180km round trip commute. Need diesel

kavanaghinc

Hi all, looking some advice . Will be starting new job soon with a good commute a day . Between 2-4K to spend and was looking suggestings on a good diesel. Looking at mondeos, 520d & 320d bmws , insignia and friend suggested Peugeot 407s but heard the DPF filters are a nuisance . Any help appreciated . Also all motorway miles

mycro2013

kavanaghinc wrote: »

Hi all, looking some advice . Will be starting new job soon with a good commute a day . Between 2-4K to spend and was looking suggestings on a good diesel. Looking at mondeos, 520d & 320d bmws , insignia and friend suggested Peugeot 407s but heard the DPF filters are a nuisance . Any help appreciated . Also all motorway miles

Corolla d4d 05-07.

kirving

I wouldn't usually suggest an electric car, but if you can charge in work, this is exactly the type of mileage that is perfect for a Nissan Leaf.

Seriously, do the Maths on one for 7-8k. Even if you got a 3k loan to make up the difference, you'd pay it off in fuel pretty quickly.

Otherwise, get a Volvo (for the seats) if you plan on spending 900km a week in it for the foreseeable. 1.6d S40 SE Lux is a nice place to sit, economical, and reliable if looked after. 2.0 a little more thirsty, but more reliable too.

bazz26

Laguna 3 is worth a look at. The 2.0 litre is the one to get:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/laguna-2-0dci-nct-01-2020/21938236
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna/21764069

Look at the Saab 9-3 also, both have very comfortable seats which are ideal for commuting:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-93-sport-tdi/21909413

Leftfield choice:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-159-ti-2-4-diesel/22035375

kavanaghinc

I thought the likes of mondeos 520Ds passats focus etc maybe 1.8 or 2.0l diesel would be more fuel efficient

Never thought of Saab’s , would they be good on juice

bazz26

Did you include the cost of maintenance and repairs in your running costs or just fuel costs? The likes of BMWs and Insignias in your price range are not known for their reliability so you need to take into account the total running costs not just the simplistic fuel costs.

corks finest

kavanaghinc wrote: »

Hi all, looking some advice . Will be starting new job soon with a good commute a day . Between 2-4K to spend and was looking suggestings on a good diesel. Looking at mondeos, 520d & 320d bmws , insignia and friend suggested Peugeot 407s but heard the DPF filters are a nuisance . Any help appreciated . Also all motorway miles

Hybrid bud

GreeBo

Hyundai Kona does 400km per charge.

Would be much cheaper to run.

Alanstrainor

GreeBo wrote: »

Hyundai Kona does 400km per charge.

Would be much cheaper to run.

Between 2-4K to spend

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pa990

If you're doing 55miles each way to and from work, and only have a limited budget, get something that will be comfortable, with a bit of poke.

Heated seats, A/C , lumbar support, good sound system, Cruise control.

I don't know what I could buy for 2-4k that would be reliable long term.

GreeBo

Alanstrainor wrote: »

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Ah so not 24k then!

Though spending 4.5k a year on diesel and then add in tax...

Car loan and kona would be what i would do... pcp repayments would be coveted by fuel!

Fabio

bazz26 wrote: »

Laguna 3 is worth a look at. The 2.0 litre is the one to get:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/laguna-2-0dci-nct-01-2020/21938236
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna/21764069

Look at the Saab 9-3 also, both have very comfortable seats which are ideal for commuting:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-93-sport-tdi/21909413

Leftfield choice:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-159-ti-2-4-diesel/22035375

That Alfa 159 is bloody gorgeous.

The Bishop Basher

pa990 wrote: »

If you're doing 55miles each way to and from work, and only have a limited budget, get something that will be comfortable, with a bit of poke.

Heated seats, A/C , lumbar support, good sound system, Cruise control.

I don't know what I could buy for 2-4k that would be reliable long term.

I bought a 08 Saab 93 1.9 Ttid a coupe of years ago with all of the above extras (bar the sound system) for €2k.

It’s quick. It’s comfortable. Parts are cheap and it’s been very reliable so far. I plan on keeping it for a long time.

bazz26

GreeBo wrote: »

Ah so not 24k then!

Though spending 4.5k a year on diesel and then add in tax...

Car loan and kona would be what i would do... pcp repayments would be coveted by fuel!

What about the cost associated with having to endure driving a Kona for 900 km per week? :pac:

Alanstrainor

Fabio wrote: »

That Alfa 159 is bloody gorgeous.

That gen Alfa is one of my all time favourites. There's a 159 wagon in work, absolute beauty of a car.

GreeBo

bazz26 wrote: »

What about the cost associated with having to endure driving a Kona for 900 km per week? :pac:

You can buy whatever compensatory devices you need with the money saved!

bazz26

Or just buy a cheap car to do the job like the OP asked about.

ELM327

Moving away from ridiculous overpriced EVs...

I just bought a 2009 skoda superb for 3k. Diesel, dsg with heated leather seats, cruise etc. You could buy, tax and insure it and still have change from your 4k budget while getting a real world 50+ mpg.

Or you know, spend 40k from your 4k budget ( :P ) on a Kona EV. Seriously this forum can be ridiculous at times.

terrydel

Alanstrainor wrote: »

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Must have missed the -

terrydel

Alanstrainor wrote: »

That gen Alfa is one of my all time favourites. There's a 159 wagon in work, absolute beauty of a car.

Whats the boot like on those wagons? Is there a high lip on it?

terrydel

ELM327 wrote: »

Moving away from ridiculous overpriced EVs...

I just bought a 2009 skoda superb for 3k. Diesel, dsg with heated leather seats, cruise etc. You could buy, tax and insure it and still have change from your 4k budget while getting a real world 50+ mpg.

Or you know, spend 40k from your 4k budget ( :P ) on a Kona EV. Seriously this forum can be ridiculous at times.

Where? What was the mileage on it?

GreeBo

ELM327 wrote: »

Moving away from ridiculous overpriced EVs...

I just bought a 2009 skoda superb for 3k. Diesel, dsg with heated leather seats, cruise etc. You could buy, tax and insure it and still have change from your 4k budget while getting a real world 50+ mpg.

Or you know, spend 40k from your 4k budget ( :P ) on a Kona EV. Seriously this forum can be ridiculous at times.

Why Overpriced? Because it doesnt go vroom vroom when you stomp on the accelerator?:rolleyes:

50+ MPG is probably a bit of a stretch in fairness...considering the advertised efficiency is under 50mpg and manufacturers are not really known for under estimating that!

What will that cost to run at 180KM 5 days a week?
Lets take your 50MPG which is 4.7L/100KM
180KMx 5 days is 900 KM/week or 39,600 KM a year (assuming 44 weeks working weeks a year)
Which will need 1861 L of fuel a year.
That also assume ZERO driving of the car on weekends or holidays.

€1.35/litre gives you over €2,500 on fuel a year, excluding any maintenance requirements on 10+ year old car.
Add in NCT and servicing, Tax and you have what, say €500+ a year, before anything falls off or needs replacing?

So this cheap car is going to cost you €3,000 a year to run, assuming nothing catastrophic breaks or needs replacing.

Or €240 quid a week.

An Ioniq is €30K to buy new with a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty, servicing & AA roadside assistance not to mention half price tolls, (currently) free charging and no NCT.

With a €10K deposit you will pay under €400/month for a brand new car over 3 years with €8k FP.

The Kia Nero is €33K and will do up to 455 KM and has a 7 year transferable warranty.

Both cars will have a much better spec than a 10 year old Skoda.

So OP, how long do you plan on holding onto the car?
After 5 years your second hand, cheap diesel is going to be worth nothing (its probably worth nothing after a year tbh) and is only going to start causing you heartache.

Based on recent elections carbon tax etc is only going one way, so expect old diesels to not favour too well during tax renewal and at the pump.

BTW, I am currently driving a 9 year old Diesel A6.

GreeBo

bazz26 wrote: »

Or just buy a cheap car to do the job like the OP asked about.

Cheap to buy, expensive to run.

Do you want to pay now or later?

ELM327

terrydel wrote: »

Where? What was the mileage on it?

Meath
150k miles
fresh nct to 2020
Great condition overall, bodywork dinged from parks etc but mechanically great

GreeBo wrote: »

Why Overpriced? Because it doesnt go vroom vroom when you stomp on the accelerator?:rolleyes:

50+ MPG is probably a bit of a stretch in fairness...considering the advertised efficiency is under 50mpg and manufacturers are not really known for under estimating that!

What will that cost to run at 180KM 5 days a week?
Lets take your 50MPG which is 4.7L/100KM
180KMx 5 days is 900 KM/week or 39,600 KM a year (assuming 44 weeks working weeks a year)
Which will need 1861 L of fuel a year.
That also assume ZERO driving of the car on weekends or holidays.

€1.35/litre gives you over €2,500 on fuel a year, excluding any maintenance requirements on 10+ year old car.
Add in NCT and servicing, Tax and you have what, say €500+ a year, before anything falls off or needs replacing?

So this cheap car is going to cost you €3,000 a year to run, assuming nothing catastrophic breaks or needs replacing.

Or €240 quid a week.

An Ioniq is €30K to buy new with a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty, servicing & AA roadside assistance not to mention half price tolls, (currently) free charging and no NCT.

With a €10K deposit you will pay under €400/month for a brand new car over 3 years with €8k FP.

The Kia Nero is €33K and will do up to 455 KM and has a 7 year transferable warranty.

Both cars will have a much better spec than a 10 year old Skoda.

So OP, how long do you plan on holding onto the car?
After 5 years your second hand, cheap diesel is going to be worth nothing (its probably worth nothing after a year tbh) and is only going to start causing you heartache.

Based on recent elections carbon tax etc is only going one way, so expect old diesels to not favour too well during tax renewal and at the pump.

BTW, I am currently driving a 9 year old Diesel A6.

Touch a nerve have I?
40k is 36k overpriced for the OP whose budget is 4k.

(And the 50mpg is real based on brim measurement, I've been measuring and getting 48-52 over the 5k miles I've put on)

terrydel

GreeBo wrote: »

Cheap to buy, expensive to run.

Do you want to pay now or later?

He suggested a budget up to 4k, argue all you want about pros and cons but its blatantly obvious he doesnt want and cant spend 24k or whatever now.

bazz26

Whatever about the argument for buying an EV if the OP was looking for advice on buying a brand new car but it is just daft to be suggesting to spend 40k on a brand new car (EV or not) for someone who only has a budget of 2k to 4k. Maybe the OP doesn't have or want to put a 10k deposit on a new car and then pay 400 a month for it. And whatever way you want to gloss over it, your still bought a 40k car and it needs to be paid for, which is very unlikely to be of interest or affordability to someone looking to spend 2k to 4k on a car. The resale value argument is null too, a car costing 2k to 4k now that will be used to rack up 900km per week is not going to be bought for it's resale value. By that time the car will owe you very little.

GreeBo

bazz26 wrote: »

Whatever about the argument for buying an EV if the OP was looking for advice on buying a brand new car but it is just daft to be suggesting to spend 40k on a brand new car (EV or not) for someone who only has a budget of 2k to 4k. Maybe the OP doesn't have or want to put a 10k deposit on a new car and then pay 400 a month for it. And whatever way you want to gloss over it, your still bought a 40k car and it needs to be paid for, which is very unlikely to be of interest or affordability to someone looking to spend 2k to 4k on a car. The resale value argument is null too, a car costing 2k to 4k now that will be used to rack up 900km per week is not going to be bought for it's resale value. By that time the car will owe you very little.

It will owe you very little other than the 3k a year spent to run it barring any service issues.
Thats paying the value of the car again for every year you own it... minimum.
He has a budget of 2-4k now... but does he have the 3k a year to run it?

Paying for a new car monthly via a car loan will leave you in a much better place assuming you can afford the repayments.
After 5 years the op will have spent in excess of 18k on a car that is worth nothing and still costing minimum 3k a year to run. And thats before it needs a clutch or gearbox or dpf etc etc.

Hence the point of asking how long the op will need the car.
After 5 years you could sell the kona for 25k+... which will save you money compared to the old diesel.

EVs have changed the maths on buying new vs old when you are doing the OPs mileage, its worth pointing this out rather than just buying a diesel on auto pilot.

GreeBo

ELM327 wrote: »

Meath
150k miles
fresh nct to 2020
Great condition overall, bodywork dinged from parks etc but mechanically great


Touch a nerve have I?
40k is 36k overpriced for the OP whose budget is 4k.

(And the 50mpg is real based on brim measurement, I've been measuring and getting 48-52 over the 5k miles I've put on)

A nerve?
Im pointing out facts to help the OP... what nerve could you possibly have touched?

As above, is important to do the maths and not default to diesel.
If you only have 4k to buy a car spending the same every year to run it doesn't seem very smart to me.
Its not like he is buying a luxobsrge for weekend roaming.
A low budget would imply someone looking to save money... not spend the same again every year in running costs compared to the 500 quid an EV would cost per year.

selectamatic

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s80-d5/22024014

2007 D5 volvo s80
Auto box
Test till next March
Full leather and should have all the spec a man could want for a long commute.
Mpgs in the mid 40's
Asking €2400
Same owner since 2014 which is a good sign.

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

Lets take your 50MPG which is 4.7L/100KM.

50mpg is 5.6L/100km.

GreeBo

Frances Long Banner wrote: »

50mpg is 5.6L/100km.

Oh in that case then buying diesel is the only option. Always.

I was using US gallon mea culpa.

terrydel

GreeBo wrote: »

It will owe you very little other than the 3k a year spent to run it barring any service issues.
Thats paying the value of the car again for every year you own it... minimum.
He has a budget of 2-4k now... but does he have the 3k a year to run it?

Paying for a new car monthly via a car loan will leave you in a much better place assuming you can afford the repayments.
After 5 years the op will have spent in excess of 18k on a car that is worth nothing and still costing minimum 3k a year to run. And thats before it needs a clutch or gearbox or dpf etc etc.

Hence the point of asking how long the op will need the car.
After 5 years you could sell the kona for 25k+... which will save you money compared to the old diesel.

EVs have changed the maths on buying new vs old when you are doing the OPs mileage, its worth pointing this out rather than just buying a diesel on auto pilot.

Can't believe you are still arguing this. Actually comes across as incredibly arrogant. Give it a rest

GreeBo

terrydel wrote: »

Can't believe you are still arguing this. Actually comes across as incredibly arrogant. Give it a rest

Feel free not to read it at any time there chief.

terrydel

GreeBo wrote: »

Feel free not to read it at any time there chief.

Whats the minimum cash payment he's gonna need to buy this new ev? How many multiples of the 4k max he has available to him?

GreeBo

terrydel wrote: »

Whats the minimum cash payment he's gonna need to buy this new ev? How many multiples of the 4k max he has available to him?

If he gets a car loan then zero.

My whole point is that to buy this cheap diesel he needs a minimum of 3 grand a year to keep it on the road, assuming this 10 year old car has ZERO issues.

Thats 7 grand in year 1.

And after 5 years he has spent almost 20 grand and has a 15 year old car with 350K KM on the clock to show for it...thats assuming of course that the arse doesnt fall out of it.

He now has to buy another cheap diesel for 3k and start again.

If you can afford the repayments and do the mileage the OP is doing, then an EV is a very realistic and attractive choice these days.

Buying a cheap, old car is like renting instead of buying...without any of the benefits and all of the issues.

terrydel

GreeBo wrote: »

If he gets a car loan then zero.

My whole point is that to buy this cheap diesel he needs a minimum of 3 grand a year to keep it on the road, assuming this 10 year old car has ZERO issues.

Thats 7 grand in year 1.

And after 5 years he has spent almost 20 grand and has a 15 year old car with 350K KM on the clock to show for it...thats assuming of course that the arse doesnt fall out of it.

He now has to buy another cheap diesel for 3k and start again.

If you can afford the repayments and do the mileage the OP is doing, then an EV is a very realistic and attractive choice these days.

Buying a cheap, old car is like renting instead of buying...without any of the benefits and all of the issues.

Mother of God. Maybe he can't afford a car loan,
Isn't eligible for one etc etc ad nauseum . You are not accounting for someone's cash flow situation at all. You act like a loan is somehow free.
'if you can afford the repayments ' - when he tells us he can, then we can start with these suggestions. It's pretty clear he can't or does not wish to for whatever reason, so respect that.

GreeBo

terrydel wrote: »

Mother of God. Maybe he can't afford a car loan,
Isn't eligible for one etc etc ad nauseum . You are not accounting for someone's cash flow situation at all. You act like a loan is somehow free.
'if you can afford the repayments ' - when he tells us he can, then we can start with these suggestions. It's pretty clear he can't or does not wish to for whatever reason, so respect that.

Maybe he cant or maybe he can and just hasnt thought about not buying a diesel.
Thats kinda the point, that there are other options than just "buy a 10 year old diesel"

Where did I say a loan was free?

YOU are acting like a 10 year old car is free to run and ignoring the fact that the OP will be paying more than than car is worth EVERY year just to use it for commuting.

a 30K car loan will cost 580 a month over 4 years from KBC.
compared to min 300 a month for the life of the second hand diesel.

I'm not saying its for everyone, I'm saying that everyone should at least consider it, since its cheaper in the long run.

pablo128

GreeBo wrote: »

Maybe he cant or maybe he can and just hasnt thought about not buying a diesel.
Thats kinda the point, that there are other options than just "buy a 10 year old diesel"

Where did I say a loan was free?

YOU are acting like a 10 year old car is free to run and ignoring the fact that the OP will be paying more than than car is worth EVERY year just to use it for commuting.

a 30K car loan will cost 580 a month over 4 years from KBC.
compared to min 300 a month for the life of the second hand diesel.

I'm not saying its for everyone, I'm saying that everyone should at least consider it, since its cheaper in the long run.

I wouldn't drive to the end of the road in an EV. I just don't like them. Many people feel the same.

A fcuking cordless drill on wheels is what they are.

Audioslaven

Honda Civic ICDTI 8th gen would not have a DPF. Only issue with them is the clutch may give hassle but other than that a solid car

kirving

As I posted, the milage and usage profile certainly suits an EV, and in many respects it's better to pay for depreciation than fuel, as you're often sitting in a nicer car day to day.

The problem is many people who may otherwise consider an EV, myself included, find it very hard to justify tying themselves to a big (and almost neverending) loan.

You've really got to keep changing the car every few years if you take the mindset of a loan being a better investment than potential big maintenance bills, and in this case, fuel.

ELM327

GreeBo wrote: »

A nerve?
Im pointing out facts to help the OP... what nerve could you possibly have touched?

As above, is important to do the maths and not default to diesel.
If you only have 4k to buy a car spending the same every year to run it doesn't seem very smart to me.
Its not like he is buying a luxobsrge for weekend roaming.
A low budget would imply someone looking to save money... not spend the same again every year in running costs compared to the 500 quid an EV would cost per year.

Your big rant?
Anyway the chap clearly doesn't want to or can't spend 30k+ on a car. People have different likes, wants and resources.


He's stated his budget is 4k and you're suggesting an EV that costs multiples. That's like someone stating their housing budget is 100k and you're posting houses for 400k in Terenure that have cheaper running costs due to better energy efficiency and cheaper commute!!

ELM327

GreeBo wrote: »

Maybe he cant or maybe he can and just hasnt thought about not buying a diesel.
Thats kinda the point, that there are other options than just "buy a 10 year old diesel"

Where did I say a loan was free?

YOU are acting like a 10 year old car is free to run and ignoring the fact that the OP will be paying more than than car is worth EVERY year just to use it for commuting.

a 30K car loan will cost 580 a month over 4 years from KBC.
compared to min 300 a month for the life of the second hand diesel.

I'm not saying its for everyone, I'm saying that everyone should at least consider it, since its cheaper in the long run.

So in the EV after 4 years, you've paid double what the OP wanted in the cheap diesel (580p/m vs 300p/m)
And your 30k EV is now worth 14k.


Remind me again why this is cheaper?

terrydel

ELM327 wrote: »

So in the EV after 4 years, you've paid double what the OP wanted in the cheap diesel (580p/m vs 300p/m)
And your 30k EV is now worth 14k.


Remind me again why this is cheaper?

This is so typical of modern day Ireland attitudes to money, sure everyone can just pull another 300 quid a month out of their ar*e.
This guy is either taking the piss completely or on drugs.

terrydel

GreeBo wrote: »

Maybe he cant or maybe he can and just hasnt thought about not buying a diesel.
Thats kinda the point, that there are other options than just "buy a 10 year old diesel"

Where did I say a loan was free?

YOU are acting like a 10 year old car is free to run and ignoring the fact that the OP will be paying more than than car is worth EVERY year just to use it for commuting.

a 30K car loan will cost 580 a month over 4 years from KBC.
compared to min 300 a month for the life of the second hand diesel.

I'm not saying its for everyone, I'm saying that everyone should at least consider it, since its cheaper in the long run.

Mortgages are cheaper than renting in the long term, for the most part, but many dont have the option because they simply dont have the savings to avail of one, same principle here, the guy does not have the money for monthly repayments or the big downpayment with pcp.

tossy

If only the EV car was as innovative as the EV Fan boy, they've changed the fan boy game forever. It's like all the fan boys gone before have formed like Voltron to create a super fan boy.

GreeBo

pablo128 wrote: »

I wouldn't drive to the end of the road in an EV. I just don't like them. Many people feel the same.

A fcuking cordless drill on wheels is what they are.

Now you are just showing your ignorance tbh.

What dont you like, all the torque on tap, the low running costs, the low maintenance costs, the zero emissions or that it doesn't go VROOM VROOM?

Dravokivich

GreeBo wrote: »

Now you are just showing your ignorance tbh.

What dont you like, all the torque on tap, the low running costs, the low maintenance costs, the zero emissions or that it doesn't go VROOM VROOM?

The cost to purchase it and accessibility to run it. Most folks dont really care about the rest of the stuff that gets lumped into the stereotypical ICE / EV debate.

GreeBo

Kevin Irving wrote: »

As I posted, the milage and usage profile certainly suits an EV, and in many respects it's better to pay for depreciation than fuel, as you're often sitting in a nicer car day to day.

The problem is many people who may otherwise consider an EV, myself included, find it very hard to justify tying themselves to a big (and almost neverending) loan.

You've really got to keep changing the car every few years if you take the mindset of a loan being a better investment than potential big maintenance bills, and in this case, fuel.

The big loan can be hard, but you also have to find 3K+ a year to run an old Diesel, its not just the initial costs that have to be compared.

Not sure I agree that you need to keep changing the car, with a 7 year warranty on the Kia for example, why would you change before that?

ELM327

GreeBo wrote: »

Now you are just showing your ignorance tbh.

What dont you like, all the torque on tap, the low running costs, the low maintenance costs, the zero emissions or that it doesn't go VROOM VROOM?

Probably the 40k vs 4k cost which doesn't meet the requirements of the OP.
A fact that 4 pages in you still can't grasp.

GreeBo

Dravokivich wrote: »

The cost to purchase it and accessibility to run it. Most folks dont really care about the rest of the stuff that gets lumped into the stereotypical ICE / EV debate.

You can buy a 2011 leaf for under 10K if you wanted to.
Accessibility can be an issue if you live in an apartment or have on street parking, but a lot of people get around this via public charging or charging at work/car parks.

GreeBo

ELM327 wrote: »

Probably the 40k vs 4k cost which doesn't meet the requirements of the OP.
A fact that 4 pages in you still can't grasp.

The post I responded to had no mention of price, only that EV cars are cordless drills and that "I just dont like them" :rolleyes: