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DoneDeal phone sale turns into violent robbery

  • 29-07-2019 4:23am
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    Registered Users Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭ Gadgetman496


    One man’s attempt to sell his phone on Done Deal turned into a violent robbery by a group of people.

    https://galwaydaily.com/courts/jail-time-for-violent-phone-robbery/
    Joe Mwangi (22) of Cluain Riocaird, Ballinfoyle pleaded guilty to robbery and attempted theft at Galway Circuit Court.
    The court heard that on June 7 of 2016 a German man had arranged to meet with two people to sell his iPhone he’d advertised on Done Deal.

    The victim was at G&L Centra in Newcastle, but said that he had a bad feeling when he met Mwangi and another man, and didn’t believe they had money to buy his phone.

    He went in to the store to wait for them to leave, but Sgt Tom Doyle said that cctv footage showed four men waiting at the nearby Topaz.

    When the victim left the store two men approached from behind, knocking him to the ground. While he was on the ground he said that the four men continued to attack him.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭ Hoboo


    One man’s attempt to sell his phone on Done Deal turned into a violent robbery by a group of people.

    https://galwaydaily.com/courts/jail-time-for-violent-phone-robbery/

    Happens every day.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    Wow, that case seems to have taken 3 years to finish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭ gozunda


    biko wrote: »
    Wow, that case seems to have taken 3 years to finish.

    Not unusually sadly ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭ Gadgetman496


    Sentenced to 4 years with one suspended + 2 concurrent.

    https://connachttribune.ie/mugger-jailed-for-vicious-attack-090/

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭ Sonny noggs


    I assume he will be deported upon his release from prison.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,778 ✭✭✭✭ Sariyah Ambitious Toothpaste


    Why he isn’t immediately deported is the biggest question a plane ticket and kick in the arse is a lot cheaper than keeping him in jail at taxpayers expense.

    Banned for ever reentering Ireland too of course!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭ jimbobaloobob


    Why he isn’t immediately deported is the biggest question a plane ticket and kick in the arse is a lot cheaper than keeping him in jail at taxpayers expense.

    Banned for ever reentering Ireland too of course!

    He may not face any penalty if deported.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 6,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭ connemara man


    Absolutely scummy thing and I'd say far too frequent

    Nothing in that article suggests he wasn't born in Ireland why is he being deported??


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,853 ✭✭✭✭ Timberrrrrrrr


    Absolutely scummy thing and I'd say far too frequent

    Nothing in that article suggests he wasn't born in Ireland why is he being deported??

    They see a foreign sounding name and automatically assume he isn't Irish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,895 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    Why he isn’t immediately deported is the biggest question a plane ticket and kick in the arse is a lot cheaper than keeping him in jail at taxpayers expense.

    Deported to where? Australia's not taking our crims any more.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭ Your Face


    Why he isn’t immediately deported is the biggest question a plane ticket and kick in the arse is a lot cheaper than keeping him in jail at taxpayers expense.

    Banned for ever reentering Ireland too of course!

    Mad notion but he may have been born here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭ Andrew00


    Deported to where? Australia's not taking our crims any more.

    Deported back to his own country. Not that hard to understand


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,853 ✭✭✭✭ Timberrrrrrrr


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Deported back to his own country. Not that hard to understand

    What country is this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,291 ✭✭✭✭ vicwatson


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Deported back to his own country. Not that hard to understand

    Maybe he’s Irish?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    There is a lot of guessing going on here.
    Let's just drop that until when/if it emerges whether the robber is Irish or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Happens every day.

    Too true. I know someone who had a car stolen when showing it and I've heard of people turning up to buy a car/tractor/etc and being met be a person saying "You're here to buy X, give us your money or else."

    The only people who benefit from our "justice" system are the solicitors and barristers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭ 1874


    He may not face any penalty if deported.


    If he wasnt a national/citizen, no matter if a tourist or involved in asylum or refugee status (but especially if involved in asylum or as a refugee, then if they cant keep their nose clean, it wouldnt appear they are not a beneficial addition to this society and probably why they are away from their own country).If the original country has a recognised democracy, then their crime should be considered for reporting as the reason for deportation. If they are escaping or allegedly escaping persecution, they should be returned to the country of original entry to the EU and the EU should fund their imprisonment.

    IMO any of those involved in crime should either serve only the amount of their sentence so they can be detained until deported or have their full sentence suspended when they can be deported immediately, I would think that is the penalty they fear the most, their details recorded and a lifetime ban on re-entering under any circumstances, especially but not limited to violent crimes/assault/robbery/sexual assault/repeated offences of any kind.


    As regards people who have obtained Irish nationality, well many countries allow their citizens to maintain dual citizenship, and for applicants here too, we should allow and insist upon it, it should be a condition of getting a visa here, at least for a duration of 10 years following such a situation, if they are involved in criminal activity or certain incidents, citizenship should be revoked and deported on their original passport/citizenship.


    Anyone born here should be imprisoned, offered rehabilitation, education, if that doesnt work, lock them up long term.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭ xckjoo


    Well that didn't take long to revert to a race/immigration discussion....


    Cops in other countries have set up "safe spaces" for you to meet to do these kind of transactions. Wonder would the Guards have any interest in doing that here. I guess you can always arrange to meet them outside the cop shop


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    xckjoo wrote: »
    Well that didn't take long to revert to a race/immigration discussion....


    Cops in other countries have set up "safe spaces" for you to meet to do these kind of transactions. Wonder would the Guards have any interest in doing that here. I guess you can always arrange to meet them outside the cop shop

    The person meet them in an area with CCTV. They waited for them to leave the place before attacking him. What makes you think that they wouldn't attack someone when they leave the "safe space" or moves away from the Garda station?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭✭✭ Turnrew


    He may not face any penalty if deported.

    Who Packie Bonner?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭ xckjoo


    Del2005 wrote: »
    The person meet them in an area with CCTV. They waited for them to leave the place before attacking him. What makes you think that they wouldn't attack someone when they leave the "safe space" or moves away from the Garda station?

    Dunno bud. Not that bothered. Was only trying to keep the thread on topic. You'll always have some idiot/lunatic that won't care about potential repercussions.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    The point of CCTV covered areas for purchasing isn't to prevent people from robbing you outside the covered area.
    The point is having you, the item, and the robber on tape at the same time in case there is a later court case.

    Scummers knowing their face is on CCTV is hopefully less likely to rob you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 904 pure.conya


    biko wrote: »
    The point of CCTV covered areas for purchasing isn't to prevent people from robbing you outside the covered area.
    The point is having you, the item, and the robber on tape at the same time in case there is a later court case.

    Scummers knowing their face is on CCTV is hopefully less likely to rob you.

    you're assuming a level of intelligence beyond the reach of the typical demographics that would engage in such a scummy action


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭ CrankyHaus


    pure.conya wrote: »
    you're assuming a level of intelligence beyond the reach of the typical demographics that would engage in such a scummy action

    Or collective knowledge of the justice system and how it really functions means they're just not worried.

    Here the case was pursued to the full, essentially it's the very worst that can happen to a criminal in our system. 3 years later the perpetrator was jailed for 3 years. Throw in the various reductions and he won't do much. He was only ID'd through attempts to use the stolen debit cards. No mention of his accomplices being prosecuted.

    How many cases aren't pursued at all?
    How many times do you think Mr Mwangi and acquantices of his got away for the same or worse?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭ Wompa1


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Or collective knowledge of the justice system and how it really functions means they're just not worried.

    Here the case was pursued to the full, essentially it's the very worst that can happen to a criminal in our system. 3 years later the perpetrator was jailed for 3 years. Throw in the various reductions and he won't do much. He was only ID'd through attempts to use the stolen debit cards. No mention of his accomplices being prosecuted.

    How many cases aren't pursued at all?
    How many times do you think Mr Mwangi and acquantices of his got away for the same or worse?

    Yep, that's a bigger problem. One of my neighbors back in the 2000's had 51 previous convictions and kept having cases against him dropped or only getting a slap on the wrist. Irish fella...sorry to disappoint some.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭ minikin


    Thirteen previous convictions...
    what a wonderful addition to the community.

    We know the nationality of the victim...
    why so coy about the perpetrator?

    If he’s Irish then say he’s Irish...
    if he’s Norwegian then say he’s Norwegian...
    Not suggesting he be ‘sent home’ but let’s have an honest discussion, at least. To do otherwise allows more extreme opinions to fester in place of facts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭ xckjoo


    minikin wrote: »
    Thirteen previous convictions...
    what a wonderful addition to the community.

    We know the nationality of the victim...
    why so coy about the perpetrator?

    If he’s Irish then say he’s Irish...
    if he’s Norwegian then say he’s Norwegian...
    Not suggesting he be ‘sent home’ but let’s have an honest discussion, at least. To do otherwise allows more extreme opinions to fester in place of facts.
    Nationality is only a factor if certain nationalities are getting preferential treatment. Can't see that being a factor here. As Wompa pointed out, there's plenty of white Irish with huge numbers of convictions that continuing to live with no fear of the law.

    There's also plenty of black Irish at this stage so there's a fairly decent chance his nationality is Irish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭ Wompa1


    minikin wrote: »
    Thirteen previous convictions...
    what a wonderful addition to the community.

    We know the nationality of the victim...
    why so coy about the perpetrator?

    If he’s Irish then say he’s Irish...
    if he’s Norwegian then say he’s Norwegian...
    Not suggesting he be ‘sent home’ but let’s have an honest discussion, at least. To do otherwise allows more extreme opinions to fester in place of facts.

    Do you remember many stories of crime in Ireland that labelled the culprit as Irish?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭ minikin


    xckjoo wrote: »
    Nationality is only a factor if certain nationalities are getting preferential treatment. Can't see that being a factor here. As Wompa pointed out, there's plenty of white Irish with huge numbers of convictions that continuing to live with no fear of the law.

    There's also plenty of black Irish at this stage so there's a fairly decent chance his nationality is Irish.

    So would it not benefit the discussion by pointing out that he is Irish, if that’s the case, rather than leaving it in limbo... open to speculation by those who would use his ‘otherness’ as a stick to beat all those who are not “from these parts”


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭ Wompa1


    minikin wrote: »
    So would it not benefit the discussion by pointing out that he is Irish, if that’s the case, rather than leaving it in limbo... open to speculation by those who would use his ‘otherness’ as a stick to beat all those who are not “from these parts”

    So they should write the article in a way that curtails people's deep seeded racism?


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