i'm wrong. but i think there is a kernel of truth in there somewhere.

I think you may think that because it suits your biases. We all do that to some extent.

We don't all open threads to mock people about it, but we all do it.

Tiddlypeeps

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But, like, seriously. Who do you think would say “I really want kids but Carrie doesn’t want them so now I don’t know what to think!”? Do you not realise how daft that sounds?

People are influenced more than you would think by the media they consume. For example there is often a spike in certain professions following culturally significant movies for example the original Jurassic Park caused a spike in Paleontology and Archaeology.


It's not that someone would sit down and say I want this thing but I'm not gonna do it because X person from Y show doesn't do it, it's much more subtle than that. For example if a teenage girl who watched Sex in the City might be drawn to the lifestyle shown and pursue similar, whereas if they were otherwise not exposed to that lifestyle by other means they might only be exposed to people in their community. Which for a young woman in a rural area might mean the only other women they are exposed to are all stay at home mothers or teachers.


I'm not saying Sex in the City actually did influence anyone this way, I have no idea, I'm just saying it's not a ridiculous suggestion as it was a very popular show when it aired.

Porklife

To be fair, I have learned some life lessons from that show. There's an episode where Miranda is questioning whether a guy she likes will call or not and Carries bf sets her straight - there is no confusion...if a guy likes you he's calling you no matter what and if he doesn't, he's just not that into you! Wise words from a guy called Burger!

pleasant Co.

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

People are influenced more than you would think by the media they consume. For example there is often a spike in certain professions following culturally significant movies for example the original Jurassic Park caused a spike in Paleontology and Archaeology.


It's not that someone would sit down and say I want this thing but I'm not gonna do it because X person from Y show doesn't do it, it's much more subtle than that. For example if a teenage girl who watched Sex in the City might be drawn to the lifestyle shown and pursue similar, whereas if they were otherwise not exposed to that lifestyle by other means they might only be exposed to people in their community. Which for a young woman in a rural area might mean the only other women they are exposed to are all stay at home mothers or teachers.


I'm not saying Sex in the City actually did influence anyone this way, I have no idea, I'm just saying it's not a ridiculous suggestion as it was a very popular show when it aired.

That's true, growing up, at some point I wanted to be a vampire slayer....things have worked out pretty well.

kikilarue2

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

PIt's not that someone would sit down and say I want this thing but I'm not gonna do it because X person from Y show doesn't do it, it's much more subtle than that. For example if a teenage girl who watched Sex in the City might be drawn to the lifestyle shown and pursue similar, whereas if they were otherwise not exposed to that lifestyle by other means they might only be exposed to people in their community. Which for a young woman in a rural area might mean the only other women they are exposed to are all stay at home mothers or teachers.

There was no anti-motherhood sentiment though. The OP had that all wrong. There were four main characters, two of whom had kids.

We can all acknowledge the impact the show had on women in terms of fashion, and prior to it there were no female-led sitcoms that openly discussed sex, so it had a lot of influence in that sense.

Either way, the "haha, that b1tch ended up alone" sentiment was wholely unnecessary and pretty nasty.

eviltwin

OP I wonder about the women you know if you think we are thick enough to base our lives on a TV show

suicide_circus

eviltwin wrote: »

OP I wonder about the women you know if you think we are thick enough to base our lives on a TV show

i dont think people who are influenced by media are thick.

i think people who think that media has no influence on them are pretty naieve though.

suicide_circus

kikilarue2 wrote: »

There was no anti-motherhood sentiment though. The OP had that all wrong. There were four main characters, two of whom had kids.

We can all acknowledge the impact the show had on women in terms of fashion, and prior to it there were no female-led sitcoms that openly discussed sex, so it had a lot of influence in that sense.

Either way, the "haha, that b1tch ended up alone" sentiment was wholely unnecessary and pretty nasty.

didnt call her a bitch. that was you.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

suicide_circus wrote: »

didnt call her a bitch. that was you.

She was paraphrasing obviously. Let’s not pretend your OP doesn’t have a snide slant.

CrankyHaus

Was SATC any good or was it just vapid escapism?

I'm the wrong gender for it, but the odd time I saw it the TV show seemed to be well written and solidly casted, Cattrell in particular had proper comedy chops. The movies looked like absolute cringey cash in drivel though: the insipid materialism turned up to 11 and anything of value chucked overboard.

eviltwin

suicide_circus wrote: »

i dont think people who are influenced by media are thick.

i think people who think that media has no influence on them are pretty naieve though.

You said yourself she made her name convincing women not to have kids. I've never met a woman who made that decision because of a TV show. She presented an image of a certain group of people based on her own lived experience, it's entertainment not a manifesto.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Was SATC any good or was it just vapid escapism?

I'm the wrong gender for it, but the odd time I saw it the TV show seemed to be well written and solidly casted, Cattrell in particular had proper comedy chops. The movies looked like absolute cringey cash in drivel though: the insipid materialism turned up to 11 and anything of value chucked overboard.

It’s pretty disliked by both genders in my experience. I enjoyed and still enjoy the TV series (I ignore the films) but I no longer bother defending it. It’s not worth the energy. It’s a unpopular show and I’m not going to change anyone’s mind.

However the former party girl also revealed that she regularly has Botox and doesn't until 4pm - because she's not hungry until then.

Forget the kids, she should stop eating botox.

suicide_circus

eviltwin wrote: »

You said yourself she made her name convincing women not to have kids. I've never met a woman who made that decision because of a TV show. She presented an image of a certain group of people based on her own lived experience, it's entertainment not a manifesto.

fair enough. i just always kind of saw it as extension of the "girl power" of the 90s which did attempt to have social influence. perhaps i'm way off the mark.

kikilarue2

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s pretty disliked by both genders in my experience. I enjoyed and still enjoy the TV series (I ignore the films) but I no longer bother defending it. It’s not worth the energy. It’s a unpopular show and I’m not going to change anyone’s mind.

Yup, it's a guilty pleasure. it was quite materialist, but it also dealt with a bunch of serious topics, particularly around relationships - sexual politics, infidelity, heartbreak.

And it's a bit like the Big Bang Theory at the moment - everyone claims to hate it but somehow it's the most popular comedy in America so someone's gotta be watching it.

kikilarue2

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Forget the kids, she should stop eating botox.

Why? She looks amazing.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Yup, it's a guilty pleasure. it was quite materialist, but it also dealt with a bunch of serious topics, particularly around relationships - sexual politics, infidelity, heartbreak.

And it's a bit like the Big Bang Theory at the moment - everyone claims to hate it but somehow it's the most popular comedy in America so someone's gotta be watching it.

I don’t even class it as a guilty pleasure, I just like it full stop. Flawed characters, frequently funny.

suicide_circus

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Yup, it's a guilty pleasure. it was quite materialist, but it also dealt with a bunch of serious topics, particularly around relationships - sexual politics, infidelity, heartbreak.

And it's a bit like the Big Bang Theory at the moment - everyone claims to hate it but somehow it's the most popular comedy in America so someone's gotta be watching it.

watch the big bang theory without the canned laughter. train crash stuff, SATC is Shakespeare in comparison.

CrankyHaus

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Was SATC any good or was it just vapid escapism?

I'm the wrong gender for it, but the odd time I saw it the TV show seemed to be well written and solidly casted, Cattrell in particular had proper comedy chops. The movies looked like absolute cringey cash in drivel though: the insipid materialism turned up to 11 and anything of value chucked overboard.

Kim Cattrell was a caricature of a character, and she played it very well.

I didn't mind the show, didn't love it or hate it but it had some very witty lines and was an easy watch.

I'm not ashamed to admit that as a person with zero style of my own, I enjoyed the fashion and interiors most of all. The stylists were excellent on that show.

All the hatred is completely over the top and unwarranted, imo.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Candie wrote: »

Kim Cattrell was a caricature of a character, and she played it very well.

I didn't mind the show, didn't love it or hate it but it had some very witty lines and was an easy watch.

I'm not ashamed to admit that as a person with zero style of my own, I enjoyed the fashion and interiors most of all. The stylists were excellent on that show.

All the hatred is completely over the top and unwarranted, imo.

Re: the fashion, for me, I liked it but it wasn’t why I watched the show. Kind of like Mad Men. The outfits were just an added bonus.

I totally agree that the vitriol the show inspires is OTT. And the judgements made on those who liked it.

El_Duderino 09

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7295837/Sex-City-writer-admits-regrets-choosing-career-having-children.html

Candace Bushnell, who made her millions from convincing women to choose career over motherhood in her vapid souless novels has buyers regret.

*Slow hand clap*

OP, on a topic completely unrelated to all these "women, amirite?" Posts. How's the love life these days?

Wait a minute the purpose of children is to make sure you are not lonely when you get old? a tiny bit self-absorbed maybe?

kikilarue2

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Why? She looks amazing.

My attempt at a joke Kiki:pac: there was a typo in the article.

No problem with botox at all. It's the modern equivalent of giving-out to a woman over 40 for for showing her knees, which apparently used to be a bit of a thing.

suicide_circus

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

OP, on a topic completely unrelated to all these "women, amirite?" Posts. How's the love life these days?

happily married about 3 years. not an incel mgtow, sorry to disappoint

kikilarue2

suicide_circus wrote: »

happily married about 3 years. not an incel mgtow, sorry to disappoint

And is your wife refusing to provide you with progeny on the basis that Carrie and Samantha didn't?