Leaf 3.3kw or 6.6kw?

obi604

Hi

Undecided on something with buying a gen 1.5 Nissan Leaf - between the 3.3 or 6.6 onboard charger.

Anyone have any comments on this? Is it worthwhile trying to find a 6.6

n97 mini

6.6 definitely. Means you'll never be stuck, just delayed. 6.6 will add over 30% per hour.

KCross

Like most things, better to have it than be looking for it but it will significantly reduce the pool of cars you have to choose from.

Its main benefit, I think, is when you get home on low charge and know you need to go out again that night.... 6.6kW make a big difference in that case.

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

Hi

Undecided on something with buying a gen 1.5 Nissan Leaf - between the 3.3 or 6.6 onboard charger.

Anyone have any comments on this? Is it worthwhile trying to find a 6.6

If most of your charging is done at night then it will make little difference.



If you have to use slow chargers or home charger during the day on a regular basis then it will help.....


If you get a good 3.3 and a less good 6.6 then dont let it stop you buying the 3.3....if that makes sense...remember it doesnt affect your fast charging......

obi604

Thanks for replies so far.

Does anyone know offhand how much it costs to bring a potential Leaf purchase to a main Nissan dealer and have them do a ‘health check’ on the battery. (Gen 1.5, 24kw)

n97 mini

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks for replies so far.

Does anyone know offhand how much it costs to bring a potential Leaf purchase to a main Nissan dealer and have them do a ‘health check’ on the battery. (Gen 1.5, 24kw)

How long is a piece of string.

But you don't need to. On a basic level look at the indicated range when it's charged to 100%. If it says 160+ km happy days, battery health is close to 100%. If it says 140km it's around 85%. LeafSpy (and an OBD dongle) will give you a little bit more detail but the indicated range at 100% charge is a good enough indicator if you're enquiring over the phone.

obi604

n97 mini wrote: »

How long is a piece of string.

But you don't need to. On a basic level look at the indicated range when it's charged to 100%. If it says 160+ km happy days, battery health is close to 100%. If it says 140km it's around 85%. LeafSpy (and an OBD dongle) will give you a little bit more detail but the indicated range at 100% charge is a good enough indicator if you're enquiring over the phone.

Oh ok. I thought the dealers would have some kind of a standard price to get the battery checked out.

Shefwedfan

obi604 wrote: »

Oh ok. I thought the dealers would have some kind of a standard price to get the battery checked out.

Nah adhoc service so they could charge you whatever they want

You can buy the connector and do it yourself

Or pay a set fee to Nissan to review a car before buying

Or best, just buy from like of electric auto, next ecocars and they will sort all for you....you pay a margin but you know you are getting a decent car

obi604

n97 mini wrote: »

How long is a piece of string.

But you don't need to. On a basic level look at the indicated range when it's charged to 100%. If it says 160+ km happy days, battery health is close to 100%. If it says 140km it's around 85%. LeafSpy (and an OBD dongle) will give you a little bit more detail but the indicated range at 100% charge is a good enough indicator if you're enquiring over the phone.

This dongle thing, can you send me a link to the device as not sure of what I need.

What does this dongle interact with? The leafspy on a smartphone. How is the connection achieved between dongle and smartphone?

Does it work on iOS and Android?

Rafal

With a 3-year ownership of a 161 Leaf 30kWh behind belt, definitely 6.6.

obi604

Rafal wrote: »

With a 3-year ownership of a 161 Leaf 30kWh behind belt, definitely 6.6.

Another vote for 6.6

Why, just handiness, is it?

McGiver

It's a practical thing, gives you much more flexibility and less hassle when travelling outside.

I bought 3.3 as I couldn't wait for 6.6 (they are harder to get) and I slightly regret.

It's not a big deal but it's very practical for places where fast chargers are scarce. Slow 7 kW+ chargers are 10 times more common than fast chargers especially off major routes.

Example:
Suppose you arrive at a place with 30% battery and you need 70% to get back, and there's no fast charger around. With 3.3 you'll have to wait 3.5 hours to charge to 80% (just in case) from a slow charger, but with the 6.6 just an hour and a bit. Actually you may not even decide to undertake such journey with the 3.3 due to too much hassle but it would be doable with the 6.6, you could charge during a lunch etc.

obi604

McGiver wrote: »

It's a practical thing, gives you much more flexibility and less hassle when travelling outside.

I bought 3.3 as I couldn't wait for 6.6 (they are harder to get) and I slightly regret.

It's not a big deal but it's very practical for places where fast chargers are scarce. Slow 7 kW+ chargers are 10 times more common than fast chargers especially off major routes.

Example:
Suppose you arrive at a place with 30% battery and you need 70% to get back, and there's no fast charger around. With 3.3 you'll have to wait 4.5 hours to charge from a slow charger, but with the 6.6 just 2 hours and a bit. Actually you may not even decide to undertake such journey with the 3.3 due to too much hassle but it would be doable with the 6.6, you could charge during a lunch etc.

Good info and examples. Thank you.

slave1

If looking to bring in from the UK then the 6.6 is an expensive option of £1.1k back in 2016 so you won't find many of them.
We've a 3.3 for 2.5 years and it's never been an issue as we charge 99% of the time at home.

If you are planning on using the public infrastructure then you have a different conundrum as the 6.6 is twice as fast on AC chargers but you really should not be relying on public charging as it's brutal

McGiver

obi604 wrote:

Good info and examples. Thank you.

Sorry corrected my numbers there in the example, you wouldn't be charging to 100% if you need 70% tomorrow get back but the whole idea is the same - half time required. Hour and a half is a huge difference to 3 hours. Lunch break vs a really long wait.

McGiver

slave1 wrote:

If you are planning on using the public infrastructure then you have a different conundrum as the 6.6 is twice as fast on AC chargers but you really should not be relying on public charging as it's brutal

I agree but let me give you an example.

I charge 95% at home but let's say I want to go somewhere out.

I'm in Galway and if I want to go to say Connemara, it's a huge hassle with the 3.3 unless I can stay overnight or the whole day charging somewhere. There's zero fast chargers West of Galway City but plenty slow chargers. With the 6.6 such trip would be doable in L24. That's a huge added flexibility, basically a difference between going somewhere or not.

Basically the smaller the car battery the more important it is to have faster AC charger. Look at Zoe 22kW AC charger that's really handy with the current state of the network, even for the 50kW battery version.

Calahonda52

obi604 wrote: »

Another vote for 6.6

Why, just handiness, is it?

Faster: eg when I shop in Lidl, c 30 mins: = 3.3 rather than 1.65...
When I charge there very early morning while I go for a walk: 6.6 vs 3.3.
It, if you have the time, with a bit of planning, gives a pretty fast charge without the downside of the FCP

unkel

Depends on the price difference. I would be inclined to single out a few 3.3kW cars and negotiate really hard (with the argument that 3.3kW is crap and nobody wants one). If I could get a 142 with 3.3kW for €8k while a similar 6.6kW was €9k, I would go for the slower charging one myself

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Faster: eg when I shop in Lidl, c 30 mins: = 3.3 rather than 1.65...
When I charge there very early morning while I go for a walk: 6.6 vs 3.3.
It, if you have the time, with a bit of planning, gives a pretty fast charge without the downside of the FCP

Do you really go to the bother of plugging your car in for 30 minutes to save €0.25???

obi604

unkel wrote: »

Depends on the price difference. I would be inclined to single out a few 3.3kW cars and negotiate really hard (with the argument that 3.3kW is crap and nobody wants one). If I could get a 142 with 3.3kW for €8k while a similar 6.6kW was €9k, I would go for the slower charging one myself



Do you really go to the bother of plugging your car in for 30 minutes to save €0.25???

Thanks unkel. I presume the prices you state are only examples............the ones I’m looking at are more like 10/11K+ for 2013/2014

McGiver

unkel wrote:

Do you really go to the bother of plugging your car in for 30 minutes to save €0.25???

I think it's not about the money but extra range, which you may need in unexpected circumstances for example. Gives you extra flexibility. Other than that you're right from monetary point of view

obi604

me buying this leaf is a lot about cost saving.
Id prefer a 6.6 but a 3.3 would probably do the trick. I work from home a lot, round trip to work is 50km.
school is about 2k away, weekly big shop about 30km round trip
wife has a diesel car also.

I was even at the stage of getting a gen 1, but I just dont like the cream interior and the fact that the gen 1.5 seems to have loads of improvements

so kinda leaning back to 3.3 again

obi604

Boom

unkel

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks unkel. I presume the prices you state are only examples............the ones I’m looking at are more like 10/11K+ for 2013/2014

I've posted several €9k 141 Leaf SV cars from reputable dealers (like electricautos.ie) with warranty over the last few months.

Some private sellers are asking way over the odds as obviously Nissan main dealers do. And some people are prepared to pay thousands more for the SVE model (highest spec). I wouldn't.

The key to getting a good deal is doing lots of surveying and then hard negotiating :cool:

McGiver

obi604 wrote:

me buying this leaf is a lot about cost saving. Id prefer a 6.6 but a 3.3 would probably do the trick. I work from home a lot, round trip to work is 50km. school is about 2k away, weekly big shop about 30km round trip wife has a diesel car also.

If it's about saving money only then go for a good deal 3.3. 6.6 costs more but it's a convenient thing. You pay for convenience.

obi604

unkel wrote: »

I've posted several €9k 141 Leaf SV cars from reputable dealers (like electricautos.ie) with warranty over the last few months.

Some private sellers are asking way over the odds as obviously Nissan main dealers do. And some people are prepared to pay thousands more for the SVE model (highest spec). I wouldn't.

The key to getting a good deal is doing lots of surveying and then hard negotiating :cool:

Thanks. I can’t recall any 141 Leafs for 9k though.

unkel

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks. I can’t recall any 141 Leafs for 9k though.

Have a look at the EV bargains thread. I personally posted a few in the last 6 months or so.

obi604

unkel wrote: »

Have a look at the EV bargains thread. I personally posted a few in the last 6 months or so.

Thank you. Just looking around now though, does not seem to be many 14’s for 9k.

KCross

obi604 wrote: »

Thank you. Just looking around now though, does not seem to be many 14’s for 9k.

You'd probably need to go back to 2013 to get a €9k Leaf now.

obi604

KCross wrote: »

You'd probably need to go back to 2013 to get a €9k Leaf now.

Looks like it. Why the increase in value? (Just as I start thinking to buy)))))

KCross

obi604 wrote: »

Looks like it. Why the increase in value? (Just as I start thinking to buy)))))

Supply and Demand. Prices are going up, not down.

obi604

Nana of 5, it sure what you are at, but you keep pasting in a very long text thread meant for another thread.

Edit: ignore.

obi604

I know a gen 1.5 leaf has 12 'bars'

100/12 = 8.33. So each bar equals 8.33%. so in theory when the first bar goes, you would be down to 91.66%

However, I think I read somewhere else that its not like this - especially for the first bar......that it holds more of a value than 8.33%, any comments?

KCross

Battery degradation isnt linear so the bars arent either.
First bar is 15%, subsequent bars are about 6.25% each.

slave1

...leaving 16.25% when all bars gone (as batteries cannot be fully depleted)

obi604

KCross wrote: »

Battery degradation isnt linear so the bars arent either.
First bar is 15%, subsequent bars are about 6.25% each.

Good to know. Thank you. So even if a car is showing all bars on the dash, the actual health could be 86%

slave1

Exactly

McGiver

obi604 wrote:

Good to know. Thank you. So even if a car is showing all bars on the dash, the actual health could be 86%

You need the dongle and the leafspy app.
Or look at the GOM range at 100% SOC and divide that by 160. That will give you approximately the battery health in %.
Experts to confirm if GOM can be reset or tampered with.

obi604

McGiver wrote: »

You need the dongle and the leafspy app.
Or look at the GOM range at 100% SOC and divide that by 160. That will give you approximately the battery health in %.
Experts to confirm if GOM can be reset or tampered with.

What’s GOM and SOC?

When asking someone for a picture of the car fully, is it best to say DO NOT bother pressing the ‘eco’ button

slave1

Guess O Meter, where the car estimates current range left in car relative to recent driving style

State of Charge, 72% means the batteries are 72% charged

obi604

obi604 wrote: »

This dongle thing, can you send me a link to the device as not sure of what I need.

What does this dongle interact with? The leafspy on a smartphone. How is the connection achieved between dongle and smartphone?

Does it work on iOS and Android?

Any comments on this?

Gumbo

obi604 wrote: »

Looks like it. Why the increase in value? (Just as I start thinking to buy)))))

I sold my 141 in January for 11k. Paid 9980 for it in 2017.

obi604

kceire wrote: »

I sold my 141 in January for 11k. Paid 9980 for it in 2017.

Now that is nice, to MAKE money when selling a car after owning it for nearly 2 years.

obi604

Are the 24 kw and 30kw leaf the same horsepower?

McGiver

obi604 wrote:

Are the 24 kw and 30kw leaf the same horsepower?

Yes. The only difference is the battery capacity

obi604

McGiver wrote: »

Yes. The only difference is the battery capacity

Thank you.
What about the latest ones? More bhp?

McGiver

obi604 wrote:

Thank you. What about the latest ones? More bhp?

Yes, 110 vs 148. It's on Wikipedia...

blobert

Is there any easy way to tell if a Leaf has 3 or 6kw charger on board?

Can you tell from menus? Or will leafspy tell you?

KCross

blobert wrote: »

Is there any easy way to tell if a Leaf has 3 or 6kw charger on board?

Can you tell from menus? Or will leafspy tell you?

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