Is Irish better taught in the schools now?

Ubbquittious

There is no shortage of people saying Irish was badly taught back in the day I just wonder has it improved in recent years? Would youngsters coming out of primary school be able to speak better Irish than the ones who emerged 10 or 20 years ago?

Edgware

Me nil fhios agam ta tu Le do thoil

amcalester

I don't think the curriculum has changed so I'd guess it hasn't.

Probably still learning Peig and Fear Lasta Lampai.

Ubbquittious

amcalester wrote: »

I don't think the curriculum has changed so I'd guess it hasn't.

Probably still learning Peig and Fear Lasta Lampai.

I dont remember having to do them and it was 20 years ago. The crowd before me did have Peig though

L1011

amcalester wrote: »

I don't think the curriculum has changed so I'd guess it hasn't.

Probably still learning Peig and Fear Lasta Lampai.

Peig was binned a very long time ago; the initial replacements weren't vastly better though.

Still taught in the wrong way - needs to be taught as a foreign language. I have better Spanish than Irish from doing it for a fraction of the time in school; arguably I've better German from doing it for a year vs 14 years!

Elemonator

Whole thing needs to move towards spoken classes rather than written imo.

setanta1000

amcalester wrote: »

I don't think the curriculum has changed so I'd guess it hasn't.

Probably still learning Peig and Fear Lasta Lampai.

Peig was never taught in primary school (as the OP was talking about Primary school students).

Anecdotally I think the teaching methods in Primary have certainly improved but learning any language where you don't get a chance to use and practice it every day outside of school is going to be to be tough

amcalester

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I dont remember having to do them and it was 20 years ago. The crowd before me did have Peig though

L1011 wrote: »

Peig was binned a very long time ago; the initial replacements weren't vastly better though.

Still taught in the wrong way - needs to be taught as a foreign language. I have better Spanish than Irish from doing it for a fraction of the time in school; arguably I've better German from doing it for a year vs 14 years!

Genuinely thought I did Peig for the leaving around 2000 but I could be wrong. I actually dropped from honours to pass on the day of the exam because I didn't know the literature. My conversational Irish was good, but I'd no interest in learning the literature and because I could speak it well managed to fluff my way though class for 2 years.

I definitely did Fear Lasta Lampi at some point in the preceding 5 years though.

Missed that the OP was talking about primary schools.

spurious

The emphasis is much more on speaking it now. Do well in the oral and you've almost passed.

Greyfox

Ubbquittious wrote: »

There is no shortage of people saying Irish was badly taught back in the day I just wonder has it improved in recent years?

We already had an Irish language thread this month :rolleyes:

L1011

amcalester wrote: »

Genuinely thought I did Peig for the leaving around 2000 but I could be wrong. I actually dropped from honours to pass on the day of the exam because I didn't know the literature. My conversational Irish was good, but I'd no interest in learning the literature and because I could speak it well managed to fluff my way though class for 2 years.

I definitely did Fear Lasta Lampi at some point in the preceding 5 years though.

Missed that the OP was talking about primary schools.

Removed in '99, that may have been for 5th years that year

I got a B in Ordinary a few years later and don't remember anything of it now really

francois

Certainly in junior school, my 2, aged 5 and 8 love it, much more emphasis on spoken, it has even helped my cupla focal

Hamsterchops

At least the fear factor has been taken out of doing Irish, no more corporal punishment is a step in the right direction, but I get the impression that it still needs to be treated as a foreign language for kids to learn the basics, but it's not ...

Another big problem is kids who go to the gaelscoil but come home to talk with their parents in Irish, but cant because their parents only speak English.

ERG89

L1011 wrote: »

I got a B in Ordinary a few years later and don't remember anything of it now really

Nobody really does as we never use it day to day; unless your helping someone with homework.
Found learning all depends on the teachers. I remember in primary school I was able to write 2 page essays in Irish as our teacher would make it fun & we'd engage in Irish only but in secondary school I remember our teacher would race to the classroom to be on time & basically cut a promo on the students that would be arriving late or ask students why they missed days which would take up a good chunk of time. Both teachers taught the same number of students in the class so it ain't a numbers thing.