Leaf 40kWh price increase

olearydc

Hi all

Had a phone call earlier from Nissan Dealer

I had been in approx 6 montsh ago talking about the new 60KWh version
They told me it should be in soon but no definite price as of yet

I asked about the Leaf 40kWh and would it be dropping a bit in price as I was thinking about that if budget allowed. He said the oppsoite in fact and that it is going up approx 1,000.

Shame, may just wait till we have more choice and prices start to come down

KCross

olearydc wrote: »

Shame, may just wait till we have more choice and prices start to come down

Dont expect that any time soon. Its a few years away, imo.

The only BEV arriving in volume that would be competing with the Leaf 40kWh is the ID.3.... unless the Korean's start upping their production volume.

The ID.3 wont be here until Summer 2020 and its likely that there will only be hundreds arriving in this country for 2020.

2021 should see an increase in numbers and MAYBE then you will see price reductions but I wouldnt be holding my breath.

Nissan are not increasing the price on a whim. They know whats competing with them and they have now seen the price of ID.3, Tesla Model 3, Kona EV, eNiro and they know they can increase price and still sell.

olearydc wrote: »

I asked about the Leaf 40kWh and would it be dropping a bit in price

Dont expect the L40 price to reduce just because of L62 coming out. L62 will be €5k+ more than the L40 so L40 prices (new and secondhand) will almost certainly remain steady.

slave1

L40 used gone up £2k in the UK compared to 6 months ago, used to be touching the £22k mark, now cheapest are around the £24k mark

unkel

Pretty much all second hand EVs have gone up in value in the UK.

i3 started at about GBP10k a year ago, now GBP14k
Ioniq started at about GBP18k a year ago, now GBP23k

Even now out of warranty Tesla Model S is holding fairly steadily, although the new price of them was dropped by something like 20% and they have a new model out which is of interest to current Model S owners

supply of second hand EVs <<<<<<< demand for second hand EVs

The L40 was supposed to start at 23k+delivery (if I remember correctly) with the XE model but due to higher than expected demand in Europe they scrapped the base model almost immediately although a few of those (known as Visia in UK/EU) made it in the market. Now it seems that the new SV base model price OTR is pushing towards the 30k mark.

As said above the volume competition at this price point is severely lacking and Nissan can do what they want. Depending on how the VW/Skoda/Seat plans turn out with eUp and ID clones means that as said again it could be late 2020 early 2021 before there is any particular pressure for Nissan to bring the prices down. Also I suspect the European prices are used to prop up the profits in other regions, notably the North America, where the LEAF doesn't really sell due to local competion and taste for larger vehicles.

...Ghost...

unkel wrote: »

Pretty much all second hand EVs have gone up in value in the UK.

SNIP

supply of second hand EVs <<<<<<< demand for second hand EVs

I second this. I purchased a 2014 Tekna 2 years ago with less than 30k miles on it. Price was £11k. The cheapest 2014 Tekna from a UK dealer is £11k today and with twice the miles. There is one for £10k, but it's a private sale and looks unloved.

I spent a week looking for a 30kWh Leaf for my SIL. Half a dozen good deals I spotted were gone within hours. I found a 6.6 acenta up north with 75k miles going for £12k. I got 250 off it and collected on Friday. It's hard to find any deals on EVs now.

My Leafs have seen zero and negative depreciation since purchasing. Get in as soon as you can, because you will be long time waiting for the right price.

krissovo

There is some dealer stock at the "old" pricing if you ring around, quite a few in white white/black I discovered.

unkel

...Ghost... wrote: »

I spent a week looking for a 30kWh Leaf for my SIL. Half a dozen good deals I spotted were gone within hours. I found a 6.6 acenta up north with 75k miles going for £12k. I got 250 off it and collected on Friday.

You did very well there. It seems the seller wasn't quite aware that the L30 is also going up in value. You will have no trouble selling that on in a year from now for what you paid for it. Combine that with the already extremely low cost of EV motoring and you got yourself an almost free car

olearydc

Hi Ghost

Totally right

I actully do have a 24L for over 2 years now
We have our main 2.0 Ltr Diesel which was ment to be our main car but both my wife and myself drive the leaf 90% of the time, Great Car
Thinking about making both our cars BEV's but may wait a while until prices and choice are there before we replace the main car

slave1

Same boat but sitting looking at cars/prices I think we've already settled and the market is going to be €38k for a new 64kWh EV for years to come

unkel

olearydc wrote: »

I actully do have a 24L for over 2 years now
We have our main 2.0 Ltr Diesel which was ment to be our main car but both my wife and myself drive the leaf 90% of the time

This happens to most people

Battery production will take at least ( in my opinion ) another 5 years to improve before prices start to fall noticeably. Until then costs will remain high until there's plenty of supply.

+ manufacturers are making too much profit to care.

Nissan still only has one ev after 10 years with absolutely nothing new on the horizon. ( yes 10 years since the development of MK I leaf ) amazing.

Silent Running

I was speaking to a Nissan dealer this morning. He says that there's a boat load of 60kWh Leaf SVE cars heading for Ireland right now. The price difference from the L40 will be in the region of €6K, and the L40 is going up €1200.

The battery in the L60 has no liquid cooling, or heating of any kind.

It's sad to see Nissan slipping so far behind with the Leaf. They did a lot to establish the roots of EV ownership here and, at the moment, are the only mainstream EV with a steady supply of cars.

Mike9832

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Battery production will take at least ( in my opinion ) another 5 years to improve before prices start to fall noticeably. Until then costs will remain high until there's plenty of supply.

+ manufacturers are making too much profit to care.

Nissan still only has one ev after 10 years with absolutely nothing new on the horizon. ( yes 10 years since the development of MK I leaf ) amazing.

Its got nothing to do with battery prices at this stage

Prices have went down

Its to do with consumers paying the asking prices in droves and autogiants keeping supply tight, they've played a blinder here

Its going to be very difficult to break this imo even with Government intervention

Autogiants have been very smart, alot smarter than I thought they would be

The saviour Tesla have gone to **** during all this, selling overpriced junk, with a lunatic in charge

Mike9832

Silent Running wrote: »

I was speaking to a Nissan dealer this morning. He says that there's a boat load of 60kWh Leaf SVE cars heading for Ireland right now. The price difference from the L40 will be in the region of €6K, and the L40 is going up €1200.

The battery in the L60 has no liquid cooling, or heating of any kind.

It's sad to see Nissan slipping so far behind with the Leaf. They did a lot to establish the roots of EV ownership here and, at the moment, are the only mainstream EV with a steady supply of cars.

They'll l probably sell everyone for a profit

Well played Nissan

sk8board

If the prices stay up, and supply is slow to get to market, then the mass market of buyers will stay out EVs and early adopters will compete for whatever stock there is.
i.e a continuation of what’s currently happening.

1 in 45 new car sales YTD are electric - it’s still a market for early adopters and this forum is a microcosm of those early adopters.

The ‘autogiants’ are giving buyers what they want, not what they want them to want. No grand conspiracy. No false flag, fake news tomfoolery!
Most people are in small diesel hatchbacks driving 8-10,000km per year, spending about €1k annually on fuel and under €200 to tax. They’ll be happy to wait for EVs to be more mainstream and prices to settle, assuming they are even curious to begin with. It costs far less to wait than it does to “jump in now while you can”.

unkel

sk8board wrote: »

1 in 45 new car sales YTD are electric

Here in Ireland yeah. We are very far behind. In Norway almost 60% of new car sales are full electric. We are poor at the carrot and stick game. They are experts.

That said, there simply isn't the production capacity of batteries in the world and there won't be for quite some time for all countries to quickly ramp up to Norway levels of EV buying...

...Ghost...

Mike9832 wrote: »

Its got nothing to do with battery prices at this stage

Prices have went down

Its to do with consumers paying the asking prices in droves and autogiants keeping supply tight, they've played a blinder here

Its going to be very difficult to break this imo even with Government intervention

Autogiants have been very smart, alot smarter than I thought they would be

The saviour Tesla have gone to **** during all this, selling overpriced junk, with a lunatic in charge

Without the personal and financial sacrifice and risk of that lunatic, we would probably be waiting until 2040 before EVs had another peak into the world. Hats off to any lunatic who has made the world a slightly better place to be.

sk8board wrote: »

SNIP

Most people are in small diesel hatchbacks driving 8-10,000km per year, spending about €1k annually on fuel and under €200 to tax. They’ll be happy to wait for EVs to be more mainstream and prices to settle, assuming they are even curious to begin with. It costs far less to wait than it does to “jump in now while you can”.

You might be right, but I have only watched EV prices in suspension, as ascension. I have a 7 year old which has has appreciated in value by ~50% and a 5 year old Leaf which has kept its price from when I bought 2 years ago.

If someone is going to change their car anyway and an EV suits them, then it makes perfect sense to "jump in now" while they can. I wouldn't advocate changing just because they drive an ICE.

sk8board

...Ghost... wrote: »

You might be right, but I have only watched EV prices in suspension, as ascension. I have a 7 year old which has has appreciated in value by ~50% and a 5 year old Leaf which has kept its price from when I bought 2 years ago.

If someone is going to change their car anyway and an EV suits them, then it makes perfect sense to "jump in now" while they can. I wouldn't advocate changing just because they drive an ICE.

I know your point, but on the one hand 5-7 year old EV's are very rare, so the % change in depreciation is very minimal anyway, but on the other hand, the market for those 2nd hand EV's is other early adopters, who can't rationalise a €55k model 3 or a €40k Kona, but can afford a €15k 2nd hand Leaf, that was €12-13k a few months ago. No biggie.

The ICE market did the same thing back in '12-'14 when the supply of 3 year old 2nd hand from '09-11 dried up and sterling was strong too.

It's just the supply and demand economics of the 2nd hand market and its certainly the EV's turn.

unkel

And back in that period you describe, sk8board, I didn't feel sorry for folks forking out €20k for a second hand 6 year old '08 E60 BMW 520d while they could have bought the 7 year old '07 E60 BMW 520d for €10k. But they went the extra ten grand cos of chape tax

I want to buy a 40kwh leaf,probably early next year.
The SVE i would say
Is there anything to be gained buying cash ?

krissovo

BrownFinger wrote: »

I want to buy a 40kwh leaf,probably early next year.
The SVE i would say
Is there anything to be gained buying cash ?

Currently very little, I went to two dealers and close to the RRP is about as good as it gets. I did get two tone paint thrown in but that had more to do with what was available rather than haggling. They were more interested with a PCP deal than cash and not overly interested in a part exchange. No chance of scrappage for the foreseeable future.

catharsis

krissovo wrote: »

Currently very little, I went to two dealers and close to the RRP is about as good as it gets. I did get two tone paint thrown in but that had more to do with what was available rather than haggling. They were more interested with a PCP deal than cash and not overly interested in a part exchange. No chance of scrappage for the foreseeable future.

again just to highight that the new leaf+ is 8,200 more than the last one.

earlier in the thread it was suggested that the new leaf will be 1200 more expensive, and the leaf+ will be an extra 1K on top

I didn't get exact details of whether the new leaf will be 2,200 more than the old one, or whether the Leaf+ is an extra 7k rather than 6k as suggested upthread.

Silent Running

catharsis wrote: »

again just to highight that the new leaf+ is 8,200 more than the last one.

earlier in the thread it was suggested that the new leaf will be 1200 more expensive, and the leaf+ will be an extra 1K on top

I didn't get exact details of whether the new leaf will be 2,200 more than the old one, or whether the Leaf+ is an extra 7k rather than 6k as suggested upthread.

My understanding, from chatting with a Nissan dealer sales manager, was that the L40 is going up €1,200 in price and the L60 will be around €6,000 more than that price. So at least €7,200 more than the current price of the L40. To say he was disappointed is an understatement. :P

He's afraid there won't be a market for the L60 at over €41,000, if you include delivery and associated charges.

BENDYBINN

Silent Running wrote: »

My understanding, from chatting with a Nissan dealer sales manager, was that the L40 is going up €1,200 in price and the L60 will be around €6,000 more than that price. So at least €7,200 more than the current price of the L40. To say he was disappointed is an understatement. :P

He's afraid there won't be a market for the L60 at over €41,000, if you include delivery and associated charges.

Miriam O Callaghan took three hours to charge her car goin from Dublin to Kerry............says a lot about evs ...unfortunately they are still just a local runaround.

Silent Running

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Miriam O Callaghan took three hours to charge her car goin from Dublin to Kerry............says a lot about evs ...unfortunately they are still just a local runaround.

Says a lot about Miriam O'Callaghan.

catharsis

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Miriam O Callaghan took three hours to charge her car goin from Dublin to Kerry............says a lot about evs ...unfortunately they are still just a local runaround.

just to be clear they picked the only (as far as I know) car available for sale which does NOT include 'fast charging' (neither DC nor 'Fast AC') because it is specifically designed to be only used as a city runabout.

Then they decided to drive it to Valentia island :rolleyes:

Even the exact car they drove has a 'non-city' version with 'Fast-AC' charging, but they did not demonstrate that one.

irishgrover

BENDYBINN wrote:

Miriam O Callaghan took three hours to charge her car goin from Dublin to Kerry............says a lot about evs ...unfortunately they are still just a local runaround.

It says nothing whatsoever about EVs. It does say a lot about RTE purposely staging a scenario that was going to fail because it makes slightly more interesting TV. Literally staged bull**** paid for by our taxes.

Old diesel

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Silent Running wrote: »

My understanding, from chatting with a Nissan dealer sales manager, was that the L40 is going up €1,200 in price and the L60 will be around €6,000 more than that price. So at least €7,200 more than the current price of the L40. To say he was disappointed is an understatement. :P

He's afraid there won't be a market for the L60 at over €41,000, if you include delivery and associated charges.

Miriam O Callaghan took three hours to charge her car goin from Dublin to Kerry............says a lot about evs ...unfortunately they are still just a local runaround.

A 64 kwh car like Hyundai and Kia offer - would do that trip easily with in worst case scenario ONE relatively short stop.

I think a 20 minute charge would do it.

Mike9832

Old diesel wrote: »

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Silent Running wrote: »

My understanding, from chatting with a Nissan dealer sales manager, was that the L40 is going up €1,200 in price and the L60 will be around €6,000 more than that price. So at least €7,200 more than the current price of the L40. To say he was disappointed is an understatement. :P

He's afraid there won't be a market for the L60 at over €41,000, if you include delivery and associated charges.

Miriam O Callaghan took three hours to charge her car goin from Dublin to Kerry............says a lot about evs ...unfortunately they are still just a local runaround.

A 64 kwh car like Hyundai and Kia offer - would do that trip easily with in worst case scenario ONE relatively short stop.

I think a 20 minute charge would do it.

Yeah but they cost the same as a Mercedes

Zoe is like €25,0000

slave1

Stop feeding the troll

Mike9832

slave1 wrote: »

Stop feeding the troll

Stop being mean

What did i say that's not true?

Luckylow10

Out of interest what do you reckon a 192 40kw leaf in good condition with low to average mileage be worth in 3 years?

My dealer gave me gfmv of 11,174..

Car is ordered but I’m still working out best way to purchase. I don’t like to use huge savings on car purchases so it’s either PCP, hp or loan..

Mike9832

Luckylow10 wrote: »

Out of interest what do you reckon a 192 40kw leaf in good condition with low to average mileage be worth in 3 years?

My dealer gave me gfmv of 11,174..

Car is ordered but I’m still working out best way to purchase. I don’t like to use huge savings on car purchases so it’s either PCP, hp or loan..

Worth alot more than €11,174

catharsis

Mike9832 wrote: »

Worth alot more than €11,174

I would also think so.

be aware if getting a PCP on your first EV that your mileage may actually go UP because you don't feel guilty about using the car (or don't have to pay for petrol)

so watch out for PCP mileage charges, this could quickly take back any gains you make from having residual way over the PCP value if you are 'fined' for having used the car .

Casati

catharsis wrote: »

I would also think so.

be aware if getting a PCP on your first EV that your mileage may actually go UP because you don't feel guilty about using the car (or don't have to pay for petrol)

so watch out for PCP mileage charges, this could quickly take back any gains you make from having residual way over the PCP value if you are 'fined' for having used the car .

Such mileage charges will only apply if you hand the car back

catharsis

Casati wrote: »

Such mileage charges will only apply if you hand the car back

true of course

Lantus

Luckylow10 wrote: »

Out of interest what do you reckon a 192 40kw leaf in good condition with low to average mileage be worth in 3 years?

My dealer gave me gfmv of 11,174..

Car is ordered but I’m still working out best way to purchase. I don’t like to use huge savings on car purchases so it’s either PCP, hp or loan..

GMFV is your outstanding debt on the car. Its value will be the market value which should be more than the gmfv but extreme mileage, crash damage etc could push the value below the gmfv. Same as any car bought anyhow.

Luckylow10

Lantus wrote: »

GMFV is your outstanding debt on the car. Its value will be the market value which should be more than the gmfv but extreme mileage, crash damage etc could push the value below the gmfv. Same as any car bought anyhow.

Yes I think the lower the gfmv the better for me personally as I’ll probably keep car, or if not buy it and sell privately and be free to shop elsewhere