Looking for white round junction box for ceiling

Lex Luthor

I want to hang 2 lights in our dining room directly over the dining table but the current position of the electrical connection in the ceiling is about 1.5foot away from the place I'd prefer and I'd have to go through 2 ceiling joists with the wiring to get to the ideal locations

They are 2 separate lights to my idea is to wire into the current location using a blank white round ceiling box and then drill 2 small holes in the sides of the box to run cable out across the ceiling and then drop them using small hooks over the lighting points (2 locations) - hope I explained that right

Would preferably want something that is blank, something around the size of the pull switches you get in bathrooms for showers, but without all the pull switch etc

Searching all morning online and struggling to get something nice enough, don't want to just get a jct box and it looks then like a jct box on the ceiling

would like it at least to look like a ceiling rose of sorts

any help appreciated

thanks

laros

we have one of these over a table and im planning on adding in some more. https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/p/gothem-cord-set-dark-grey-40326643/

Spocker

Is this what you're after? https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MK1132W.html



Print out the pic, or have it on your phone and go to an electrical wholesalers, they will sell you one

keithdub

You could use a round back box and a flat plate and just use connectors in it. It will be flush with the ceiling and not that noticeable

Lex Luthor

Spocker wrote: »

Is this what you're after? https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MK1132W.html



Print out the pic, or have it on your phone and go to an electrical wholesalers, they will sell you one

I found this today in B&Q
Would probably do the trick apart from the numbers embossed into the plate
If all else fails it will have to do
Thanks

Lex Luthor

Something like this would be ideal

https://www.creative-cables.co.uk/metal-ceiling-roses/14171-white-metal-120-mm-ceiling-rose-kit-with-4-side-holes-accessories-included-8057730660778.html

DublinDilbert

Why not make it decorative rather than try hide, you can get ceiling roses that have two cable exits, then use some coloured cable. You might even be able to open up the hole in a standard ceiling rose and use some fabric covered cable.

https://images.app.goo.gl/WNWHhcpEPrqT9DnA6

Lex Luthor

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Why not make it decorative rather than try hide, you can get ceiling roses that have two cable exits, then use some coloured cable. You might even be able to open up the hole in a standard ceiling rose and use some fabric covered cable.

https://images.app.goo.gl/WNWHhcpEPrqT9DnA6

something like this could work, we have a breakfast counter that needs lighting aswell that could be the 3rd light if needed.

Would probably prefer it not to have the cable hanging or looping that much though but definitely will look at it
thanks

Lex Luthor

Came across a few different options through ebay, etc

One crowd on ebay in the UK do wooden ones various sizes but don't supply the brackets...bit pricey as no bracket and might struggle to get one that fits

Creative Cables have a huge selection and will ship, all come with brackets etc

Nothing in Ireland at all, crazy!!!!

Stoner

Lex Luthor wrote:

Nothing in Ireland at all, crazy!!!!

https://www.handyhardware.ie/product/22978/White-20-Amp-4-Terminal-Heavy-Duty-Junction-Box?gclid=Cj0KCQjwj_XpBRCCARIsAItJiuSsXcu_l_ZDiRUqV-WClVa7rmigcgvsVuxeajiHJDgOwXEyGXydBL0aAmz-EALw_wcB

Stoner

You can get a plastic insert to blank the screw cover

Lex Luthor

Stoner wrote: »

https://www.handyhardware.ie/product/22978/White-20-Amp-4-Terminal-Heavy-Duty-Junction-Box?gclid=Cj0KCQjwj_XpBRCCARIsAItJiuSsXcu_l_ZDiRUqV-WClVa7rmigcgvsVuxeajiHJDgOwXEyGXydBL0aAmz-EALw_wcB

Thanks for the link, looks very similar to the MK one posted above

I'd like to see if I can get something without the numbering on the cover

Stoner

Sorry I thought it had no numbering

Edit

I see it there alright now.

Dremel ?

policarp

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I want to hang 2 lights in our dining room directly over the dining table but the current position of the electrical connection in the ceiling is about 1.5foot away from the place I'd prefer and I'd have to go through 2 ceiling joists with the wiring to get to the ideal locations

They are 2 separate lights to my idea is to wire into the current location using a blank white round ceiling box and then drill 2 small holes in the sides of the box to run cable out across the ceiling and then drop them using small hooks over the lighting points (2 locations) - hope I explained that right

Would preferably want something that is blank, something around the size of the pull switches you get in bathrooms for showers, but without all the pull switch etc

Searching all morning online and struggling to get something nice enough, don't want to just get a jct box and it looks then like a jct box on the ceiling

would like it at least to look like a ceiling rose of sorts

any help appreciated

thanks

Do you have access from overhead?

Lex Luthor

policarp wrote: »

Do you have access from overhead?

Not really

Main bedroom with wooden floors
Just did not fancy lifting the floor boards

Lex Luthor

now toying with the idea of putting in a false ceiling about 15mm below the ceiling that will be about 1200x1200 in size

It will cover the existing hole in celing where the current light hangs from and extend over the table and I can then run the cables above it, between it and ceiling and drop down from wherever I want with min fuss & hassle

Paint it then the colour of the ceiling and should not stick out too much

keithdub

It might be cheaper just to cut square holes where needed and than patch with the square cutouts and patch them. You would want to be a good taper and jointer to make a suspended ceiling look good

Lex Luthor

keithdub wrote: »

It might be cheaper just to cut square holes where needed and than patch with the square cutouts and patch them. You would want to be a good taper and jointer to make a suspended ceiling look good

prob right, just toying with it, don't think I have that level of skill to make it pretty

dodzy

Just notch the 2 joists on the underside, run the lighting extension cable and fill/sand later. Easier than you think and can be finished to give a very difficult to spot result. Best option by far.

mikeymouse

dodzy wrote: »

Just notch the 2 joists on the underside, run the lighting extension cable and fill/sand later. Easier than you think and can be finished to give a very difficult to spot result. Best option by far.

Do not do this!
link

Lex Luthor

Going to go with 2 j boxes with side entries

One cable out of one box to over centre of table
Then 2 cables out of box opposite each other to the points where lights will be dropped

Cables will run across ceiling but short runs so hopefully won’t look too bad

keithdub

It just sounds so wrong all surface cable and j.bs on your ceiling. If you were going for an industrial look maybe some conduit. If not definitely go with the patch and repair job. Just make a big 6"x6" opening under the joists and drill s hole for your wire. Easy peasy

dodzy

mikeymouse wrote: »

Do not do this!
link

Drama queen. 1.5sq cable notch is hardly going to disrupt the joist integrity. Surface mounted boxes of any description with protruding wires will look poor, any way you slice it.

Lex Luthor

keithdub wrote: »

It just sounds so wrong all surface cable and j.bs on your ceiling. If you were going for an industrial look maybe some conduit. If not definitely go with the patch and repair job. Just make a big 6"x6" opening under the joists and drill s hole for your wire. Easy peasy

How would you make the 6x6 hole under joist?

Calahonda52

Lex Luthor wrote: »

How would you make the 6x6 hole under joist?

Two ways: easier one is with a multi tool: much neater job, also good for cutting the notches
Second one is with a jab saw or a strong pad saw.
mark out the hole, drill 10 mm holes at each corner, inside the lines and cut along the lines.
The vacuum cleaner nozzle adjacent to the blade will reduce the dirt/dust

antiskeptic

dodzy wrote: »

Just notch the 2 joists on the underside, run the lighting extension cable and fill/sand later. Easier than you think and can be finished to give a very difficult to spot result. Best option by far.

Why would you even have to notch the joist? The plasterboard is thicker than the cable. Lay the cable over the joist and fill it afterwards.

Calahonda52

antiskeptic wrote: »

Why would you even have to notch the joist? The plasterboard is thicker than the cable. Lay the cable over the joist and fill it afterwards.

Technical point, such a solution fails the fire regs

keithdub

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Lex Luthor wrote: »

How would you make the 6x6 hole under joist?

Two ways: easier one is with a multi tool: much neater job, also good for cutting the notches
Second one is with a jab saw or a strong pad saw.
mark out the hole, drill 10 mm holes at
each corner, inside the lines and cut
along the lines.
The vacuum cleaner nozzle adjacent to the blade will reduce the dirt/dust

Bang on

Lex Luthor

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Two ways: easier one is with a multi tool: much neater job, also good for cutting the notches
Second one is with a jab saw or a strong pad saw.
mark out the hole, drill 10 mm holes at each corner, inside the lines and cut along the lines.
The vacuum cleaner nozzle adjacent to the blade will reduce the dirt/dust

what about the small saw from this set?
https://www.aldi.ie/workzone-saw-set/p/016900297749300

Do the job for cutting out the square hole?

I presume the section that is cut out can be re-used for patching back up again?

Calahonda52

Yes it will, the patching will be a bit more with this than the multi tool.
you need to be aware of where the wires are.
for patching you can consider fitting some piece of 2 by 1 or less inside/across the hole to allow you screw the piece back with the correct screws, or use something like no nails

Lex Luthor

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Yes it will, the patching will be a bit more with this than the multi tool.
you need to be aware of where the wires are.
for patching you can consider fitting some piece of 2 by 1 or less inside/across the hole to allow you screw the piece back with the correct screws, or use something like no nails

cheers thanks for the advice & tips

Had a quick measure this morning and might only need to go through one joist

Lex Luthor

Job done this morning
not as much of a headache as I thought
Patch up for the holes still t be done but happy with the results

laros

Is the Black thing in the corner your hole to be patched... ? if so ... it looks well...

Lex Luthor

laros wrote: »

Is the Black thing in the corner your hole to be patched... ? if so ... it looks well...

No that’s a speaker I have in the ceiling wired back to a stereo

The patch that needs to be fixed isn’t in the pic

Spocker

Lex Luthor wrote: »

No that’s a speaker I have in the ceiling wired back to a stereo

The patch that needs to be fixed isn’t in the pic

Aww, now we want to see what needs to be patched... :P

Lex Luthor

Spocker wrote: »

Aww, now we want to see what needs to be patched... :P

I’ll take a pic tomorrow and post before I start to repair

laros

No that’s a speaker I have in the ceiling wired back to a stereo

Thats what i thought... :P

Lex Luthor

Pre patch pictures

heffo500

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Pre patch pictures

Did you embed those cables in the filler?

Lex Luthor

heffo500 wrote: »

Did you embed those cables in the filler?

Partially, notched out a bit of the joist

Murphys law with that knot, drilled out the 73mm hole and happened to be right on the joist where a big knot was and the one clout nail holding up the plasterboard for that area

Should be ok, ?

dodzy

Poxt stippling - can never be matched. Whoever came up with the idea all them yrs ago should have been burned at the stake.

Lex Luthor

dodzy wrote: »

Poxt stippling - can never be matched. Whoever came up with the idea all them yrs ago should have been burned at the stake.

tell me about it, its either too smooth or too much stippling, its not easy, its done now and painted over

mloc123

dodzy wrote: »

Poxt stippling - can never be matched. Whoever came up with the idea all them yrs ago should have been burned at the stake.

It was a cheap solution at the time afaik, easier and quicker to do instead of skimming.