Why are women allowed to smoke while pregnant?

ZilkyG

Isn't this damaging?

branie2

It's damaging, and incredibly stupid in my opinion, and I'm sure others will agree.

Sky King

It's when the women start to smoke during sex you should get worried.

The solution of course, is to slow down a bit and use lubricant.

Potential-Monke

Because cigarettes make too much money for the gubbermint and the powerful people connected to it, so banning them outright or enforcing smoking bans, even on pregnant women, will be detrimental to their bank balances.

Tipsy McSwagger

ZilkyG wrote: »

Isn't this damaging?

Ask your mother.

ZilkyG

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Ask your mother.

Wow! Aren't you just the funniest?

jay1988

Their body, their choice?

Not that I agree with women smoking while pregnant, I don't think anybody has any right to step in and stop them.

Oasis1974

Those E cigs are grand though so no harm being done.

fatknacker

Why are women even allowed to do anything?

Badly Drunk Boy

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Those E cigs are grand though so no harm being done.

First they were vaping the cannabis, now they're vaping the E...

Del2005

jay1988 wrote: »

Their body, their choice?

What about the baby they are growing, does that not get a choice? Do you think that smoking around others is OK? Because smoking while pregnant is forcing another person to smoke.

xzanti

Personally it turns my stomach to see it.

I've heard it said however that the stress of not smoking for the mother could be just as hazardous for the baby as actually smoking.

Who knows.

BarryD2

Sure and ban the drinking as well while you're at it - all that alcohol in the system can't be good for the new baba. Problem is that you can put bans on these sort of things but you can never implement them, so they're worthless.

Osborne

Del2005 wrote: »

What about the baby they are growing, does that not get a choice? Do you think that smoking around others is OK? Because smoking while pregnant is forcing another person to smoke.

The poster literally answers your question in the very post you quoted. You only quoted half of it. Weird.

jay1988

Del2005 wrote: »

What about the baby they are growing, does that not get a choice? Do you think that smoking around others is OK? Because smoking while pregnant is forcing another person to smoke.

If you had read the rest of my post you'd see I've already said I don't agree with it but we have full bodily autonomy these days so its not my place or anybody else's to tell any woman what she can or can't do, pregnant or not.

Oasis1974

There mostly from a certain social level the women who smoke while pregnant. I mean let's say you'd see breaded chicken in their trolleys in the local supermarket.

xzanti

Oasis1974 wrote: »

There mostly from a certain social level the women who smoke while pregnant. I mean let's say you'd see breaded chicken in their trolleys in the local supermarket.

I bet they can't use their/there/they're properly either.

Peasants.

jay1988

Oasis1974 wrote: »

There mostly from a certain social level the women who smoke while pregnant. I mean let's say you'd see breaded chicken in their trolleys in the local supermarket.

what a dickish post, anyways what type of creep is walking around supermarkets to see what certain people have in their trolleys?

Osborne

Oasis1974 wrote: »

There mostly from a certain social level the women who smoke while pregnant. I mean let's say you'd see breaded chicken in their trolleys in the local supermarket.

Even the cornfed, organic chicken goujons from Donnybrook Fair? Fcuk.

SteM

Always shocked when I'm on the bus going past the combe and see heavily pregnant women standing outside in their dressing gowns smoking.

Oasis1974

jay1988 wrote: »

what a dickish post, anyways what type of creep is walking around supermarkets to see what certain people have in their trolleys?

Me there's no chicken at all in those things aswell I nearly hold my nose passing some of them.

Charles Babbage

Sky King wrote: »

It's when the women start to smoke during sex you should get worried.

The solution of course, is to slow down a bit and use lubricant.

You'd have sex with a smoker? That's sad.

xzanti

SteM wrote: »

Always shocked when I'm on the bus going past the combe and see heavily pregnant women standing outside in their dressing gowns smoking.

It's disgusting. Empty goujon trays littered around them too. Scum.

volchitsa

ZilkyG wrote: »

Isn't this damaging?

So having tried to ban breastfeeding women from the public sphere, the OP now wants to control pregnant women.

Given the direction he's headed, will his next OP suggest women shouldn't be allowed to use contraception without the man's permission? Or shouldn't be allowed to refuse sex to a man?

RhubarbCrumble

I don't agree with smoking while pregnant (for what it's worth, I'm neither a mother or a smoker) but asking why women are 'allowed' to smoke while pregnant?

How exactly do you plan to police them OP?

TheValeyard

Under his eye

spurious

TheValeyard wrote: »

Under his eye

Praise Be.

Why are men allowed drink alcohol when some of them become violent and beat people up?

OP trolling away in Parenting too.

Graces7

ZilkyG wrote: »

Isn't this damaging?

extremely damaging. deprives of oxygen .

Their bodies. Their choice.

MrFresh

I'd like to see some civil suits brought by children affected by women who smoke, drink or do drugs while pregnant. There should also be a big information campaign about the potential side effects on children so nobody is in any doubt what they are doing.

facehugger99

Being pregnant is both stressful and incredibly uncool.

Smoking helps with both.

Schwanz

Speaking from experience of having the other half doing this during the 9mths, 4times - I didn't like it but you know what it was her choice and to take that away from her we'd be living in a Saudi Arabian like society.

IAMAMORON

MrFresh wrote: »

I'd like to see some civil suits brought by children affected by women who smoke, drink or do drugs while pregnant. There should also be a big information campaign about the potential side effects on children so nobody is in any doubt what they are doing.

I would like to see mandatory nude Saturday's on Grafton Street.

Looking forward to parents letting their 6 year old kids know that they feel guilty because they suspect that 6 years before their adolescence commences they may be the victim of an old wives tale.

" Don't worry baby, only another 12 years until you can sue my sorry ass"

" mummy I hate you so much, if you didn't smoke I would be a good looking and a brunette, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you "

Can the afflicted children apply for free legal aid immediately or should they wait until they can successfully divorce their parents when they become 18?

pinktoe

It's keeps the baby small so less chance of a tear.

MrFresh

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I would like to see mandatory nude Saturday's on Grafton Street.

Looking forward to parents letting their 6 year old kids know that they feel guilty because they suspect that 6 years before their adolescence commences they may be the victim of an old wives tale.

" Don't worry baby, only another 12 years until you can sue my sorry ass"

" mummy I hate you so much, if you didn't smoke I would be a good looking and a brunette, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you "

Can the afflicted children apply for free legal aid immediately or should they wait until they can successfully divorce their parents when they become 18?

I take it you've never heard of foetal alcohol syndrome. It's hardly an old wives tale.

IAMAMORON

MrFresh wrote: »

I take it you've never heard of foetal alcohol syndrome. It's hardly an old wives tale.

As it happens I haven't, thanks for the update. Are you my dad by any chance? I don't actually know, mum won't tell me who my dad is. I want to sue that bastard for being an alco, Mummy says she never smoked ever and that she only drinks vodka at Christmas.

ToddyDoody

Just try and stop her, especially if you happen to be a man.

MrFresh

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As it happens I haven't, thanks for the update. Are you my dad by any chance? I don't actually know, mum won't tell me who my dad is. I want to sue that bastard for being an alco, Mummy says she never smoked ever and that she only drinks vodka at Christmas.

That's some response to being wrong. Maybe you should look into f.a.s. a bit more.

IAMAMORON

MrFresh wrote: »

That's some response to being wrong. Maybe you should look into f.a.s. a bit more.

Looking forward to the supreme court debating the change up of the constitution to disable women taking drugs, drinking and/or smoking while pregnant. Sublime suggestion btw. Your a solicitors' wet dream.

Any other ground breaking social norms you would like to enforce?

Strumms

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Because cigarettes make too much money for the gubbermint and the powerful people connected to it, so banning them outright or enforcing smoking bans, even on pregnant women, will be detrimental to their bank balances.

This, smoking as well as causing untold misery to people, families puts a gigantic burden on the health system.

There is no compelling argument for allowing smoking. It is a product mass produced that can kill you, diminish your quality of life, burden you, your family, cause financial difficulty and the manufacturers of this product design it with ingredients that make it hard to give up its addictive quality.

A responsible government or a gang thereof ie. The EU could if they wanted to... ban it, but no. It’s an easy target as a revenue maker, but it needs to be, based on what it’s costing the state, ie. US

MrFresh

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Looking forward to the supreme court debating the change up of the constitution to disable women taking drugs, drinking and/or smoking while pregnant. Sublime suggestion btw. Your a solicitors' wet dream.

Any other ground breaking social norms you would like to enforce?

Why would the SC be disabling women taking drugs while pregnant? What does that even mean?

IAMAMORON

MrFresh wrote: »

Why would the SC be disabling women taking drugs while pregnant? What does that even mean?

Looking forward to victims of foetal alcohol syndrome surviving on the compensatory blood they procure from a stone.... Or who do you suggest pays for it? That's of course assuming that mummy can't afford the payout, unless she takes out a pre-conception insurance policy? Any thoughts?

leitrim4life

Del2005 wrote: »

What about the baby they are growing, does that not get a choice? Do you think that smoking around others is OK? Because smoking while pregnant is forcing another person to smoke.

It's not a baby, it's a clump of cells. We had a vote on it recently.

CoBo55

leitrim4life wrote: »

It's not a baby, it's a clump of cells. We had a vote on it recently.

Ooohh this should be good.. better than that super 8's ****e...

MrFresh

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Looking forward to victims of foetal alcohol syndrome surviving on the compensatory blood they procure from a stone.... Or who do you suggest pays for it? That's of course assuming that mummy can't afford the payout, unless she takes out a pre-conception insurance policy? Any thoughts?

Courts can decide what is fair if they agree with the case. There's unlikely to be many social welfare recipients before the courts but all it takes is one case to send a ripple. Sure people stopped vaccinating their kids based on less.

IAMAMORON

MrFresh wrote: »

Courts can decide what is fair if they agree with the case. There's unlikely to be many social welfare recipients before the courts but all it takes is one case to send a ripple. Sure people stopped vaccinating their kids based on less.

Your bang on here.... You are all over this argument in fairness.

Igotadose

xzanti wrote: »

Personally it turns my stomach to see it.

I've heard it said however that the stress of not smoking for the mother could be just as hazardous for the baby as actually smoking.

Who knows.

Oh, the doctors know. What you're saying you heard is nothing more than an old wives tale promulgated by smoking addicts. https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/quitting-smoking-vaping/answers-8-common-questions-about-smoking-and-pregnancy is one of many places talking about smoking and pregnancy. Summary: quit.

Pauliedragon

When my ex worked in pubs she used to refuse to serve booze to pregnant women. A lot of heated conversations were had. She revels in conflict though.

Thelonious Monk

You may as well be asking why are women allowed to have babies at all if they don't have the means to look after them and will obviously be unfit parents?
It's an age old question.

Some Yoke

Damn patriarchy trying to stop a health risk to children

FishOnABike

volchitsa wrote: »

So having tried to ban breastfeeding women from the public sphere, the OP now wants to control pregnant women.

Given the direction he's headed, will his next OP suggest women shouldn't be allowed to use contraception without the man's permission? Or shouldn't be allowed to refuse sex to a man?

Blessed be the fruit.