Round up detected in Mayo water supply.

Say my name

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/forestry-enviro/environment/appeal-to-farmers-after-weedkiller-detected-in-drinking-water-in-mayo-38156834.html

And do you know what. Having witnessed council workers spraying excessively on a two mile long concrete footpath going into New Ross that flushes into the river Barrow. I'd well believe that the Mayo case had nothing to do with farmers but it'll be farmers countrywide who'll bare the brunt of this case.

emaherx

I've never seen as much roadside verges being sprayed with round up as this year, really makes the place look awful.

alps

After our most recent high rain event, our nearby river overflowed and deposited a wide range of plastic bottles and canisters in a farmers field. It's less than 2 miles from source and backing onto the river is a hauliers yard, an vehicle repair garage, a few houses, 3 road bridges but no farmyard...

Its was amazing to see how much has washed down and you could only imagine how much plastic and canisters must enter the rivers over many miles.

Uou can also imagine the damage that would happen from an empty roundup canister making it to the river..

_Brian

There’s no reference to the concentration it was detected at nor how close this is to the safe level acceptable.

Modern science has to ability to detect ppm “parts per million” of A specific substance suspended on water. But without something regarding the levels of detection it’s just clickbait and even worse it’s part of the big set up of farming to bear the brunt of the “climate emergency” that FG are going to unleash after the election results.

It’s like the story abkut glyphosate in cornflakes, but it was detected at such low concentrations that you had to eat something like 30kg a day for 20 years to eat anything close to the limit that is considered dangerous.

two wheels good

_Brian wrote: »

There’s no reference to the concentration it was detected at nor how close this is to the safe level acceptable.

Modern science has to ability to detect ppm “parts per million” of A specific substance suspended on water. But without something regarding the levels of detection it’s just clickbait and even worse it’s part of the big set up of farming to bear the brunt of the “climate emergency” that FG are going to unleash after the election results.

It’s like the story abkut glyphosate in cornflakes, but it was detected at such low concentrations that you had to eat something like 30kg a day for 20 years to eat anything close to the limit that is considered dangerous.

I think you're overlooking some important points:

There has long been concern that the current permittted levels are too high - esp. in the US.
Glyphosate is being found in crops where it is not expected. Being used as a dessicant prior to harvest. That's quite shocking when you think about it.
Some foods are showing levels higher than the permitted levels.
It may be an endocryne disrupter so it's true affects are difficult to quantify. Plus it's harming other species.

It's now recognised as a probable carcinogen. If that's the case is there an acceptable permitted level in the food chain?

blackbox

two wheels good wrote: »

I think you're overlooking some important points:

There has long been concern that the current permittted levels are too high - esp. in the US.
Glyphosate is being found in crops where it is not expected. Being used as a dessicant prior to harvest. That's quite shocking when you think about it.
Some foods are showing levels higher than the permitted levels.
It may be an endocryne disrupter so it's true affects are difficult to quantify. Plus it's harming other species.

It's now recognised as a probable carcinogen. If that's the case is there an acceptable permitted level in the food chain?

There's an acceptable permitted level for arsenic, so I don't see why not.

tabby aspreme

I would have thought excessive Roundup use would be associated with tillage farming areas, not the type of farming that you see around Newport. The council seem to be using it at rural road junctions, around sign posts and on footpaths a lot this year

Waffletraktor

two wheels good wrote: »

I think you're overlooking some important points:

There has long been concern that the current permittted levels are too high - esp. in the US.
Glyphosate is being found in crops where it is not expected. Being used as a dessicant prior to harvest. That's quite shocking when you think about it.
Some foods are showing levels higher than the permitted levels.
It may be an endocryne disrupter so it's true affects are difficult to quantify. Plus it's harming other species.

It's now recognised as a probable carcinogen. If that's the case is there an acceptable permitted level in the food chain?

Much difference in pre harvest glypho to dipping fruit in fungicides to improve storage or is that just not sexy enough for the green brigade?
What's the permitted levels of cocaine in water! :pac:

Waffletraktor

Say my name wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/forestry-enviro/environment/appeal-to-farmers-after-weedkiller-detected-in-drinking-water-in-mayo-38156834.html

And do you know what. Having witnessed council workers spraying excessively on a two mile long concrete footpath going into New Ross that flushes into the river Barrow. I'd well believe that the Mayo case had nothing to do with farmers but it'll be farmers countrywide who'll bare the brunt of this case.

Glyphos is easy peasy to clean out compared to something like methiocarb(slug pellets,methaldehyde was even worse) or some contraceptive pill hormones.

two wheels good

blackbox wrote: »

There's an acceptable permitted level for arsenic, so I don't see why not.

Side-stepping other points duly noted.

two wheels good

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Much difference in pre harvest glypho to dipping fruit in fungicides to improve storage or is that just not sexy enough for the green brigade?
What's the permitted levels of cocaine in water! :pac:

A benefitial use of fungicides it can be argued. Using glyphosate as a dessicant can be avoided.

Say my name

alps wrote: »

After our most recent high rain event, our nearby river overflowed and deposited a wide range of plastic bottles and canisters in a farmers field. It's less than 2 miles from source and backing onto the river is a hauliers yard, an vehicle repair garage, a few houses, 3 road bridges but no farmyard...

Its was amazing to see how much has washed down and you could only imagine how much plastic and canisters must enter the rivers over many miles.

Uou can also imagine the damage that would happen from an empty roundup canister making it to the river..

I went for a walk down around Carnsore point a few weeks back. Mostly just for a reckie to see if any seaweed washed up.
I left dejected..

There was seaweed alright but the amount of rubbish washed up and mixed through was unbelievable.
Here you had the corner of Ireland one of the most remotest parts. Settled by Neolithic farmers who left some standing stones in the area as a reminder of their presence.
And the present generations reminder is washed up rope, clothes (I haven't a clue how they are washing up or where they are coming from and seemingly the zip parts don't break down in seawater), plastic bottles, plastic rings, plastic gloves, sheet plastic, you name it if it floats it was washing up there. Disgraceful. A filthy selfish disgusting generation we are . :mad:

On my own little farm I had a fine bunch of nettles earmarked for putting into an ibc tank and making foliar spray with. It was beside a neighbour's dwelling beside a beech hedge on land I've taken and under the electric fence and in the field. Had a gander at said clump the other day when spreading fertilizer and the neighbours had sprayed roundup along the bottom of their hedge and just about completely took out the whole clump of nettles in the field as well.
Backwards people!!
And farmers get a bad rep for lost biodiversity?? :rolleyes:

My nettle quota on the farm now is very low now as a result.

Mooooo

Say my name wrote: »

I went for a walk down around Carnsore point a few weeks back. Mostly just for a reckie to see if any seaweed washed up.
I left dejected..

There was seaweed alright but the amount of rubbish washed up and mixed through was unbelievable.
Here you had the corner of Ireland one of the most remotest parts. Settled by Neolithic farmers who left some standing stones in the area as a reminder of their presence.
And the present generations reminder is washed up rope, clothes (I haven't a clue how they are washing up or where they are coming from and seemingly the zip parts don't break down in seawater), plastic bottles, plastic rings, plastic gloves, sheet plastic, you name it if it floats it was washing up there. Disgraceful. A filthy selfish disgusting generation we are . :mad:

On my own little farm I had a fine bunch of nettles earmarked for putting into an ibc tank and making foliar spray with. It was beside a neighbour's dwelling beside a beech hedge on land I've taken and under the electric fence and in the field. Had a gander at said clump the other day when spreading fertilizer and the neighbours had sprayed roundup along the bottom of their hedge and just about completely took out the whole clump of nettles in the field as well.
Backwards people!!
And farmers get a bad rep for lost biodiversity?? :rolleyes:

My nettle quota on the farm now is very low now as a result.

You can come take my nettles if you want

Say my name

Mooooo wrote: »

You can come take my nettles if you want

You're too far away. :pac:

Them oul cork one's would set the cows wrong.

Waffletraktor

two wheels good wrote: »

A benefitial use of fungicides it can be argued. Using glyphosate as a dessicant can be avoided.

Ah so it’s grand to use Azole family of fungicides to dip fruit in which are known to be Endocrine disrupters. Meanwhile glyphosate which you reckon maybe one is bad? Seems legit.
It’s scary how little general public know of modern food production and in turn think they know.

Gawddawggonnit

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Ah so it’s grand to use Azole family of fungicides to dip fruit in which are known to be Endocrine disrupters. Meanwhile glyphosate which you reckon maybe one is bad? Seems legit.
It’s scary how little general public know of modern food production and in turn think they know.

+1000!

yosemitesam1

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Ah so it’s grand to use Azole family of fungicides to dip fruit in which are known to be Endocrine disrupters. Meanwhile glyphosate which you reckon maybe one is bad? Seems legit.
It’s scary how little general public know of modern food production and in turn think they know.

They're dipped in pyrethroids also?

_Brian

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Ah so it’s grand to use Azole family of fungicides to dip fruit in which are known to be Endocrine disrupters. Meanwhile glyphosate which you reckon maybe one is bad? Seems legit.
It’s scary how little general public know of modern food production and in turn think they know.

Absolutely, there’s an awful lot of click bait headlines going on and it is damaging to farming that we are blamed.

If punters want an end to roundup the forst step will be taking it off the shelves in garden centres, that’s where the majority of uncontrolled use happens.

Waffletraktor

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

They're dipped in pyrethroids also?

I'm kinda trigered now.

I'm gonna ask something... If someone can give a good reply i'll reply why from a farming perspective and some anecdotal evidence, i don't think so and it's something to look towards thethe unintended consequences running riot.

Was banning neonics a good thing for bee's? Cause apparently the new way glyphosate = Crocidolite is it's harmful for bee's.

yosemitesam1

Waffletraktor wrote: »

I'm kinda trigered now.

I'm gonna ask something... If someone can give a good reply i'll reply why from a farming perspective and some anecdotal evidence, i don't think so and it's something to look towards thethe unintended consequences running riot.

Was banning neonics a good thing for bee's? Cause apparently the new way glyphosate = Crocidolite is it's harmful for bee's.

From an irl,/UK POV on osr, they didn't make one bit of difference to bees but planter dust in the US did definitely cause some issues due to high exposure.
In Europe on sunflowers I don't know if they had an effect. Sunflower pollen quality is poor and it's flowering at a time when Europe is entering a summer dearth and nutritional stress naturally placed on bees in addition to varroa mite being at its peak population at that time of year. There is the possibility that neonics could have pushed bees over the edge in some years. In the US/Canada now feeding pollen supplements through a lot of the year is done by most but don't know what the story is in Europe weather or not they were actively supplementing.
Over the last 30 years bee viruses have also become a bigger problem and the management that would get by doesn't always anymore

Harry Palmr

Interestingly here in Waterford city the council seem to have decided to leave the Roundup in the shed - all the roundabouts are being allowed to bloom with daisies etc and the last time I was on it the verges on the ring road likewise - they are being cut but not sprayed. I'll have another look tomorrow to see if they are still only being polluted by nitrous oxides etc.

_Brian

Kells co Meath the link road round from the M3, the verges were all done with roundup all the way round. Literally kilometres long abkut 12inch stripe back in from roadside.