High profile vegan woman comes to her senses

Mebuntu

All you vegans, especially women, take note of this. Stop the nonsense now and save yourselves.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7072647/VIRPI-MIKKONEN-admits-vegan-diet-ruined-health-brought-early-menopause.html

eviltwin

Mebuntu wrote: »

All you vegans, especially women, take note of this. Stop the nonsense now and save yourselves.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7072647/VIRPI-MIKKONEN-admits-vegan-diet-ruined-health-brought-early-menopause.html

Did you read the article? The main problem seems to have been her diet was almost exclusively raw food, no variation and completely cutting off entire food groups. No wonder she had problems.

Most vegans and vegetarians don't limit themselves in this way and are fine.

Pherekydes

And tomorrow in the Mail, a burger eating man comes to his senses and changes to a raw food diet to save his life.

suicide_circus

beware of gurus

batgoat

eviltwin wrote: »

Did you read the article? The main problem seems to have been her diet was almost exclusively raw food, no variation and completely cutting off entire food groups. No wonder she had problems.

Most vegans and vegetarians don't limit themselves in this way and are fine.

Personally wouldn't go vegan, wouldn't mind vegetarian but it's perfectly possible to be healthy with a vegan diet as long as you plan well. In this instance it seems to be more a diet that somebody pulled out of their arse that is a bit dangerous. So a standard fad diet.

Harry Palmr

Even the hoodoo gurus?

Sonny noggs

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Even the hoodoo gurus?

Especially those feckers.

super_furry

Elvis sh1t himself to death from eating burgers.

Most people are able to find a balance.

Space Dog

Mebuntu wrote: »

All you vegans, especially women, take note of this. Stop the nonsense now and save yourselves.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7072647/VIRPI-MIKKONEN-admits-vegan-diet-ruined-health-brought-early-menopause.html

But what would Boards do without vegans? You'd have nothing to write about!

Space Dog

Space Dog wrote: »

But what would Boards do without vegans? You'd have nothing to write about!

Ah now, don't go nuts there, you can always fall back on cyclists and the Israelis. Oh, travellers and the unemployed too!

Mrsmum

Just wondering why there's always a presumption that vegans know a lot or even enough about nutrition. I have two nieces that are vegan, ages 16 and 19. According to themselves and their mam, they eat pasta and bread, don't even like most veg but won't eat meat.

Yurt2

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah now, don't go nuts there, you can always fall back on cyclists and the Israelis. Oh, travellers and the unemployed too!

Don't forget immigints, Margret Cash and 'the looney left'. Endless fuel for the furious political psychosis of the middle-aged right wing Irish man.

Fr_Dougal

Here’s another one from a couple of weeks ago who outright lied: https://nypost.com/2019/03/22/vegan-youtube-star-accidentally-exposes-herself-as-a-fraud/

But you have frauds in all walks of life.

corner of hells

super_furry wrote: »

Elvis sh1t himself to death from eating burgers.

Most people are able to find a balance.

So it wasn't drugs ?

KSU

Lierre Keith is one of the more reputable ones (though there is a campaign to discredit her book since she came out against Veganism/Vegetarianism)

is_that_so

super_furry wrote: »

Elvis sh1t himself to death from eating burgers.

Most people are able to find a balance.

Except Elvis wasn't selling books promoting his diet! She can choose to do as she wishes but there's a whole level of faddery and reckless dishonesty to what she has been "feeding" to others.

Ray Palmer

She didn't really come to her senses as she relied on Chinese medical practitioner to tell her to go off the diet. She is still ignoring scientific knowledge. Don't forget Chineese medicine was and is a deliberate hoax that says various forms of the same compound has medicinal value. Rhino horn is near identical to human nails.
Always wonder about the people in touch with nature ignore promoting Chinese medicine leads to poaching.

Grayson

batgoat wrote: »

Personally wouldn't go vegan, wouldn't mind vegetarian but it's perfectly possible to be healthy with a vegan diet as long as you plan well. In this instance it seems to be more a diet that somebody pulled out of their arse that is a bit dangerous. So a standard fad diet.

My main opposition to a vegan diet is that I like cheese too much.
Plus I know nothing about nutrition so I'd probably kill myself. When you go vegan you do need to take a bit extra attention of what you're eating to make sure you're getting everything you need. It's not hard but I'm useless at nutrition so I'd probably be really bad at it.

TuringBot47

I am surprised she went public about it, considering she wrote a few books.
You have to give her credit for that.

Unless she's coming out with a new cookbook...

Hedgelayer

Looks likely she'll be a low profile vegan now.

wakka12

Lots of women have early menopause. The fact that she was vegan didnt necessarily cause it

'London-based hormone specialist Dr Marion Gluck believes diet-induced low hormone levels could lie behind Virpi’s health issues.

‘There are lots of reasons for an unexpected early menopause — stress, trauma, lifestyle changes,’ she says.'

Im not completely convinced by vegan diets, I do agree that not eating red meat or any overcooked animal protein in general is beneficial to health but I dont see any reason why dairy products like natural or greek yogurt or milk or eggs should be omitted from anybodys diet, theyre healthy things to eat by any metric

And as for that ying and yang chinese medicinialist, what a load of crap, there is absolutely no reason to eat cooked foods other than for taste. Most raw foods are healthy, if I could stomach raw vegetables I would eat them that way. Cooked vegetables and other foods are absolutely still healthy but raw, completely unprocessed food is the optimal form

Anyway these kind of discussions are just a pointless . Maybe diets as strict as hers dont suit everyone but if more people took up a diet like hers there would hundreds of millions less cases of heart disease and strokes and cancer annually

branie2

Great that she saw the light

topper75

Yurt! wrote: »

Don't forget immigints, Margret Cash and 'the looney left'. Endless fuel for the furious political psychosis of the middle-aged right wing Irish man.

psychosis
/sʌɪˈkəʊsɪs/
noun
a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.

So - this business of me having to pay and foot their bills whilst they contribute little or nothing, that is not reality? Gee I may need some tablets. Some kind of red pill perhaps;)

mad muffin

Well if my two vegan sisters are anything to go by… being vegan is definitely a health hazard.

They are constantly complaining about ailments. They are massively overweight. Not only because they consume a large amount of bread and sugar but also because they over eat due to being depressed from being denied meat. Though they’ll never admit that.

Also they are always lethargic.

Ray Palmer

wakka12 wrote: »

Lots of women have early menopause. The fact that she was vegan didnt necessarily cause it

'London-based hormone specialist Dr Marion Gluck believes diet-induced low hormone levels could lie behind Virpi’s health issues.

‘There are lots of reasons for an unexpected early menopause — stress, trauma, lifestyle changes,’ she says.'

Im not completely convinced by vegan diets, I do agree that not eating red meat or any overcooked animal protein in general is beneficial to health but I dont see any reason why dairy products like natural or greek yogurt or milk or eggs should be omitted from anybodys diet, theyre healthy things to eat by any metric

And as for that ying and yang chinese medicinialist, what a load of crap, there is absolutely no reason to eat cooked foods other than for taste. Most raw foods are healthy, if I could stomach raw vegetables I would eat them that way. Cooked vegetables and other foods are absolutely still healthy but raw, completely unprocessed food is the optimal form

Anyway these kind of discussions are just a pointless . Maybe diets as strict as hers dont suit everyone but if more people took up a diet like hers there would hundreds of millions less cases of heart disease and strokes and cancer annually

Well that is just nonsense. The only reason to cook food is for taste and dairy is great????? Cooking food makes it easier to digest and that applies to vegetables as well as meat. It also eliminates contaminants like bacteria and parasites. Dairy products are generally in opposition to most people's bodies. It isn't some people are lactose intolerant it is some people have a higher tolerance. It is decidedly strange to drink milk and it's derivatives from another animal.

Humans aren't designed to live on an all raw vegetable diet or even close. Variation is the best thing in any diet

positron

Anything goes as news these days.

There are millions of people who live on vegan / vegetarian diets around the world. Imagine a country like India, some 30% of it's 1.3 billion people are vegetarians. They don't have any problem with fertility there anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country#India

wakka12

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Well that is just nonsense. The only reason to cook food is for taste and dairy is great????? Cooking food makes it easier to digest and that applies to vegetables as well as meat. It also eliminates contaminants like bacteria and parasites. Dairy products are generally in opposition to most people's bodies. It isn't some people are lactose intolerant it is some people have a higher tolerance. It is decidedly strange to drink milk and it's derivatives from another animal.

Humans aren't designed to live on an all raw vegetable diet or even close. Variation is the best thing in any diet

Its strange in your opinion, dairy has a strong nutritional profile for those who dont have adverse reactions to it. Anyway what I said is not nonsense,the formation of Advanced gylcation end products by heating of animal protein has large health implications and heating of certain vegetables such as leafy greens and cruciferous vegetables destroys some of their most important beneficial compounds such as Sulforaphane and water soluble vitamins. But yes there are some benefits too to cooking certain foods,and some foods like most meats and beans need to be cooked to be edible, though overall I think there are more cons to cooking most foods than pros. Its all about balancing your perceived pros and cons and getting what you think is important out of the food you eat, 'healthy eating' has a hugely subjective element and differs from person to person

TuringBot47

positron wrote: »

a country like India, some 30% of it's 1.3 billion people are vegetarians. They don't have any problem with fertility there anyway.

Women will always have fertility problems if they don't accept a bit of meat inside them.

KSU

positron wrote: »

Anything goes as news these days.

There are millions of people who live on vegan / vegetarian diets around the world. Imagine a country like India, some 30% of it's 1.3 billion people are vegetarians. They don't have any problem with fertility there anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country#India

The women also have a nearly 12 year lower life expectancy so less women getting to menopausal age. It should be noted as well that malnurtition is one of the biggest issues currently in India not exactly a glowing reference for something which is driven by abject poverty for many moreso than lifestyle choices.

positron

Vegetarianism isn't the cause of poverty or malnutrition, or vice versa in India. Poverty causes malnutrition, not lifestyle choices.

My point, which I thought is very clear, is that as long as you are not starving, vegetarian diet does not make you infertile. Otherwise India would not have grown to 1.3 billion strong or survived thousands of years as a civilization.

sbsquarepants

is_that_so wrote: »

Except Elvis wasn't selling books promoting his diet! .

Would have been a tough sell, even for Elvis:D

Ray Palmer

positron wrote: »

Vegetarianism isn't the cause of poverty or malnutrition, or vice versa in India. Poverty causes malnutrition, not lifestyle choices.

My point, which I thought is very clear, is that as long as you are not starving, vegetarian diet does not make you infertile. Otherwise India would not have grown to 1.3 billion strong or survived thousands of years as a civilization.

Interesting theory except we saw people were still being born in famines time and time again. It just isn't that hard and fastened rule. Not everyone is affected in the same way by the same conditions.

Just because they are still having children doesn't mean the diet is not a factor. Maybe the birth rate would be double if not on a vegetarian diet.

There is also a massive lifestyle difference and demands on the body. If you spend your days making flower arrangements for a shrine around the corner from your house maybe you don't need much protein. People do live like that in India. Ever notice the birth defect rate in India is really high too.

DareGod

Mebuntu wrote: »

All you vegans, especially women, take note of this. Stop the nonsense now and save yourselves.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7072647/VIRPI-MIKKONEN-admits-vegan-diet-ruined-health-brought-early-menopause.html

It's so thoughtful of you to be so concerned about what vegans are eating. Someone send this poster a bunch of flowers and a box of chocolates to say thanks!