Ireland's low population and insignificance

The Alpha

What's up with that? London, LITERALLY one city has twice the population of all of the republic of Ireland. Should government encourage breeding or what?
Let's look at other smaller countries that are close to Ireland
Netherlands: 17 million
Belgium: 11 million
Austria: 9 million (rugged country with most land uninhabitable)
Switzerland: 8

Is potato eating the main cause of this insignificance? The most bizarre is london being twice the size of all irelands "cities" (small towns in UK) and towns combined.

kneemos

They're expecting an extra million by 2050 or something.

No doubt schools,services,hospitals, housing etc will be playing catch up.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

London is "literally" two cities, actually. The very small City if London and the larger City of Westminster.

Stop moaning ffs

Op has 2 posts

Boards is being bombarded by the bots it seems

The Alpha

Kendrick Quick Twerp wrote: »

London is "literally" two cities, actually. The very small City if London and the larger City of Westminster.

We can exclude city of London, will not make a significant difference. One city has WAY more people than the whole country, a bit sad really.

Cienciano

Low effort.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

The Alpha wrote: »

We can exclude city of London, will not make a significant difference. One city has WAY more people than the whole country, a bit sad really.

Maybe it's London that needs to get it's act together. A fine city like that and a quarter of the population of Chongqing.

fryup

one of the positives ..of the famine

The Alpha

Cienciano wrote: »

Low effort.

Am I making facts up or should I post evidence of london and ireland populations?

Collie D

In what way is it sad? And why compare us with the UK? They don’t even rank in the top 20 populations in the world. Why not India, Pakistan or Nigeria if population is the metric you use for being significant?

Another reason why this forum should have a certain post count threshold before starting threads.

The Alpha

Kendrick Quick Twerp wrote: »

Maybe it's London that needs to get it's act together. A fine city like that and a quarter of the population of Chongqing.

UK is relevant because it is very similar to Ireland. Our lawmakers copy and paste most of the laws of the UK. You notice a huge amount of similarity between UK and Ireland in terms of everything really.
Drive on the left, power plugs, insurance system, houses, etc...

So is this a result of incompetent government who could not run this country even if their life dependet on it?

Chonqing is on the other side of the world. London is right beside us.

The Alpha

Collie D wrote: »

In what way is it sad? And why compare us with the UK? They don’t even rank in the top 20 populations in the world? Why not India, Pakistan or Nigeria if population is the metric you use for being significant?

Another reason why this forum should have a certain post count threshold before starting threads.

Economic significance is relevant too. Get the top list now. Let's compare UK with Ireland economy. Actually just take England. Even that will make Ireland look like a grain of sand.

kneemos

The Alpha wrote: »

Am I making facts up or should I post evidence of london and ireland populations?

I'm afraid you don't have a high enough post count and are obviously here to murder us in our beds.

Signore Fancy Pants

The Alpha wrote: »

Am I making facts up or should I post evidence of london and ireland populations?

Nobody gives a **** and nobody wants Ireland to turn into an over populated area just because somewhere else is.

Vic_08

The Alpha wrote: »

UK is relevant because it is very similar to Ireland. Our lawmakers copy and paste most of the laws of the UK. You notice a huge amount of similarity between UK and Ireland in terms of everything really.
Drive on the left, power plugs, insurance system, houses, etc...

So is this a result of incompetent government who could not run this country even if their life dependet on it?

Chonqing is on the other side of the world. London is right beside us.

Buy an Irish history book and do more than look at the pictures.

Collie D

The Alpha wrote: »

Economic significance is relevant too. Get the top list now. Let's compare UK with Ireland economy. Actually just take England. Even that will make Ireland look like a grain of sand.

UK GDP is less than $40k per capita
Ireland’s is over $60k

Similar enough gap in GNP numbers

You’re clutching at straws in an attempt to troll. And are talking rubbish that is easily dismissed. Want to go for third time lucky? Number of World Cups won perhaps? I’ll give you that one.

kneemos

Collie D wrote: »

UK GDP is less than $40k per capita
Ireland’s is over $60k

Similar enough gap in GNP numbers

You’re clutching at straws in an attempt to troll. And are talking rubbish that is easily dismissed. Want to go for third time lucky? Number of World Cups won perhaps? I’ll give you that one.

Per capita. What he's talking about is obviously total output.

The Alpha

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Nobody gives a **** and nobody wants Ireland to turn into an over populated area just because somewhere else is.

UK is not overpopulated. Rather an extremely well developed, efficient nation.

The Alpha

Vic_08 wrote: »

Buy an Irish history book and do more than look at the pictures.

Failed argument.

Vic_08

The Alpha wrote: »

Failed argument.

Failed Troll.

The Alpha

Collie D wrote: »

UK GDP is less than $40k per capita
Ireland’s is over $60k

Similar enough gap in GNP numbers

You’re clutching at straws in an attempt to troll. And are talking rubbish that is easily dismissed. Want to go for third time lucky? Number of World Cups won perhaps? I’ll give you that one.

Good point, lets talk about sports. British achievements vs Irish.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

What's up with that? London, LITERALLY one city has twice the population of all of the republic of Ireland. Should government encourage breeding or what?
Let's look at other smaller countries that are close to Ireland
Netherlands: 17 million
Belgium: 11 million
Austria: 9 million (rugged country with most land uninhabitable)
Switzerland: 8

Is potato eating the main cause of this insignificance? The most bizarre is london being twice the size of all irelands "cities" (small towns in UK) and towns combined.

What’s the cause of the low population? Starvation under British rule.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

UK is not overpopulated. Rather an extremely well developed, efficient nation.

Aha haha ha ha ha.

The Alpha

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What’s the cause of the low population? Starvation under British rule.

Very weird that a remote colony also a prison colony where no one wants to live of Australia has 24million humans. Hmmm, so strange. Also the colony of Canada...
But yes, Irish were starved. Should have fought then. If canadians and Australians have no excuse then Ireland definitely shouldn't

sdanseo

On a serious note Ireland's small population has been historically kept small because of two major factors, those being the roughly 50% reduction through death and emmigration around the time of the Famine (1840-45) from 8 million to 4 million, and a further million lost to continued emmigration because of the backward, isolationist and almost dictatorial reign of DeValera who if he were still alive would have probably watched his country burn for his principles.

The reason Ireland's population is growing only slowly is a lack of planning and investment in public infrastructure. Yes, we built motorways to five cities - but invested as close as makes no difference to zero in sustainable planning frameworks, and public transport infrasture in those cities.
Dublin has sprawled into an ugly and difficult to navigate beast, with an average building height so shocking low that it's cringeworthy.
There is no easy way to get around most of Ireland other than the private car which is why 90% of the growth happens in Dublin.
Meanwhile, outside of towns and cities, one off housing prevents even small-scale fundamental developments let alone larger ones. Our planning system then allows ridiculous objections to such developments to be upheld.

All of this is sustained and compounded by a parish-pump system of politics that is kept well fed by the political system, meaning that outside the cities, gombeens with no interest beyond their own townland are happy to vote in their droves for Joe Bloggs TD who fixed the local pothole but has no no capability to deliver, or even conceive, any development of a noteworthy scale bar the minimum required to get him voted back in to his €94k a year job which is almost guaranteed by that same system to be passed to his family behind him.

We are our own worst enemy.
But sure, ah it'll be grand.

The Alpha

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Aha haha ha ha ha.

Compare UK public transport and Irish.
Bahhahahahahahahahaa

Stop moaning ffs

The Alpha wrote: »

Compare UK public transport and Irish.
Bahhahahahahahahahaa

Bot account says what

The Alpha

sdanseo wrote: »

On a serious note Ireland's small population has been historically kept small because of two major factors, those being the roughly 50% reduction through death and emmigration around the time of the Famine (1840-45) from 8 million to 4 million, and a further million lost to continued emmigration because of the backward, isolationist and almost dictatorial reign of DeValera who if he were still alive would have probably watched his country burn for his principles.

The reason Ireland's population is growing only slowly is a lack of planning and investment in public infrastructure. Yes, we built motorways to five cities - but invested as close as makes no difference to zero in sustainable planning frameworks, and public transport infrasture in those cities.
Dublin has sprawled into an ugly and difficult to navigate beast, with an average building height so shocking low that it's cringeworthy.
There is no easy way to get around most of Ireland other than the private car which is why 90% of the growth happens in Dublin.
Meanwhile, outside of towns and cities, one off housing prevents even small-scale fundamental developments let alone larger ones. Our planning system then allows ridiculous objections to such developments to be upheld.

All of this is sustained and compounded by a parish-pump system of politics that is kept well fed by the political system, meaning that outside the cities, gombeens with no interest beyond their own townland are happy to vote in their droves for Joe Bloggs TD who fixed the local pothole but has no no capability to deliver, or even conceive, any development of a noteworthy scale bar the minimum required to get him voted back in to his €94k a year job which is almost guaranteed by that same system to be passed to his family behind him.

We are our own worst enemy.
But sure, ah it'll be grand.

We are not as bad as Syria, Libya or Somalia so it's fine. (Irish logjc)

Why are ye indulging the OP? Thread won't be around that much longer.

sdanseo

The Alpha wrote: »

We are not as bad as Syria, Libya or Somalia so it's fine. (Irish logjc)

You're probably a troll but you're correct.

Alas Irish logic dictates that because the pretext of the thread is what it is, it'll be locked or deleted and the actual discussion that has been started won't be able to continue after.

Bar the potato comment, the question is quite legitimate.

kneemos

How many would we have without the famine?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

Very weird that a remote colony also a prison colony where no one wants to live of Australia has 24million humans. Hmmm, so strange. Also the colony of Canada...
But yes, Irish were starved. Should have fought then. If canadians and Australians have no excuse then Ireland definitely shouldn't

None of that is weird. In fact in both places, like Ireland, the indigenous people had massive population reductions.

Anyway you asked why the population is so low. That’s why

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

Compare UK public transport and Irish.
Bahhahahahahahahahaa

The U.K. doesn’t have much public transport after ms thatcher. The train system is a disaster.

Of course with a smaller population it’s harder to scale these things.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

kneemos wrote: »

How many would we have without the famine?

Who knows. If we followed european birthrates from 8M in the early 19C then 20M plus.

The Alpha

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Who knows. If we followed european birthrates from 8M in the early 19C then 20M plus.

If the population was 20m, I would be proud. We would be a significant force globally. Now we are just a speck of dust, a shame. So much so that a Brexit will likely cause a recession in Ireland. We are like a fetus inside the UK. UK goes down, so does Ireland or barely survives like a premature birth.

nthclare

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

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Boards is being bombarded by the bots it seems

Stop moaning ffs

sdanseo

kneemos wrote: »

How many would we have without the famine?

Probably 10-15 million or more.

Even if the 1840 population was sustained to 1914, dipped during the wars and was then followed by the baby boom, you are talking 10 million or so in the 60s which would point to around 12 million now.

The chances are that in 1840-1914 the rate would have increased rather than sustained.

Collie D

OP, I’m sorry we’ve disappointed you and let you down. Myself and your mother will do our bit in populating the island.

ToddyDoody

Being so insignificant, you can get away with comments like 'yeah we're a joke of a country really', which you couldn't have convincingly said about pre Brexit UK.

Charlie19

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Bot account says what

What's this Bot account you speak of?

jimwallace197

The Alpha wrote: »

If the population was 20m, I would be proud. We would be a significant force globally. Now we are just a speck of dust, a shame. So much so that a Brexit will likely cause a recession in Ireland. We are like a fetus inside the UK. UK goes down, so does Ireland or barely survives like a premature birth.

We might be like a fetus in the uk but you are a like a skidmark here. Off to the UK with you if you think its so great.

nthclare

The Alpha wrote: »

What's up with that? London, LITERALLY one city has twice the population of all of the republic of Ireland. Should government encourage breeding or what?
Let's look at other smaller countries that are close to Ireland
Netherlands: 17 million
Belgium: 11 million
Austria: 9 million (rugged country with most land uninhabitable)
Switzerland: 8

Is potato eating the main cause of this insignificance? The most bizarre is london being twice the size of all irelands "cities" (small towns in UK) and towns combined.

Op this has to be the most funniest and dumbest posts I ever read.

A dog with a mallet up his hole would know your post is more about the state of the thinking behind the post rather than your concern for our wonderful emerald Isle.

Now if you're not happy with our ways here, you can get on your horse and feck off

noodler

The Alpha wrote: »

Very weird that a remote colony also a prison colony where no one wants to live of Australia has 24million humans. Hmmm, so strange. Also the colony of Canada...
But yes, Irish were starved. Should have fought then. If canadians and Australians have no excuse then Ireland definitely shouldn't

What are you?

Twenty Grand

The value of Irish exports is 6 times greater per person than the UK.

Sleeper12

"The first Census in 1801 revealed that the population of Great Britain was 10.5 million. In 1800, the population of Ireland was between 4.5 and 5.5 million. The 1841 UK Census counted the population of England and Wales to be 15.9 million. Ireland's population was 8.2 million in 1841."

I think the above says it all

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

The Alpha wrote: »

Very weird that a remote colony also a prison colony where no one wants to live of Australia has 24million humans. Hmmm, so strange. Also the colony of Canada...
But yes, Irish were starved. Should have fought then. If canadians and Australians have no excuse then Ireland definitely shouldn't

Now you're introducing another measure. Look at the size of those countries. Ireland has 20 times the population per sq mile of Canada and 30 times that of Australia.


Keep digging, the hole is better deeper.

Ficheall

Tim lives in a flat on his own. The Murphys next door have twenty people living in their flat. Obviously the Murphys are better.


What? :-/

fryup

Sleeper12 wrote: »

"The first Census in 1801 revealed that the population of Great Britain was 10.5 million. In 1800, the population of Ireland was between 4.5 and 5.5 million. The 1841 UK Census counted the population of England and Wales to be 15.9 million. Ireland's population was 8.2 million in 1841."

I think the above says it all

i wonder how accurate those census were back then??

Father Hernandez

What other country in the world has a national day that is celebrated by millions around the world?

kneemos

All the delicate flowers are butthurt because someone criticised the greatest little country in the world.

vladmydad

Instead of attacking the op couldn’t posters address the premise that our population has been historically stunted compared to the rest of Europe. Most European countries have populations that are many multiples of their 1900 numbers, whilst ours isn’t much different.