Most looked forward to EV - 2020

Patser

So a lot of talk that 2020 is the big year that EVs make the break through as big players start to release their 1st mass market EVs, and not just big premium options but the likes of Peugeot, Seat, VW going big on it.

So what car would you chose or are you looking forward to the most, and include in that value for money.

Looking at the article linked below, the 2 that stand out for me are the:

Peugeot e208 - because it has sharp styling, Peugeots lovely new interior and might just hover about the €30k mark.

Seat new-Born- 200+ bhp and nicer ro look at in my opinion than VW id (something about the id's styling I don't like). Probably cheaper too.

I really did have a grá for the Honda e concept, but the production version has been cutsied up, and looks overpriced for me. Also I got to sit in a Tesla 3 recently and interior just left me cold.

If money was less of a worry I'd love a Jaguar I-Pace though

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-electric-cars-2019-2020

Mike9832

Don't see any value for money?

Do you OP?

Maybe VW ID, but not getting hopes up

Nothing to look forward to for me

If I was rich the Porsche Taycan would be the one for 2020

Out of this world looks, incredible performance, handling, 350kW charging, 2 speed gearbox ( no running of steam like a Tesla etc)

unkel

If money was no worry, the 2020 Porsche Taycan for sure

unkel

Ha! I was beaten to it. Just.

I knew we both share the view that we need lots of cheap EVs. €15k Dacia Sandero ZE?

Patser

Mike9832 wrote: »

Don't see any value for money?

Do you OP?

Maybe VW ID, but not getting hopes up

Nothing to look forward to for me

If I was rich the Porsche Taycan would be the one for 2020

Out of this world looks, incredible performance, handling, 350kW charging, 2 speed gearbox ( no running of steam like a Tesla etc)

Don't know, there seems to be a car in there for all segments now - from the Taycan down the the eCitigo or new Zoe - if grants can bring the likes of the Peugeot and Seat down below €30k, then running costs would make them value for money.

fricatus

I’m dying to see the new/refreshed Model S. Anyone got next week’s Lotto numbers?

Mike9832

Patser wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Don't see any value for money?

Do you OP?

Maybe VW ID, but not getting hopes up

Nothing to look forward to for me

If I was rich the Porsche Taycan would be the one for 2020

Out of this world looks, incredible performance, handling, 350kW charging, 2 speed gearbox ( no running of steam like a Tesla etc)

Don't know, there seems to be a car in there for all segments now - from the Taycan down the the eCitigo or new Zoe - if grants can bring the likes of the Peugeot and Seat down below €30k, then running costs would make them value for money.

eCitigo is not coming to Ireland

Looked forward to that one

Will be nothing cheaper than €30,000 soon here

unkel

Patser wrote: »

Don't know, there seems to be a car in there for all segments now - from the Taycan down the the eCitigo or new Zoe - if grants can bring the likes of the Peugeot and Seat down below €30k, then running costs would make them value for money.

I disagree. Most small city cars do low mileage so the low running cost is of limited value. A city car for €30k is absurd. A petrol city car now costs €10k-€15k depending on make / model. With the current subsidies it really shouldn't be hard to sell a €15k-€20k city EV right now

But batteries are scarce and car giants prefer to sell higher margin cars (so stick the batteries in those). This is only right as companies should strive to maximise profits. That's what they are doing. Governments though could manipulate what they do by legislation. So we force the car giants to bring down their emissions, so they will have to sell more EVs. We'll get there. Eventually. But there is far too little stick and not enough / the wrong carrot going on here.

copeyhagen

more of these poxy sites requiring you to turn off your ad blocker, **** right off.

Old diesel

The e208 could work if you were working off the Active or Allure models.

But I thought I saw that Peugeot will only be doing the GT and GT line in UK at least.

Is it possible for Ireland to ask for Active and Allure models even if UK only doing high level trims.

I see guesstimates that eCorsa might be 25 k - but this seems based on an assumption that Opel in Ireland will price match the Zoe.

Cannot possibly see that happening for several reasons.....

1) New Zoe will be more expensive then it's current 25 k I would expect.....

2) The Zoe 40 price I saw quoted for Germany is a bit off the wall. 34 k

3) I'd expect Opel in Ireland to try to move upmarket from Zoe - ie a slightly more premium product.

Patser

Opel are now owned by Peugeot, who are turning them into their Skoda - slightly less frilly than what Peugeot offer. So Corsa should be cheaper than 208.

Citroen are their Seat - Sporty or off beat
DS are their Audi - premium (but with added massive depreciation)

sk8board

unkel wrote: »

I disagree. Most small city cars do low mileage so the low running cost is of limited value. A city car for €30k is absurd. A petrol city car now costs €10k-€15k depending on make / model. With the current subsidies it really shouldn't be hard to sell a €15k-€20k city EV right now
SNIP
But there is far too little stick and not enough / the wrong carrot going on here.

Agree with you again. My elderly mother in law has a VW Up now. She loves it - small, easy to drive, amazing visibility and it was just €13k brand new, in non metallic white. I was in it last week to get her petrol and it had just 6,400kms on the clock after 2 years.
She lives in a large town and family are 20min drive away, so she does need a car, while she can still drive.

It will be a long long time before the economics of EVs can compete with that.

The EV revolution will be a lot slower than people think.

marketty

Excited to see the Honda E and that it will actually be very close to the concept version.

It's great to just see more models in general. Personally, the vast majority of EVs available next year will have plenty more range than what I need, which means range anxiety won't be a factor when I'm looking at second hand 2020+ models in a few years!

I would like to see more being done on the cheaper end of the market. A sub 20k EV would surely be a big hit all over Europe. Unfortunately I think the current grant scheme in Ireland largely gets absorbed by the manufacturers. We need to be looking at the bigger 'green' picture. Way more generous incentives for solar panels and home batteries, with a feed-in tariff. Every suitable home in the country should be encouraged to get this set up. Surely the vast majority of people would love to wipe out or massively cut the electricity bill, and the next logical step for those households is an EV if they don't already have one?

sk8board

Of the EVs we would buy, I think there are 2 that will be available for sale here in 2020:

ID3. replacement for our highline Golf

Model 3 LR. replacement for our 4 series GC

Our mileage is pretty low, so if EV pricing here continues to be anti mass-market adoption, we’ll sit tight and keep the cars we have.

...Ghost...

Nothing to look forward to that I have seen. There are plenty of small EVs around now and some are quite affordable after grants and subsidies, which obviously trickles down to the used car market.

What we need is a reasonably priced and available 7 seat family suv. Nissan did the ENV200, but there are very few of those around. Two on autotrader at present. Zero last week and a bit pricey too for what is essentially a low range van with extra windows and seats bolted in. Even looking at the interior of the rear cabin, it's very bare.

scooby77

Launching in 2020, though probably not on roads here until 21, are three SUV coupes of interest:
Polestar 2
VW ID Cross
Skoda Vision iv

Will try hold out til 2022 to change anyway. Polestar 2 my ambition in AWD LR, but probably dreaming! Like look of other two if spec and range sufficient. AWD a preference.

lampsie

I've been keeping an eye to Sion, who are aiming for 16k start plus around 10k for battery...talk of a lease model for batteries too which would take sting out if upfront costs. Most likely will only be a niche product, but their approach is interesting..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sono_Motors_Sion

Lumen

Taycan first drive.

30 "hard launches" to 200kph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP9kokeyxGU

Lumen

The Taycan is a bit of a weird proposition. They seem to be focusing a lot of "repeatability" of performance, but whilst doing 30x 0-200kph runs is interesting, it wouldn't give me confidence that I could do trackdays in it without severely accelerated wear of the battery. If I was doing trackdays I'd get a GT3RS.

So I guess at £120k for (presumably) the "turbo" version it's closest to a 911 turbo or Paramera Turbo substitute.

But if it's not going near the track, who cares about repeatability? I guess Porsche are just trying to signal that this is more advanced and reliable than a Model S, that this repeatable performance is there even if you're never going to need it.

September1

It seems that some unrealistic and almost fantasy vehicles are allowed on this thread. In that case I would say I look forward to well equipped Ioniq or Kona on Irish market.

Lumen

September1 wrote: »

It seems that some unrealistic and almost fantasy vehicles are allowed on this thread. In that case I would say I look forward to well equipped Ioniq or Kona on Irish market.

There are hundreds of thousands of people in this country who can't afford any new car.

FWIW I am no less interested in cars that I can't afford than those I can.

biko

Cleaned a bunch of posts.
Back on topic folks

Shefwedfan

Skoka Citgo: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/citigo/99236/all-electric-skoda-citigo-e-iv-revealed-for-2019-with-165-mile-range


Also this will be out but probably 2021

https://www.skoda.ie/news/news-detail/future-is-electric

catharsis

Taycan for the record looks likely to land at a price below that of a model X or S, or about the same as a well-specced e-Tron

Hardly FantasyLand, we have owners of those cars on this forum....

unkel

Where did you get that? In the fullycharged test of Taycan, Jonny mentioned GBP120k for the AWD version that will be on sale first. That is more than Tesla Model S top version with ludicrous acceleration (which BTW is a good bit faster than this Porsche). To put that into perspective. A direct competitor car is Porsche's own Panamera, which starts at €131k in Ireland. Porsches are not cheap cars if you buy them new

Lumen

Onboard lap - Porsche Taycan sets a record at the Nürburgring-Nordschleife
Record time on the world’s most challenging race track: a pre-series Taycan conquered the legendary Nürburgring-Nordschleife in 7:42 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m31EgQkswg

edit: apart from the cool noise at low speeds, the most interesting section to me is past 7 mins where the Taycan is flat out on the final straight.

In Nyland's June testing, 200-233kph in an M3P took exactly 9 seconds.

The Taycan on the 'ring did the same speed increment in 5 seconds. But it seems to have some kind of soft limiter a little under 260kph, so the top speeds are similar.

So whilst that fancy 2-speed transaxle gives twice the high speed acceleration at twice the price of the M3P, it doesn't deliver any greater vmax.