Super Milk?

GreeBo

Hey,

we have just started our 1 year old on Whole Fat Cows Milk...is it ok to give Whole Fat Super Milk?

I cant find anything online that gives a concrete answer.

I also guess we should stop the Vit D drops now?

Cheers!

_Brian

We continued vid d on until teens.

GreeBo

_Brian wrote: »

We continued vid d on until teens.

I guess though Super Milk already has added vitamin D so we wouldnt want to be overdosing her as that has other implications.

drunkmonkey

I sometimes slip in a carton of protein milk but usually keep it to the local creamy full fat. Full fat milk is still a low fat drink so wouldn't be concerned about it. 14mt old drinks about 4/5 200ml bottles of it a day.
Turns her nose up at the Lidl stuff hence use the local one it's a lot nicer anyway and her two older brothers were rared on it. Not a bother on the 3 of them. Vitamin D in the ordinary milk so doubt you need to add extra.

GreeBo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I sometimes slip in a carton of protein milk but usually keep it to the local creamy full fat. Full fat milk is still a low fat drink so wouldn't be concerned about it. 14mt old drinks about 4/5 200ml bottles of it a day.
Turns her nose up at the Lidl stuff hence use the local one it's a lot nicer anyway and her two older brothers were rared on it. Not a bother on the 3 of them. Vitamin D in the ordinary milk so doubt you need to add extra.

Its not the fat Im worried about as she is already on full fat, its the additional vitamins etc in Super milk that I'm unsure of.

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Very little vitamin D in normal milk, fortified would be much better for children.
Majority of Irish people don’t get enough vitamin D and it’s a really important Vitamin for disease prevention. 0-3 year olds should have 5 micrograms per day, so check how much is in the supplement you are giving and see if child has enough with the supplement or fortified milk alone. Other sources are oily fish or offal or egg yolk.

shesty

I try to give them whole milk but really there are times they have to just make do with what is in the fridge.

Probably safe to stop the drops.Bad parent here, no.1 got the drops til age 1, nos.2 & 3.....did not.

pwurple

OSI wrote: »

They've pretty much debunked the benefits of Vitamin D supplements at this stage anyway.

I don't know about that now... can you link something for that claim?

Every paediatric consult we have ever had, up to a few weeks ago, encouraged vitamin D, not just for the child we are bringing, but for the whole family.

Vitamin D has a heap of evidence behind it. Especially for people in Ireland, with our light levels.


Brief summary of some...
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322619.php

shesty

In my defence I have nothing against Vit D....and I think a deficiency of it has links to all sorts of things....I just admit to being somewhat lax about it, in the million other things I need to do every day.

Sunrise_Sunset

I gave Super Milk to both of my kids when I moved them onto cow's milk. No adverse side effects or complications here. They are both fussy eaters so I wanted to give the fortifed milk.

pwurple

shesty wrote: »

In my defence I have nothing against Vit D....and I think a deficiency of it has links to all sorts of things....I just admit to being somewhat lax about it, in the million other things I need to do every day.

Yeah, a deficiency of it will cause rickets, which is on an upsurge in this part of the world, due to sunsuits and other hyper-vigilence about keeping kids out of the sun.

But there's more to it than avoiding a deficiency as well.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5129901/

I'm going to go off on a tangent here, sorry! If you've any interest in the history of public health initiatives, there's some interesting history on where our sunscreen advice came from... A lot of it stems from a large study in the 60's on US Navy people who got a lot of sun exposure on ships. Their melanoma levels were way higher than the rest of the population, which lead to focus on sunscreen development.

However, it turns out, over their whole lifespan, the levels of other diseases were lower in that sun-exposed navy population. We are attributing that to Vit D. These benefits include lower levels of various types of cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer disease/dementia, myopia and macular degeneration, diabetes and multiple sclerosis.

So that's a huge range of potential benefits from sunlight / vit d, rather than just preventing rickets.


There's also some thinking now, that the Mediterranean population is healthier than us northerners, not entirely because of their diet, but also because of their maintained higher vit d levels over their lifetime. The scots are known as the sick man of Europe, with higher levels of all those diseases I listed above, possibly because they have the very unfortunate combo of a crummy diet, and feck all sunlight.


So, as you can tell, I'm a huge advocate of balanced sun exposure, with vit d boosting, for family long term health.

pwurple

I should add, that negative effects of too much Vitamin D are seen at about 60,000 IU per day over an extended period. Effects are excess calcium, and some nausea.

Your typical adult supplement will be 600IU per day. (There are talks of increasing that recommendation.)

So, if you are taking 100 times the recommended supplement a day, you might run into a problem. But below that, it's very hard to overdose on it. As an example, you'd need to drink 100 x 250ml glasses of fortified milk a day for weeks to get into trouble with too much vit D. Your kidneys would only manage 20 litres of liquid before keeling over.

GreeBo

Its not the vitD in worried about is the other stuff.

She is only 1 and has 600ml s day every day so need to make sure its not damaging kidneys etc

drunkmonkey

Just give her ordinary milk she'll be fine. Your way over thinking this. Some finger white toast with butter won't kill her either and there's vitamins in that as well. You've too much time on your hands have another one.

GreeBo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just give her ordinary milk she'll be fine. Your way over thinking this. Some finger white toast with butter won't kill her either and there's vitamins in that as well. You've too much time on your hands have another one.

Its nothing to do with that, milkman keeps giving us whole fat super milk instead of whole fat regular milk, trying to determine if its an issue.

And no, I dont have too much time on my hands to ensure the safety of my 1 year old daughter...:rolleyes:

Milly33

All up to ye really, but the reg full fat milk is well cant say the best but like the way to go.

The problem with Vit D in milk all comes down to the malarkey with skimmed milk, half fat milk, all the fancy stuff to put it simply.. When they started messing with all reg milk then the vit d got lost along the way.. Madness but sure tis the same with everything, now they have your super milks and your added Vit D milk, where if you just got reg full fat milk you'd be there..

Up to ye too again with the Vit D. Done a bit of reading on it and we decided to keep giving it to our little one. I dont give it every day and im not like OMG must get the drops but give it to her every other day

shesty

pwurple wrote: »

Yeah, a deficiency of it will cause rickets, which is on an upsurge in this part of the world, due to sunsuits and other hyper-vigilence about keeping kids out of the sun.

But there's more to it than avoiding a deficiency as well.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5129901/

I'm going to go off on a tangent here, sorry! If you've any interest in the history of public health initiatives, there's some interesting history on where our sunscreen advice came from... A lot of it stems from a large study in the 60's on US Navy people who got a lot of sun exposure on ships. Their melanoma levels were way higher than the rest of the population, which lead to focus on sunscreen development.

However, it turns out, over their whole lifespan, the levels of other diseases were lower in that sun-exposed navy population. We are attributing that to Vit D. These benefits include lower levels of various types of cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer disease/dementia, myopia and macular degeneration, diabetes and multiple sclerosis.

So that's a huge range of potential benefits from sunlight / vit d, rather than just preventing rickets.


There's also some thinking now, that the Mediterranean population is healthier than us northerners, not entirely because of their diet, but also because of their maintained higher vit d levels over their lifetime. The scots are known as the sick man of Europe, with higher levels of all those diseases I listed above, possibly because they have the very unfortunate combo of a crummy diet, and feck all sunlight.


So, as you can tell, I'm a huge advocate of balanced sun exposure, with vit d boosting, for family long term health.

Absolutely agree.I also did a Masters a few years ago and they were talking about research that was beginning to look at links between Diabetes and Vit D also....Type 1 obviously being the main focus.Setting aside diet, they were wondering about environmental factors causing increased levels of Type 1 diabetes in countries further away from the equator and Vit D was one factor being considered.There is nothing to back it as far as I am aware yet, but focus was begining to zoom on it as a contributory factor.

My lot are turfed outside at every available opportunity.

Milly33

pwurple wrote: »

Yeah, a deficiency of it will cause rickets, which is on an upsurge in this part of the world, due to sunsuits and other hyper-vigilence about keeping kids out of the sun.

But there's more to it than avoiding a deficiency as well.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5129901/

I'm going to go off on a tangent here, sorry! If you've any interest in the history of public health initiatives, there's some interesting history on where our sunscreen advice came from... A lot of it stems from a large study in the 60's on US Navy people who got a lot of sun exposure on ships. Their melanoma levels were way higher than the rest of the population, which lead to focus on sunscreen development.

However, it turns out, over their whole lifespan, the levels of other diseases were lower in that sun-exposed navy population. We are attributing that to Vit D. These benefits include lower levels of various types of cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer disease/dementia, myopia and macular degeneration, diabetes and multiple sclerosis.

So that's a huge range of potential benefits from sunlight / vit d, rather than just preventing rickets.


There's also some thinking now, that the Mediterranean population is healthier than us northerners, not entirely because of their diet, but also because of their maintained higher vit d levels over their lifetime. The scots are known as the sick man of Europe, with higher levels of all those diseases I listed above, possibly because they have the very unfortunate combo of a crummy diet, and feck all sunlight.


So, as you can tell, I'm a huge advocate of balanced sun exposure, with vit d boosting, for family long term health.

Very interesting stuff pwurple - you have me thinking.. I am always on the more cautions side of things that are recommended to do, especially when it gives people the chance to make money off others.. Thanks for the insight

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

Its nothing to do with that, milkman keeps giving us whole fat super milk instead of whole fat regular milk, trying to determine if its an issue.

And no, I dont have too much time on my hands to ensure the safety of my 1 year old daughter...:rolleyes:

I know plenty of people who give nothing but super milk to their kids from when they started cows milk (most specifically as it’s higher in vitimans) and I’ve never heard of any issue. It’s the milk we use also (though the low fat version) and wouldn’t plan on changing from it bar getting the full fat version for a toddler.