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I Am Mother (netflix scifi)

  • 08-06-2019 6:03pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 9,701 ✭✭✭ Slydice


    Gave this a watch.
    I guess they could end it there but it feels like there's more to that story. I can't see anything about a sequel anywhere though.

    The sci fi is done pretty cool here. The droid kinda reminds me of a not-so-banjaxed Chappie. :)

    The story feels more focused on being a think-about-it than action but it does have a decent amount of special effects and action/world building.

    Trailer:


    It does feel like a sequel is needed though.. she's never gonna be able to look after more than 60,000 kids by herself. PLUS! It also doesn't necessarily kill off Swank. Like there's so much story there that could be explored.

    Oh and I guess.. just in case ye're a lad (or woman/otherwise.. i guess :confused:) who's not into films where women do a lot of stuff... the cast and time-given-to-cast here is mostly women.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,461 ✭✭✭ Igotadose


    Hrm. All evil computers named Mother? LIke, the one in the original Alien?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,841 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp


    I dunno, I've been burned enough times by the phrase "Netflix Original SciFi film" to perhaps start to back off from these :D couldn't be any worse than Extinction though so might take a look.

    So is there going to be an After Hours thread full of dreary whingers why there isn't a film called "I am Father?" ;):D


  • Registered Users Posts: 56,407 ✭✭✭✭ Agent Coulson


    I am a Genderfluid parent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,638 ✭✭✭✭ Skerries


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Hrm. All evil computers named Mother? LIke, the one in the original Alien?

    MUTHR wasn't evil it was just programmed that way to ensure the recovery of alien life
    It was the same for HAL, he was programmed that way and didn't just suddenly turn psycho


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,375 ✭✭✭ corkie


    I am Mother Ending, Plot, Droids: Explained | Will There be a Sequel?

    ^^^ Contains spoilers or what the film is about for people to lazy to watch?

    "Quel est l'âge du capitaine ?" ("How old is the captain?")



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  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭ evilcloud


    I thought this was great. Proper slow burn sci-fi that explored some interesting ideas.

    If your looking for action this is not for you. But the story is engaging and the performances are great.

    Also thought the mother robot looked excellent. Some really great practical effects


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭ Icyseanfitz


    Really loved this, a real thinker of a movie. Hopefully they make a sequel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭ cdgalwegian


    corkie wrote: »
    I am Mother Ending, Plot, Droids: Explained | Will There be a Sequel?

    ^^^ Contains spoilers or what the film is about for people to lazy to watch?


    No spoiler review.
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/07/i-am-mother-review-all-female-netflix-thriller-is-a-solid-sci-fi-watch

    I'd actually give it 4 stars, not 3.









  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,517 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Sad Professor


    It's no Ex Machina but it's good. One of the better entries in the sub-genre of sci-fi films about young women being held captive. Certainly better than Netflix's last attempt at this, Tau, though I liked that one more than most.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 10,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Fysh


    As far as film-based Netflix Original science fiction goes, I'd say this is the best so far - a decent premise and script, good central performances, and a focus on ideas and dramatic tension rather than plot.

    I was pleasantly surprised that we didn't get any infodumps or segues into extended CGI Shooty Nonsense sequences, because while the core premise isn't startlingly original, it's executed well and it was a pleasure to see it not opt for lazy action sequences in the 3rd act.

    While there's plenty left unexplained in the film, I'm fine with leaving it where it is and hope they don't make a sequel.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭ evilcloud


    I really don't see a sequel to this happening. The scope of the story just wouldnt sustain one IMO.

    It's a fine debut feature by the director and I'm interested to see what he does next


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭ cdgalwegian


    It's no Ex Machina but it's good. One of the better entries in the sub-genre of sci-fi films about young women being held captive. Certainly better than Netflix's last attempt at this, Tau, though I liked that one more than most.


    I love sci-fi, and Philosophy of Mind, but I thought Ex Machina was a tad over-rated. I am Mother was less overtly philosophical (except in its focus on ethics), but had more moving parts (is there a pun there?), which it dealt with admirably. I preferred it to Ex Machina.





  • Registered Users Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭ expectationlost


    bluh wtf
    if the AI/Mother decided to allow Daughter raise the kid what was the need to shoot her? waste a perfectly good helper robot. The Woman lying about there being others is hardly a reason to leave her out there Daughter will be pissed when she finds out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭ PhiloCypher


    bluh wtf
    if the AI/Mother decided to allow Daughter raise the kid what was the need to shoot her? waste a perfectly good helper robot. The Woman lying about there being others is hardly a reason to leave her out there Daughter will be pissed when she finds out.
    Mother needed her to step up, to take that next step. Her killing Mother, Symbolic as it was(that being one of presumably millions of shells she inhabits), was necessary for that to happen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭ cdgalwegian


    Mother needed her to step up, to take that next step. Her killing Mother, Symbolic as it was(that being one of presumably millions of shells she inhabits), was necessary for that to happen.
    I think so too. Ethics is central to the film. The daughter had spent her life being taught the various principles- and finally, she had to make an ethical choice, and take an action. It seemed unnecessary watching it at the time, but on reflection
    MOTHER had planned this all along. Hence the last STRANGER scene, where she was no longer necessary/surplus to requirements









  • Registered Users Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭ expectationlost


    I think so too. Ethics is central to the film. The daughter had spent her life being taught the various principles- and finally, she had to make an ethical choice, and take an action. It seemed unnecessary watching it at the time, but on reflection
    MOTHER had planned this all along. Hence the last STRANGER scene, where she was no longer necessary/surplus to requirements






    ethics is
    shooting your mother
    ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭ cdgalwegian


    ethics is
    shooting your mother
    ?

    Wellllll...... not just that, I'm pretty sure. If you look it up, I'm pretty sure it falls within the big Venn diagram of ethics. I said the film was mainly about ethics, not just that (initially confusing) single act.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,933 ✭✭✭✭ TerrorFirmer


    Really, really good film.

    Am I correct in understanding that....
    Hilary Swank was also a child of the facility, but 'failed' her test by fleeing, but unknown to us initially she was allowed to remain alive by Mother as she would later serve a purpose for future children.

    Swank aludes to this when she says something about it being OK to be selfish and solely looking out for yourself sometimes to Daughter in the shipping container.

    Daughter ultimately returns for the good of her family and her newly born brother and so passes the ultimate test; mother then goes and kills Hilary Swank as she was no longer needed.

    Daughter killing Mother was purely symbolic of this new stage of her earned role as the new 'mother' of the future of the human race.

    Also hardly a coincidence that Swank looked like a very credible older version of Daughter, and we knew several female embryo's were created from all the missing capsules in that particular rack


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,701 ✭✭✭ Slydice


    Well it started with Mother
    taking out number 1
    Then by the time we see daughter, well we find out she is number 3

    We then see the remains of number 2 in the incinerator

    So I'd be inclined to agree that
    it looks like Swank is number 1.


    I think I threw it on myself a bit when I
    did the maths on the X days later bit at the start. I'm pretty sure it worked out around 40 years and daughter was obviously not 40 years old


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,933 ✭✭✭✭ TerrorFirmer


    Yeah that's a good point. I was thinking the exact same thing as well at the time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭ expectationlost


    can we go full spoilers
    designing a robot that has to recharge for 12 hours a day that supposed to look after somebody and make sure they don't get out unless the open the outer door which they have then run towards how about create a father robot?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭ cdgalwegian


    can we go full spoilers
    designing a robot that has to recharge for 12 hours a day that supposed to look after somebody and make sure they don't get out unless the open the outer door which they have then run towards how about create a father robot?
    :D
    Howzabout replaceable batteries? Camera feeds/sensors that can wake Mother up at the first sign of trouble?

    IOWs, rather than this being a plot flaw
    The downtime for recharging as a weakness was planned; to exploit the inevitable features of human nature; creativity, blah, blah. Maybe embryo 2 (?) when it grew up didn't take the opportunity- so was weak- and was destroyed. Clever- and amoral- robot.






  • Registered Users Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭ expectationlost


    so the anwser to every plot query is, they did that on purpose?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭ joe40


    I made the mistake of watching the trailer for this and feel they gave away far too much of the story. I will watch it, but fecking modern trailers can be a disaster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭ expectationlost


    Adam Savage spoke to the guy who designed the suit and played the part of Mother


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭ cdgalwegian


    so the anwser to every plot query is,
    they did that on purpose?


    Actually, you're bang on. That's super-duper algorithms for you.

    Will it possible in the future for a computer to predict human behaviour perfectly- much better than in the present, with say, chess or GO- and to plan for every eventuality (while adjusting for errors through termination of iterations)?

    Who knows? That's why it's called science fiction- possibly just for the moment.

    Such a conceit is a perfect means to reify rationality- in contrast to the emotional/rational hybrid of humans. Mother is the reification of supposed perfect rationality. So yeah- the answer to every plot query is- insert belated spoiler quote here-;)











  • Registered Users Posts: 9,701 ✭✭✭ Slydice


    I think the film deals with the point by roughly saying:
    • The Mother droid unit is just a container unit for the Mother computer/AI
    • Mother is
      in all the connected up droids and computers

    So
    the droid unit isn't mother, just a machine being remote controlled by mother. Same with all the other droids.

    As for the recharge,
    it's not even a deal breaker because they showed mother can wake up the droid unit and do stuff with it if it wanted to (when the doors were unlocked)
    Plus.. it showed later
    that it can power up and use the other droid units if it wants to
    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭ evilcloud


    joe40 wrote: »
    I made the mistake of watching the trailer for this and feel they gave away far too much of the story. I will watch it, but fecking modern trailers can be a disaster.

    Yea I warned people about watching the trailer for this on the Netflix thread. Should have mentioned it here too.

    Still plenty of surprises in it and highly recommend it.

    But Netflix trailers should be avoided like the plague


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭ cdgalwegian


    Slydice wrote: »
    I think the film deals with the point by roughly saying:
    • The Mother droid unit is just a container unit for the Mother computer/AI
    • Mother is
      in all the connected up droids and computers

    So
    the droid unit isn't mother, just a machine being remote controlled by mother. Same with all the other droids.

    As for the recharge,
    it's not even a deal breaker because they showed mother can wake up the droid unit and do stuff with it if it wanted to (when the doors were unlocked)
    Plus.. it showed later
    that it can power up and use the other droid units if it wants to
    .


    yeah, that's all pretty clear in the film. All told, it's pretty impressive for a first time writer.








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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭ expectationlost


    Slydice wrote: »
    I think the film deals with the point by roughly saying:
    • The Mother droid unit is just a container unit for the Mother computer/AI
    • Mother is
      in all the connected up droids and computers

    So
    the droid unit isn't mother, just a machine being remote controlled by mother. Same with all the other droids.

    As for the recharge,
    it's not even a deal breaker because they showed mother can wake up the droid unit and do stuff with it if it wanted to (when the doors were unlocked)
    Plus.. it showed later
    that it can power up and use the other droid units if it wants to
    .

    daughter could have gone outside before the mother droid got to her because she was asleep/recharging.


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