Congressmen are now asking the Navy about secret UFO wreckage.

Cheerful Spring2

Congressman Mark Walker who is the member of the Homeland Security Committee, sent a letter to Navy Secretary Richard Spencer asking for answers about the UFO phenomenon, also is requesting additional classified documentation, and asking do we have secret crashed UFO technology.

I doubt he be told if they do have this technology, there no reason to do so, and letting your enemies know you have it.

gerrybbadd

He'll get nowhere.

Worth noting that this has been tried before with nil results:

https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/article-ufo-leak-of-the-century-richard-dolan-analyzes-the-admiral-wilson-leak/

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gerrybbadd wrote: »

He'll get nowhere.

Worth noting that this has been tried before with nil results:

https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/article-ufo-leak-of-the-century-richard-dolan-analyzes-the-admiral-wilson-leak/

Wilson leak was a back channel communication between a government scentist and UFO US government insider, over decade ago.
This very different here, congressmen are now demanding classified information about secret US UFO programs. They are pretty much revealing the US has classified info the public not allowed to see and ufo community said this was case for years.

ATTIP i believe was a CIA managed UFO program inside the Pentagon. You clearly can see its a CIA run operation and Tom Delonge insiders are all connected with US intelligence ie CIA.

They very careful not to tell us the whole truth and trying to do this slow and easy and get people onboard the phenomenon is real. I suspect they doing this way is to avoid legal issues why the cover-up was in place for 60 years. You can even see they are trying to paint themselves in good light and was all done for national security reasons and aliens maybe be a threat. There running a Psyop and United States public now involved.

Cheerful Spring2

Letter send to Navy Secretary.



Last bit can be read here.
https://silvarecord.com/2019/07/30/congressman-walkers-ufo-letter/

Cheerful Spring2

Tom de longe group is now claiming they have secured UFO metamaterials.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a28539617/tom-delonge-ufo-metamaterials/


Last week, To The Stars announced it has acquired several pieces of metamaterials from investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe. Per a press release, the metals are reported to have come from “an advanced aerospace vehicle of unknown origin.”

“The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application,” Steve Justice, COO of To The Stars and former head of Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin's "Skunk Works,” said in the press release.

I would not claim this it for UFO disclosure, because the metals have been around for long time, and not sure if they were tested by someone already? I also not sure also if just Moulton Howe mysterious metals they got?

It would not surprise me in the least, some agency had materials like this hidden, and here they would use this group to hand over some of what they got and nobody be the wiser? It be clever way to do it and still keep overall black project secure still. Maybe wrong about this and just howe metals?

Cheerful Spring2

As they posted this image, i just presume this is one of the pieces they have secured for testing? I have seen Linda image of her metal and this looks very different? It may be the same i can't say for sure need to see more images.

Dohnjoe

Would love if this was real, but I guarantee it's nothing

Ipso

Again?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Would love if this was real, but I guarantee it's nothing

Definately real. Are they alien metals is another story altogether. We have to wait and see about this.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Definately real. Are they alien metals is another story altogether. We have to wait and see about this.

Yeah, have read these stories for decades, and some are quite compelling (especially the stories from pilots, combat pilots, ATC, and so on), but in the end it's always nothing

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yeah, have read these stories for decades, and some are quite compelling (especially the stories from pilots, combat pilots, ATC, and so on), but in the end it's always nothing

Tom Delonge group team had high level government agency jobs and for some reason some of them gave it all up allegedly to join this group. There up to something not sure what yet.

Skeptics need to be careful about this, because it clear to anyone whos watching the Navy changed their UFO guidelines based on Tom UFO Group going pubic and lobbying for new guideline changes. There series on History channel is out and you can see this.

I said allegedly there out of government, but i am suspicious because on history channel series they were allowed to interview fighter pilots who are still on active duty and not yet left the service. Clearly interviews like this need to be given the go ahead and this clearance would have be decided by generals at the Pentagon and the Secretary of the navy. It evident to me there back channelling still ongoing between Tom group and the Pentagon still.

We just have to wait and see if there anything worthwhile here and they truly opening up and revealing what they have got.

Anto Lynch

Im open to there being secret or alien tech but Tom De Longe is a complete wackjob.

Check out when he was on Rogans podcast. The video he had young jamie pull up. Laughable.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We just have to wait and see if there anything worthwhile here and they truly opening up and revealing what they have got.

This has been said after every single UFO story from the last 50 plus years.
It's not going to amount to anything this time either.

Cheerful Spring2

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Im open to there being secret or alien tech but Tom De Longe is a complete wackjob.

Check out when he was on Rogans podcast. The video he had young jamie pull up. Laughable.

I thought so too at the time, but remember his wacky stories were told before the UFO program at the Pentagon was revealed by the New York Times. He was telling incredible stories about meeting generals and Nasa officials and was unbelieveable back then for Joe Rogan. Now it out and Tom was telling the truth about these meetings. Joe Rogan was wrong about Tom and he needs to bring him on again and say sorry.

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King Mob wrote: »

This has been said after every single UFO story from the last 50 plus years.
It's not going to amount to anything this time either.

US military has denied the existence of UFOs for 60 years. They have never publically admitted there is something there to investigate. Project blue book was there attempt to debunk the UFO phenomenon. Now for the first time, they are stating their military pilots have witnessed flying objects that defy known physics. Before the response was there just weather balloons, swamp gas, and venus and other things. I can't remember a time in Ufology either active Congress members got briefed about the UFO phenomenon and the public was notified by official media. There definately a change happening, more openess, just not sure yet "why now, whos compelled them to do it?

Dohnjoe

The US is apparently a popular destination for UFO's. Not so much Africa.

Anto Lynch

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I thought so too at the time, but remember his wacky stories were told before the UFO program at the Pentagon was revealed by the New York Times. He was telling incredible stories about meeting generals and Nasa officials and was unbelieveable back then for Joe Rogan. Now it out and Tom was telling the truth about these meetings. Joe Rogan was wrong about Tom and he needs to bring him on again and say sorry.

Yeah but did you see the video he claimed was real? It was one of the worst looking fakes out there. Stuff like that discredits anything else he has to say. I havent paid much attention to Tom since then, i may check back in.

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Dohnjoe wrote: »

The US is apparently a popular destination for UFO's. Not so much Africa.

False actually one of big UFOs cases happened in Zimbabwe Africa. There many more. Dozens and Dozens of kids saw a UFO land near their school. It was remote location far from a city.

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Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

US military has denied the existence of UFOs for 60 years. They have never publically admitted there is something there to investigate. Project blue book was there attempt to debunk the UFO phenomenon. Now for the first time, they are stating their military pilots have witnessed flying objects that defy known physics. Before the response was there just weather balloons, swamp gas, and venus and other things. I can't remember a time in Ufology either active Congress members got briefed about the UFO phenomenon and the public was notified by official media. There definately a change happening, more openess, just not sure yet "why now, whos compelled them to do it?

Yea, they've been saying that too.
Again nothing different here.

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Anto Lynch wrote: »

Yeah but did you see the video he claimed was real? It was one of the worst looking fakes out there. Stuff like that discredits anything else he has to say. I havent paid much attention to Tom since then, i may check back in.

I not sure what video you referring to, post if you can?. Tom has his own ideas about the phenomenon alright and thats fine. Elizonda has even said that Tom can get carried away sometimes and has to control him.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

False

No it's not false. I used the word "popular".

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/132-observational-astronomy/seti-and-extraterrestrial-life/ufos/798-why-do-so-many-of-the-world-s-ufo-sightings-happen-in-america-beginner

People in certain countries "see" and report more UFOs than other countries with larger populations. The US is the world mecca for this. Until something is verified it's a psychological phenomenon

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King Mob wrote: »

Yea, they've been saying that too.
Again nothing different here.

Wrong. US Navy clearly saying now can only be two things.

The Chinese or Russians have advanced ahead of them by decades + or more or something else is visiting us ie its aliens for lack of better word to describe them.

Elizonda who was head of the ATTIP UFO program at the Pentagon, claims its more likely alien technology. You ignorning best fighters pilots in the world, flying the best fighter jets man has ever made produced, are chasing these objects in the sky. They are witnessing the objects eyes on with their own eyes and with modern radar systems, followed them. There no mistake here real genuine UFOs are not balloons or swamp gas.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Wrong. US Navy clearly saying now can only be two things.

The Chinese or Russians have advanced ahead of them by decades + or more or something else is visiting us ie its aliens for lack of better word to describe them.

Elizonda who was head of the ATTIP UFO program at the Pentagon, claims its more likely alien technology. You ignorning best fighters pilots in the world, flying the best fighter jets man has ever made produced, are chasing these objects in the sky. They are witnessing the objects eyes on with their own eyes and with modern radar systems, followed them. There no mistake here real genuine UFOs are not balloons or swamp gas.

K.
So when will the big reveal be?
A month? A year? 10 Years?

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Dohnjoe wrote: »

No it's not false. I used the word "popular".

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/132-observational-astronomy/seti-and-extraterrestrial-life/ufos/798-why-do-so-many-of-the-world-s-ufo-sightings-happen-in-america-beginner

People in certain countries "see" and report more UFOs than other countries with larger populations. The US is the world mecca for this. Until something is verified it's a psychological phenomenon

Highly unlikely. How does your mind place unknown flying objects on a military radar screen?

UFO phenomenon is experienced worldwide. US has lot more UFO sightings because it most powerful country on earth so it highly likely an advanced alien race would go there most often to spy and have a look. Plus culturally, in the west we have more ways to be open and discuss the topic on forums and websites. Internet is not widely avilable worldwide a sighting in some remote country in Africa may never be known if they had no access to internet. If the Chinese witnessese see something in the Sky and talk about in on chinese forum, and not translated to English, we may never hear about it.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

US has lot more UFO sightings

Than anywhere else, correct.

So it's either a more popular country for aliens to visit (lol) OR people "see" more UFOs there than anywhere else. Simple logic.

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

K.
So when will the big reveal be?
A month? A year? 10 Years?

There no big reveal, coming down the pipeline i see right now. I call it more of an 'acceptance right now there is something there.

You want to see this alien technology first. It all depends' do they actually have something belonging to another civilization from somewhere else and are they willing to share with public they have it?

UFO stories like Roswell is not actual proof they have alien spaceship in hangar somewhere stored away. If they have nothing in storage, then there very little chance we will ever know- the aliens would have to come closer and reveal themselves to everyone and so far they are engaged in covert ways of interacting with us.

I see this like a slow disclosure to climatize the public at large. Fox News talking to Trump about his briefing about UFOs is a way of informing the public. I have feeling we may end up with senate hearings eventually. Tom group claim they have required metals with alleged magical properties, that can float when hit with a certain frequency and do crazy things, we see how this pans out.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There no big reveal, coming down the pipeline i see right now. I call it more of an 'acceptance right now there is something there.
...
... we see how this pans out.

Ok, when will it pan out?
In what way will it pan out that will make it at all convincing to non-believers?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Than anywhere else, correct.

So it's either a more popular country for aliens to visit (lol) OR people "see" more UFOs there than anywhere else. Simple logic.

I think South America has more genuine sightings . Elizondo went to Italy, shown on his history channel UFO show and the government officials there handed him a usb key database filled with pages of UFO sightings that occurred across Italy. American UFO sightings are just more known thats all, there many reasons why that is.

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sugarman wrote: »

US is the 3rd largest country in the world by area and the 3rd most populated country in the world so of course there are going to be more sighting than most other places.

There lot more sightings, genuine is different. You can see on Youtube a light in the sky is considered a UFO. A light in dark background can be anything.

The American UFO cases are widely reported so they make the news more often. Anything weird in America is more likely to be reported about.

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King Mob wrote: »

Ok, when will it pan out?
In what way will it pan out that will make it at all convincing to non-believers?

For non believers like yourself,obviously this willl convince you.

Senate hearings- UFO topic discussed on TV
Alien ships appearing on official TV
Alien metals- can not be made by humans right now
Alien bodies
More disclosures- more classified revealed.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

For non believers like yourself,obviously this willl convince you.

Senate hearings- UFO topic discussed on TV
Alien ships appearing on official TV
Alien metals- can not be made by humans right now
Alien bodies
More disclosures- more classified revealed.

Ok. So when will that happen?

Dohnjoe

sugarman wrote: »

US is the 3rd largest country in the world by area and the 3rd most populated country in the world so of course there are going to be more sighting than most other places.

More sightings than any other country, by far. It's also the home of UFO movies, media, culture, etc. People are much more likely to report seeing a UFO on July 4th than any other day in the US. Also much more likely to see them during drinking hours.

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King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So when will that happen?

Tom de longe group claim they have required metals.

"The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application,” Steve Justice, To The Stars Academy's COO and former head of Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works said in a statement

You would not call a man who was head of Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works a fool. Since these are the guys who build the F117 stealth fighter. I wait and see if they can prove these metals are made by non human hands and machinery.

Alien ships and aliens bodies- who knows about that.

Senate hearings are a possibility, and i would not surprise me in the least since congressmen are learning about this for first time. They are now wanting to know more about the subject after being in dark for so long.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Tom de longe group claim they have required metals.

You keep ranting, but you can't seem to answer my questions directly.

When will it "pan out"?
A month? A year? 10 years?

gerrybbadd

King Mob wrote: »

You keep ranting, but you can't seem to answer my questions directly.

When will it "pan out"?
A month? A year? 10 years?

Sure how is he meant to answer that for you? He's not the one pulling the strings on releasing the info now, is he?

The information is being released in dribs and drabs. More so than at any other time.

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

You keep ranting, but you can't seem to answer my questions directly.

When will it "pan out"?
A month? A year? 10 years?

How am i supposed to know? You asked how will they convince non-believers and i told you how and i provided some updates on current events right now. If you don't like it, remove yourself from the thread.

I not ranting- you just want to derail another thread.

Dohnjoe

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Sure how is he meant to answer that for you? He's not the one pulling the strings on releasing the info now, is he?

The information is being released in dribs and drabs. More so than at any other time.

The info is always being released in dribs and drabs, for decades. It's always elusive. The "something big is just around the corner" market has been going for decades as well

gerrybbadd

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Sure how is he meant to answer that for you? He's not the one pulling the strings on releasing the info now, is he?

The information is being released in dribs and drabs. More so than at any other time.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

How am i supposed to know? You asked how will they convince a nob believer and i told you how and i provided some updates on current events right now. If you don't like it, remove yourself from the thread.

I not ranting- you just want to derail another thread.

So if you don't have any solid of idea when, how can you say that it will happen at all.

What I think is happening here is the same thing that happens with all ufo "researchers".
They claim something big will happen soon to sound exciting and in the know, but in reality they are just dreaming it up.
The keep in vague and constantly in the future to avoid having to be wrong.

You can't provide a solid timeline. Your claim is no different from the countless other "soons" down the years.
There's nothing going to come of this either.

Hobosan

It would be nice if these aliens would visit any other country but the United States for a change.

Are we to believe not a single alien wants to kiss the Blarney Stone?

Cheerful Spring2

King Mob wrote: »

So if you don't have any solid of idea when, how can you say that it will happen at all.

What I think is happening here is the same thing that happens with all ufo "researchers".
They claim something big will happen soon to sound exciting and in the know, but in reality they are just dreaming it up.
The keep in vague and constantly in the future to avoid having to be wrong.

You can't provide a solid timeline. Your claim is no different from the countless other "soons" down the years.
There's nothing going to come of this either.

You kind of missing the point. US government claimed offically they ended all investigations about UFO phenomenon in the 60s and we know today, this to be untrue. Officials inside the US government said this was just one of many UFO classified programs. Now you seeing Official mainstream media not laugh when the topic mentioned, they talking about it openly. The US Navy not doubting their pilots are seeing these unknown aerial vehicles that defy physics, you are! Your claiming the US navy knows less than you and your right and there wrong!

Timelines- i not going to demand this when your dealing with something weird, and kind of looks its not from this world.

Dohnjoe

Hobosan wrote: »

It would be nice if these aliens would visit any other country but the United States for a change.

Are we to believe not a single alien wants to kiss the Blarney Stone?

Nah they are much more interested in toothless Alabama farmers apparently

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Your claiming the US navy knows less than you and your right and there wrong!

No. Never claimed that.
I just don't accept your interpretation of statements and facts as you've shown a very poor level of reading comprehension and a habit of leaping to wild extrapolations about statements.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Timelines- i not going to demand this when your dealing with something weird, and kind of looks its not from this world.

And it's no different from what you fellow ufo believes were claiming 5 years ago. And 10 years ago.
And 20 years ago.
And 30...

It's always "around the corner".
It always will be because that is marketable.

Ipso

Why the big deal about congress? Harry Reid was a politician and he was up to his tits in the Bigelow circle jerk (as is Blink UFO).

Sin City

Hobosan wrote: »

It would be nice if these aliens would visit any other country but the United States for a change.

Are we to believe not a single alien wants to kiss the Blarney Stone?

Didnt they do a fly by of shannon

Cheerful Spring2

Hobosan wrote: »

It would be nice if these aliens would visit any other country but the United States for a change.

Are we to believe not a single alien wants to kiss the Blarney Stone?

UK and Ireland have multiple civilian and military sightings, but if you don't follow every case you think there nothing. Cosford and Rendlesham are the most famous UK military UFO cases. Cosford event was witnessed in Ireland and the UK, involved massive triangle large shaped craft flying over bases and towns in 1993.

Rendlesham sightings was even recorded on tape by the deputy commander of a Nato base in the UK. 17 Minutes long real time, you can hear what they experienced on tape in the 80s, when the soldiers were in the forest. It happened over three nights allegedly different things seen small triangle craft, landed, a large craft over nuclear weapons storages, lights coming in from the coast, its a mad sighting but really cool we got audio of it happening in real time, pity his recorder only records only a certain amount.

Cheerful Spring2

Sin City wrote: »

Dint the do a fly by of shannon

Interesting sightings who knows what if!

Sin City

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Interesting sightings who knows what if!

Shannon doesnt know what it was but confirmed there was something there

Hobosan

Ah but I mean a proper visit. Not just a flyover.

I mean, they probably headed home and were like, "That Earth place is no good", without experiencing a night in Coppers or Jazz Week.

Now, you could do a flyover of Detroit and surmise it's a hell hole, but a flyover of Ireland without stopping to see the Book of Kells? That's just plain rude.

They're worse tourists than the Germans.

Cheerful Spring2

Hobosan wrote: »

Ah but I mean a proper visit. Not just a flyover.

I mean, they probably headed home and were like, "That Earth place is no good", without experiencing a night in Coppers or Jazz Week.

They're worse tourists than the Germans.

I would not call Rendlesham a flyover it was witnessed by over 30 soldiers on base and the deputy commander of one the largest nato bases in Europe in 80s, he saw it and recorded it by audio. He has told his story and said went out to debunk this once and for all, and was confronted with lights dropping beams to the ground in front of him and light coming through the forest under control of some intelligence and other weird stuff all recorded near the end of the tape. A small triangle craft also landed seemed to be probe of some kind and larger bigger craft beamed some laser down onto the weapons storage area that had nuclear weapons.

Hobosan

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I would not call Rendlesham a flyover it was witnessed by over 30 soldiers on base and the deputy commander of one the largest nato bases in Europe in 80s, he saw it and recorded it by audio. He has told his story and said went out to debunk this once and for all, and was confronted with lights dropping beams to the ground in front of him and light coming through the forest under control of some intelligence and other weird stuff all recorded near the end of the tape. A small triangle craft also landed seemed to be probe of some kind and larger bigger craft beamed some laser down onto the weapons storage area that had nuclear weapons.

These guys sound positively wreckless. I don't know if they're the same bunch in the large flying triangle, but either way, we have a climate emergency to contend with and the last thing we need is foreign aircraft with who-knows-what kind of emissions polluting the atmosphere, never mind pointing lasers at volatile weapons and distracting the workforce.

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Hobosan wrote: »

These guys sound positively wreckless. I don't know if they're the same bunch in the large flying triangle, but either way, we have a climate emergency to contend with and the last thing we need is foreign aircraft with who-knows-what kind of emissions polluting the atmosphere, never mind pointing lasers at volatile weapons and distracting the workforce.

There reacting to strange weird events outside a base during the cold war. And Halt second night deployed soldiers into the forest and Col halt made a good decision to bring a recorder and record some of it on tape. There lot more to this story it happened over two confirmed nights, some say three. Halt experience was the second night, he heard the wild stories told the first night and went out to debunk it. The first night it was alleged a small craft landed in the forest, second night it was even more dramatic a large UFO and lights showed up and went over the base and started shining down beams.