What's the story with people flaming at GAA matches?

diusmr8a504cvk

Look, not a fan of the gah myself but this is just an observation rather than a criticism.

Every Sunday from probably 11AM onwards I see people tearing into cans and naggins in cars and busses on the way to games or already at the location of the game in a local pub and well on it.

I totally understand having a drink at a match (although there's no bars at any GAA grounds outside of a few so mainly the rugby and international Football) but I can't wrap my head around the binge drinking at these games. A friend of mine who wouldn't watch a game of hurling if it was on in his backyard has gone boozing to the last two hurling games.

Not trying to act holier than thou, just don't understand it.

whiskeyman

You mean you actually watch the games sober?

Blinky Plebum

Andrea Damaged Chicken wrote: »

Look, not a fan of the gah myself but this is just an observation rather than a criticism.

Every Sunday from probably 11AM onwards I see people tearing into cans and naggins in cars and busses on the way to games or already at the location of the game in a local pub and well on it.

I totally understand having a drink at a match (although there's no bars at any GAA grounds outside of a few so mainly the rugby and international Football) but I can't wrap my head around the binge drinking at these games. A friend of mine who wouldn't watch a game of hurling if it was on in his backyard has gone boozing to the last two hurling games.

Not trying to act holier than thou, just don't understand it.

People drink at all sorts of sporting occassions and some people don't even need a sporting occasion for an excuse to drink.


Another really poor attempt at a GAA bashing thread in After Hours, any chance the mods could have a permanent thread at the top of the page and everyone can go there when they want to have a rant against the GAA.

castletownman

Generally a good day out.

Highly unlikely to get into trouble with rival fans.

Cheaper to attend than the equivalent soccer or rugby games.

Each to their own.

Up Wexford!

cj maxx

Andrea Damaged Chicken wrote: »

Look, not a fan of the gah myself but this is just an observation rather than a criticism.

Every Sunday from probably 11AM onwards I see people tearing into cans and naggins in cars and busses on the way to games or already at the location of the game in a local pub and well on it.

I totally understand having a drink at a match (although there's no bars at any GAA grounds outside of a few so mainly the rugby and international Football) but I can't wrap my head around the binge drinking at these games. A friend of mine who wouldn't watch a game of hurling if it was on in his backyard has gone boozing to the last two hurling games.

Not trying to act holier than thou, just don't understand it.

I’ve never seen boys in cars tearing into flagons and cans just before a game
.seen young lads pissed alright. Loads of people in pubs etc but to say it’s a GAA thing is bollix
Perhaps think of an intervention for your friend

Andrew00

Head to the local after mass on a Sunday, have 5 or 6 pints then organise a lift to the match. Back on the gargle then after the game

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

No bars at GAA games? I wouldn't drink at games that often but you can get a beer at most county grounds I've ever been to (on big match days particularly), even if you can't bring it in to your seat.

Larbre34

Andrea Damaged Chicken wrote: »

A friend of mine who wouldn't watch a game of hurling if it was on in his backyard has gone boozing to the last two hurling games.

You've probably answered your own question there. I was asked to a one-day Cricket match a few years back in Malahide, good atmosphere and all that but Cricket is desperate stuff to watch, so I got flootered with a few likeminds.

To be fair I go to a lot of summer GAA and yes there are a good few on it for the day, but there are an equal amount of families and seniors etc and really ive never seen any hassle due to it, except maybe a few gobshytes getting sunburnt.

diusmr8a504cvk

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

No bars at GAA games? I wouldn't drink at games that often but you can get a beer at most county grounds I've ever been to (on big match days particularly), even if you can't bring it in to your seat.

Never knew that, cheers for the insight!

ILoveYourVibes

Hello its IRELAND!??

pgj2015

castletownman wrote: »

Generally a good day out.

Highly unlikely to get into trouble with rival fans.

Cheaper to attend than the equivalent soccer or rugby games.

Each to their own.

Up Wexford!

not sure about this, it costs either 15 euro or 20 euro to go watch the league of ireland club i support.

Larbre34

pgj2015 wrote: »

not sure about this, it costs either 15 euro or 20 euro to go watch the league of ireland club i support.

He said the equivalent.

ben.schlomo

Larbre34 wrote: »

pgj2015 wrote: »

not sure about this, it costs either 15 euro or 20 euro to go watch the league of ireland club i support.

He said the equivalent.

Ah yes I forgot the Wexford footballers won the Superbowl this year.

Necro

Andrea Damaged Chicken wrote:

I totally understand having a drink at a match (although there's no bars at any GAA grounds outside of a few so mainly the rugby and international Football) but I can't wrap my head around the binge drinking at these games. A friend of mine who wouldn't watch a game of hurling if it was on in his backyard has gone boozing to the last two hurling games.

It happens anyways, not just cos of any sport.
All social events are intricately linked with alcohol in this country, has been that way for decades. Sure back in the 70s when my dad was growing up you'd head off to by the meat for the Sunday roast and there was a tap in the backroom to have a pint from.

You can't turn a corner in some places without looking at the next pub, it's not something new tbh.

IAMAMORON

I have flammable Union Jacks for sale if your interested. PM me .

Great for getting the crowd going.

Sheep breeder

I would say that a high percentage of people who attend gaa matches would not be drinking due to family and age profiles. In all my years going to matches with a wide circle of friends and family nobody would take drink before or during a game, usually after the game at home pub when the game was analysed and a bit of craic.

realdanbreen

Andrea Damaged Chicken wrote: »

Look, not a fan of the gah myself but this is just an observation rather than a criticism.

Every Sunday from probably 11AM onwards I see people tearing into cans and naggins in cars and busses on the way to games or already at the location of the game in a local pub and well on it.

I totally understand having a drink at a match (although there's no bars at any GAA grounds outside of a few so mainly the rugby and international Football) but I can't wrap my head around the binge drinking at these games. A friend of mine who wouldn't watch a game of hurling if it was on in his backyard has gone boozing to the last two hurling games.

Not trying to act holier than thou, just don't understand it.

You should try going to a cricket match. You could give the whole day drinking at one of them, nod off for a while, wake up and get stuck in again.

Larbre34

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Ah yes I forgot the Wexford footballers won the Superbowl this year.

Explains why they're too tired to do well at Gaelic football I guess.

No, but their hurlers do get 15-20,000 through the door for championship games and thats beyond the fantasies of any LoI. The quality of the product between top tier GAA and provincial rugby on one hand and domestic soccer on the other is night and day, and thats the same 20 quid to get in.

pgj2015

Larbre34 wrote: »

Explains why they're too tired to do well at Gaelic football I guess.

No, but their hurlers do get 15-20,000 through the door for championship games and thats beyond the fantasies of any LoI. The quality of the product between top tier GAA and provincial rugby on one hand and domestic soccer on the other is night and day, and thats the same 20 quid to get in.

That is a matter of opinion to be honest, i played gaelic football for 20 years but id much prefer watching dundalk v shamrock rovers than dublin v mayo. the standard of football is decent in loi now. who wants to see 15 players in their own half, its awful to watch.

SirGerryAdams

Larbre34 wrote: »

He said the equivalent.

True. It's free to go watch your local soccer club.

robbiezero

pgj2015 wrote: »

That is a matter of opinion to be honest, i played gaelic football for 20 years but id much prefer watching dundalk v shamrock rovers than dublin v mayo. the standard of football is decent in loi now. who wants to see 15 players in their own half, its awful to watch.

Dublin v Mayo games are usually very good and rarely overly defensive.

pgj2015

robbiezero wrote: »

Dublin v Mayo games are usually very good and rarely overly defensive.

they aren't too bad but all teams including mayo and dublin retreat as soon as the opposition attack, it has ruined gaelic football for me.

LuasSimon

pgj2015 wrote: »

not sure about this, it costs either 15 euro or 20 euro to go watch the league of ireland club i support.

It does but there’s a big difference between 3-4000 on a Friday night and 30,000 on a Sunday .
The fact GAA games are on sundays when most people are off makes it an all dayer event too .
If the soccer heads had every come up with a county based model they too would have had similar crowds . Imagine a Dublin v Derry all Ireland soccer final with McLean and Duffy playing for Derry ! It would pack the Aviva .
The GAA with all its failings has the guy down the road playing for his local parish or county which you can’t buy and is the reason so many attend or follow their local teams.in the gaa everyone is a neighbour or working with or someway connected to the team .

topper75

A Munster championship is just a flaming Moe away.

biko

I'm so old that "flaming" mean "arguing on internet forums".

racso1975

pgj2015 wrote: »

they aren't too bad but all teams including mayo and dublin retreat as soon as the opposition attack, it has ruined gaelic football for me.

Carlow yesterday down 7 points and bring a defender!!!

Berserker

cjmc wrote: »

I’ve never seen boys in cars tearing into flagons and cans just before a game seen young lads pissed alright. Loads of people in pubs etc but to say it’s a GAA thing is bollix. Perhaps think of an intervention for your friend

Jump on the Maynooth line train into town on the morning of a match and you'll see it. I've nothing against it, as it's good natured for the most-part. Didn't know you could drink alcohol on Irish rail but it's probably easier for the authorities to turn a blind eye to it. Liffey valley is another good place to spot the GAA fan in all it's glory. A few Kilkenny fans came in to Butlers yesterday morning when we were having a cup of coffee. Had a bag of sandwiches with them, the sign of a true GAA fan. Baffled by the whole idea of tipping the staff!

Suckit

biko wrote: »

I'm so old that "flaming" mean "arguing on internet forums".

Luckily I was reading, and not listening. Would've got a completely different story in my head if I had heard "Flaming" and"GAA bashing".


Still not sure what Flaming is, is it drinking?

Thelonious Monk

biko wrote: »

I'm so old that "flaming" mean "arguing on internet forums".

does he mean drinking or what?

Deebles McBeebles

biko wrote: »

I'm so old that "flaming" mean "arguing on internet forums".

I'm so progressive it means being reeeeeeeeal gay.

flamer (plural flamers)

1. (colloquial, often derogatory) A very flamboyant ("flaming"), effeminate gay male.
2. (computing, slang) One who flames, or posts vitriolic criticism.

realdanbreen

Berserker wrote: »

cjmc wrote: »

I’ve never seen boys in cars tearing into flagons and cans just before a game seen young lads pissed alright. Loads of people in pubs etc but to say it’s a GAA thing is bollix. Perhaps think of an intervention for your friend

Jump on the Maynooth line train into town on the morning of a match and you'll see it. I've nothing against it, as it's good natured for the most-part. Didn't know you could drink alcohol on Irish rail but it's probably easier for the authorities to turn a blind eye to it. Liffey valley is another good place to spot the GAA fan in all it's glory. A few Kilkenny fans came in to Butlers yesterday morning when we were having a cup of coffee. Had a bag of sandwiches with them, the sign of a true GAA fan. Baffled by the whole idea of tipping the staff!

Where's Butler's?

Blinky Plebum

Berserker wrote: »

Jump on the Maynooth line train into town on the morning of a match and you'll see it. I've nothing against it, as it's good natured for the most-part. Didn't know you could drink alcohol on Irish rail but it's probably easier for the authorities to turn a blind eye to it. Liffey valley is another good place to spot the GAA fan in all it's glory. A few Kilkenny fans came in to Butlers yesterday morning when we were having a cup of coffee. Had a bag of sandwiches with them, the sign of a true GAA fan. Baffled by the whole idea of tipping the staff!

Tipping staff is a baffling practice it's not really an irish thing it's something thats been imported from America, restaurants should just pay their staff properly and increase the price of food to cover the cost.

When you go to a cafe/bar/restaurant I expect that the cost of the meal covers the cost of it getting to your table if it doesn't then that is the cafe/bar/restaurant's fault.

Other industries seem to be able to cope without the concept of tipping people and pay their staff properly so why is the cafe/bar/restaurant immune from the responsibility of paying their staff properly.

The entire concept of tipping is a pile of ****e.

pgj2015

very much off topic but tipping is just a nice thing to do, if you cant afford to tip dont bother, no point getting upset over it, its just a few euro.

Blinky Plebum

pgj2015 wrote: »

very much off topic but tipping is just a nice thing to do, if you cant afford to tip dont bother, no point getting upset over it, its just a few euro.

Great, I'd like the customers I talk to on the phone in work to forward me a few bob, I mean it's a nice thing to do.

realdanbreen

Berserker wrote: »

cjmc wrote: »

I’ve never seen boys in cars tearing into flagons and cans just before a game seen young lads pissed alright. Loads of people in pubs etc but to say it’s a GAA thing is bollix. Perhaps think of an intervention for your friend

Jump on the Maynooth line train into town on the morning of a match and you'll see it. I've nothing against it, as it's good natured for the most-part. Didn't know you could drink alcohol on Irish rail but it's probably easier for the authorities to turn a blind eye to it. Liffey valley is another good place to spot the GAA fan in all it's glory. A few Kilkenny fans came in to Butlers yesterday morning when we were having a cup of coffee. Had a bag of sandwiches with them, the sign of a true GAA fan. Baffled by the whole idea of tipping the staff!

But Kilkenny weren't playing in Dublin yesterday!

Blinky Plebum

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Great, I'd like the customers I talk to on the phone in work to forward me a few bob, I mean it's a nice thing to do.

Presumably you're not in a very low-paid job where tipping has been inbuilt into the pay structure.

I'm so fed-up with this "bUt i dOn'T tIp mY pOsTmAn" sh1te-talk. That's right, because you're not availing of his services for an experience over an ongoing period in the day, where his hospitality is relevant to you.

If all tipping were cancelled in the morning, your restaurant bill would rise proportionately to the average tip, because staff are unlikely to be retained when their pay is cut. So you'd end up paying anyway, without the discretion to reward good service.

On topic? I attend GAA matches at least once a month. Of course you get the odd-few who'll be well oiled, it has never occurred that this is just a GAA issue? (If it is even an issue)

Berserker

realdanbreen wrote: »

But Kilkenny weren't playing in Dublin yesterday!

Fair enough but there were four people in Kilkenny jerseys who looked set up for a day of GAA in there.

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Tipping staff is a baffling practice it's not really an irish thing it's something thats been imported from America, restaurants should just pay their staff properly and increase the price of food to cover the cost.

The entire concept of tipping is a pile of ****e.

It's not really. I think it's a nice gesture for good service. The staff in these places are probably getting paid the minimum wage, so a euro from everyone who buys a cup of coffee adds up to a nice chunk of cash for them. I'd much rather give it direct to the staff. We all know what would happen if cafes etc decided to include the tip in the cost of the product.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

On topic? I attend GAA matches at least once a month. Of course you get the odd-few who'll be well oiled, it has never occurred that this is just a GAA issue? (If it is even an issue)

It's an issue but it's not specific to the GAA.

Blinky Plebum

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Presumably you're not in a very low-paid job where tipping has been inbuilt into the pay structure.

I'm so fed-up with this "bUt i dOn'T tIp mY pOsTmAn" sh1te-talk. That's right, because you're not availing of his services for an experience over an ongoing period in the day, where his hospitality is relevant to you.

If all tipping were cancelled in the morning, your restaurant bill would rise proportionately to the average tip, because staff are unlikely to be retained when their pay is cut. So you'd end up paying anyway, without the discretion to reward good service.

On topic? I attend GAA matches at least once a month. Of course you get the odd-few who'll be well oiled, it has never occurred that this is just a GAA issue? (If it is even an issue)

It would be much better if Restaurants to paid their staff properly and if that comes with an increase in the price of food then fair enough.

The whole concept of tipping is a pile of crap and allows employers to get away without paying their staff properly.

I don't have a problem paying the extra money I have a problem with it being implied you should pay it when it's not on the bill, the cost of any service in any industry should be explicitly stated not coming with the implication you have to leave a tip.

Blinky Plebum

Berserker wrote: »

Fair enough but there were four people in Kilkenny jerseys who looked set up for a day of GAA in there.



It's not really. I think it's a nice gesture for good service. The staff in these places are probably getting paid the minimum wage, so a euro from everyone who buys a cup of coffee adds up to a nice chunk of cash for them. I'd much rather give it direct to the staff. We all know what would happen if cafes etc decided to include the tip in the cost of the product.

Pay your staff properly and the problem is solved.The concept of tipping is a load of nonsense that has let employers of the hook for years, it allows them to take advantage of their staff.

Berserker

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

It would be much better if Restaurants to paid their staff properly and if that comes with an increase in the price of food then fair enough.

The whole concept of tipping is a pile of crap and allows employers to get away without paying their staff properly.

They'll increase the price of food but the salary increase will not be passed on.

Blinky Plebum

Berserker wrote: »

They'll increase the price of food but the salary increase will not be passed on.

The fact is the service provided in a restaurant is no different than the service provided in any shop,McDonald's etc yet nobody says you must tip them.

I don't have a problem tipping I do it, but I find the entire idea that you must tip and there is an expectation for you to tip the staff in a restaurant bizzare. It really doesn't make any sense why that particular job should receive a tip and people doing similar jobs don't.

Badly Drunk Boy

pgj2015 wrote: »

very much off topic but tipping is just a nice thing to do, if you cant afford to tip dont bother, no point getting upset over it, its just a few euro.

That's all well and good, but then people start to expect it, and then people start to depend on it like in the States, and next thing you know you're being chased down the street for not tipping enough (perhaps because you can't afford it). I know it hasn't gotten that bad here, but it probably will.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Presumably you're not in a very low-paid job where tipping has been inbuilt into the pay structure.

That's the problem. It shouldn't be inbuilt into the pay structure.


Anyway, it's been a few years since I've been to a GAA match (and I used to go regularly) but on the occasion of travelling to Croke Park or somewhere even further afield, I'd often have an extra little supply of alcohol (which my username might suggest ). No harm in it so long as you don't go too mad (and don't have kids depending on you to look after them).

Badly Drunk Boy

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Pay your staff properly and the problem is solved.The concept of tipping is a load of nonsense that has let employers of the hook for years, it allows them to take advantage of their staff.

...And their customers.

realdanbreen

Berserker wrote: »

Fair enough but there were four people in Kilkenny jerseys who looked set up for a day of GAA in there.

Sure there were, and as you said they 'had a bag of sandwiches with them'

I smell porky's and it ain't from the bag of sandwiches!

Fan of Netflix

I'd say there will be a right few Irish soccer fans tanked tonight at the Aviva and certainly last Friday in Copenhagan. There would be probably be a lot more if the games were on Saturdays and Sundays and not during the week, and the tickets so expensive. Ireland soccer matches about 50 quid, most GAA championship games 15-20.

I was in Clones the past two Sundays and 2 other Ulster games and there was a lot of drinking done before and after, Clones seems to GAA piss up HQ. Small wee town thousands on the lash. Good craic though no real trouble. Armagh ones can get a bit rowdy mind but I didn't see any fights which was good going.

topper75

It is hardly a customer's role to launch investigations in to IR setups, creditor payment frequency, or revenue compliance etc. of a vendor on the occasion of every transaction.

Those issues are between the hostelry owner and their staff.

The customer is only responsible for paying a clearly-indicated price.

I myself love America - but let's leave their senseless tipping culture where we found it. I always say we insist on importing the worst things from that place.

pgj2015

who would have thought a discussion about drinking at GAA matches would turn into a debate about tipping in restaurants. i love boards.

kingtut

flaming? that's a first for me ... I must be getting old.
In my day we'd say "getting $hitfaced" or "getting off our t1ts"

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Pay your staff properly and the problem is solved.The concept of tipping is a load of nonsense that has let employers of the hook for years, it allows them to take advantage of their staff.

That’s often an excuse to justify low tips.

One thing that tips do is a kind of profit sharing.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

topper75 wrote: »

It is hardly a customer's role to launch investigations in to IR setups, creditor payment frequency, or revenue compliance etc. of a vendor on the occasion of every transaction.

Those issues are between the hostelry owner and their staff.

The customer is only responsible for paying a clearly-indicated price.

I myself love America - but let's leave their senseless tipping culture where we found it. I always say we insist on importing the worst things from that place.

Irish people have tipped for generations now.

Blinky Plebum

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

It would be much better if Restaurants to paid their staff properly and if that comes with an increase in the price of food then fair enough.

The whole concept of tipping is a pile of crap and allows employers to get away without paying their staff properly.

I don't have a problem paying the extra money I have a problem with it being implied you should pay it when it's not on the bill, the cost of any service in any industry should be explicitly stated not coming with the implication you have to leave a tip.

So, just to be clear -- you want to be forced to pay an additional fee, as opposed to having discretion as to pay, based on the service?

I gotta say love, I don't think I could agree. I think our culture of tipping works pretty nicely for everyone. Staff have a great incentive to provide attentive, friendly service; and you can decide whether or not to adjust your bill accordingly.

If tipping is abolished, we'll all pay the same to a good server or to an ignorant one, because staff will not just accept an overnight reduction in income (and quite rightly).