Washing a child's mouth out with soap.

simongurnick

Any opinions on this practice? Acceptable or not? Justified or abuse? Interested to hear some views on this....thanks

SEPT 23 1989

Only if it's followed up by a thick ear

Sardonicat

Abuse!

Insect Overlord

[ enter Jumanji "What year is it?" meme here ]

freshpopcorn

It might be acceptable today if you use green eco vegan friendly soap!

The high horse brigade

That's lifebuoy!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

SCOOP 64

Haven't heard that saying in years.

simongurnick

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Haven't heard that saying in years.

Not just a saying. Happened to my son this weekend...planning my response

liam7831

Most people use toothpaste these days

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

simongurnick wrote: »

Any opinions on this practice? Acceptable or not? Justified or abuse? Interested to hear some views on this....thanks

Swear jar would work better.

Hoboo

simongurnick wrote: »

Not just a saying. Happened to my son this weekend...planning my response

Happened? So someone actually washed your son's mouth with soap?

simongurnick

simongurnick wrote: »

Not just a saying. Happened to my son this weekend...planning my response

I'd be up for murder if someone did that to my child.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd be up for murder if someone did that to my child.

"Would be" or "will be" once you plan the responce?

Hal3000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd be up for murder if someone did that to my child.

You'd be out quickly too on a suspended sentence.

simongurnick

Hoboo wrote: »

Happened? So someone actually washed your son's mouth with soap?

Yes. Weekend away with an organisation
Trying to compose right now before letting rip

Del2005

simongurnick wrote: »

Yes. Weekend away with an organisation
Trying to compose right now before letting rip

And apart from your little darling how many witnesses do you have? It's not unknown for children, or parents, to lie.

incaseiforget

Abuse!
If my child was assaulted in this manner there would indeed be hell to pay

simongurnick

Del2005 wrote: »

And apart from your little darling how many witnesses do you have? It's not unknown for children, or parents, to lie.

Fair point. But it was the adult that did it told my wife. Thought she was great until my wife said that's a form of child abuse and you'll be hearing more shortly.

fineso.mom

what organisation? what led up to it ? Just wondering what would lead a person to think that they could do that to a child.

branie2

Not acceptable at all!

recedite

simongurnick wrote: »

Fair point. But it was the adult that did it told my wife. Thought she was great until my wife said that's a form of child abuse and you'll be hearing more shortly.

Sue them. You'll be on the pig's back in jig time.

simongurnick

fineso.mom wrote: »

what organisation? what led up to it ? Just wondering what would lead a person to think that they could do that to a child.

Scouts (not in ireland) couple of lads were messing and cursing in the tent. They are nine. Made them eat dish soap. I dont condone them acting the maggot but there are other ways to address. Anyway, found the direct line they have for any safety concerns and they are investigating. The more i think about it the more my blood is boiling

s7ryf3925pivug

simongurnick wrote: »

Scouts (not in ireland) couple of lads were messing and cursing in the tent. They are nine. Made them eat dish soap. I dont condone them acting the maggot but there are other ways to address. Anyway, found the direct line they have for any safety concerns and they are investigating. The more i think about it the more my blood is boiling

Internal investigations are usually about protecting the organisation, not punishing wrongdoing. This has got to be a criminal act and therefore I would talk to the police.

Mrs OBumble

You'd be better off addressing the problem of your kid's foul mouth. To get that sort of reaction they must have been pretty bad, not just messing.

simongurnick

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You'd be better off addressing the problem of your kid's foul mouth. To get that sort of reaction they must have been pretty bad, not just messing.

Thanks for the parenting advice

Rubberchikken

im no ' liberal bleeding heart kids are angels etc' type of person but this would be completely unacceptable to me.
cursing - really. how the hell much cursing could anyone do to actually justify an act like that. * sigh*

s7ryf3925pivug

I'd also get medical advice if it was washing up liquid, as I understand it to have been.

donkeykong5

recedite wrote: »

simongurnick wrote: »

Fair point. But it was the adult that did it told my wife. Thought she was great until my wife said that's a form of child abuse and you'll be hearing more shortly.

Sue them. You'll be on the pig's back in jig time.

Especially if they were sitting in a swing at the time.

JupiterKid

Completely unacceptable today but not 25 or 35 years ago.

My mum washed my mouth out with soap for uttering the F word when I was about 7. That was 36 years ago. Different times...

I never uttered the F word again in her presence though!

riffmongous

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You'd be better off addressing the problem of your kid's foul mouth. To get that sort of reaction they must have been pretty bad, not just messing.

We'd be better off if you kept your shìt advice to yourself

ILoveYourVibes

Metaphorically yes.

Get them to recite poetry for five mins every time they swear ....that is much better than soap

I recommend Kubla Khan.

Or five mins singing a song with uplifting lyrics of their choice.

Plus a nice dance to get rid of that nasty swearing 'energy' its quite toxic.

Doing it physically is pointless.

donkeykong5

riffmongous wrote: »

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You'd be better off addressing the problem of your kid's foul mouth. To get that sort of reaction they must have been pretty bad, not just messing.

We'd be better off if you kept your shìt advice to yourself

Poster was only giving their advice and opinion. Calm down!

Zaph

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Poster was only giving their advice and opinion. Calm down!

Unfortunately her advice is always like that, snide and contrary, irrespective of what the actual subject matter is.

FishOnABike

I would consider it child abuse. The person responsible should not be allowed in any position where they have children in their care.

If this is how they feel they can treat other people's children I would be concerned how they treat their own children if they have any.

You said it wasn't in Ireland, in Ireland it could be considered a form of criminal assault (non fatal offences against the person act), no idea what the legal situation would be wherever you are.

Depending on the law where you are I would give serious consideration to making a complaint to your equivalent of TUSLA (social services / child protection) and the police.

If other parents do the same it may be paid more attention to.

I would be concerned also that no other adult there intervened to stop this adult forcing children to eat soap. It points to a very lax organisational attitude to child protection.

Suckit

Was it all the kids or just yours?

Rubberchikken

Rubberchikken wrote: »

im no ' liberal bleeding heart kids are angels etc' type of person but this would be completely unacceptable to me.
cursing - really. how the hell much cursing could anyone do to actually justify an act like that. * sigh*

I was on a train recently where a child (maybe eight or nine years of age) suddenly yelled "****!", or "**** it!". I was sure I had misheard, because his Mum kept speaking to him as normal. A few minutes later he told her that someone was a "****in muppet", and he wasn't going to sit beside him on a school trip. His Mum barely registered it.

An interesting approach to parenting, I thought. The word itself doesn't bother me in the slightest, I'm sure I said it myself as a kid. But not to an adult, let alone my parents, unless I was after a hiding.

It's more the lack of boundaries that I think is the problem. Children are too small to rationalise why certain actions are bad, and sometimes a clip on the ear (or soap in the mouth -- always thought that was a yank thing) are how you help them rationalise it until they can a rational awareness of social norms.

And I'm not one of those people who say "I was beaten black and blue and it did me no harm". I remember being spanked only once. The very threat of it, or the possibility of it, supplied enough cop-on to usually keep me between the ditches.

kowloon

simongurnick wrote: »

Not just a saying. Happened to my son this weekend...planning my response

I grew up knowing the saying, never though it was literal. That's messed up.

simongurnick

Suckit wrote: »

Was it all the kids or just yours?

3 kids

Victor

If only it was done with adults a bit more often.

Rubberchikken

id have never cursed in front of my parents. just wasnt done.
my son remembers the first time he used the word @unt in front of me. he was 9. had heard it in school that day. hadnt a clue what it meant if anything but out it came.
i hit no-one but my disappointment and the removal of video games for a week softened his cough:)
he says he still thinks twice when the urge to use the word occurs especially in my company:)

Foweva Awone

We were often threatened with that, can't remember my parents ever following through on it though. I wouldn't do it with my own son.

I remember myself and a couple of my siblings used to suck our thumbs, my parents got this nasty-tasting stuff to put on our hands to break us of the habit. I'm kind of glad they did though - they didn't do it with one of my younger sisters, she's a grown adult now and still sucks her thumb (not in public though!), one of her hands is pretty much deformed now as a result.

Peatys

riffmongous wrote: »

We'd be better off if you kept your shìt advice to yourself

In general

Noo

Kira Sour Tights wrote: »

I'd also get medical advice if it was washing up liquid, as I understand it to have been.

When I was a kid I was curious as to what my tube of bubbles tasted like so I took a little sip. Vomited it all out in my neighbours garden. Didnt tell my parents that I had been sick because even though I was stupid enough to drink the bubbles, I wasn't stupid enough to admit it to anyone.

Anyway moral of the story is washing up liquid will make you very sick.

Midnight Sundance

I'd have to be pulled off your one for doing that to my son! Your wife has better composure than I probably would have. I dont blame you for being fuming!!

893bet

Look it’s not right but do try and think logically, not emotionally, and deal with it.

No lasting physical harm is done, and maybe your son has learned a lesson.

irelandspurs

I always had the song sang to me' forever blowing bubbles' by my siblings because I was always swearing and had this treatment.

Foweva Awone

I just don't think it's at all acceptable to punish a child (and especially someone else's child!) using physical force. And yes, I'd consider this to be physical force - it's compromising the child's bodily integrity. It's as bad (if not worse) than hitting the child, it's a violation of their personal space and safety.

I'm not sure what I'd do in this situation, honestly I'd find it hard not to go for an eye-for-an-eye approach and respond in kind by forcing washing-up liquid into the perpetrator's mouth, see how they like it! Ah no, in reality I'd like to think I'd have more self-control. But my son has been raised to feel safe and secure in himself, no adult has ever laid a hand on him in a violent way. Which is how it should be. For someone to compromise his innocence and peace of mind like that ... I'd be devastated and absolutely raging. No one has the right to do that to a child. It's appalling that this happened. I wouldn't let it go lightly.

lawred2

simongurnick wrote: »

Not just a saying. Happened to my son this weekend...planning my response

What?

Zorya

lawred2 wrote: »

What?

I know! It's fairly hard to believe. What a crazy thing. I cannot even imagine how a person would go about doing such a thing - the logistics of it. Tell them to open mouth and insert soap? And for how long? Move it around? Let it just lie on tongue? Force open mouth by inserting soap? Insert lather rather than soap with a sponge or cloth? Make up soapy mix in water and make them swish?

FFS it's ridiculous. That person should not be near children. Honestly, the weirdos who end up near children in some of these types of outing situations.

And as for children cursing, while it is not nice for them to curse and should be discouraged firmly, they will naturally curse now and then, especially in a gang messing around. Not everything needs a reaction.

I don't even know what I would do if this was true. The whole legal route would be such a hassle and stress. Just don't know.

Der Stier

Hal3000 wrote: »

You'd be out quickly too on a suspended sentence.

Depends, if they are a tax paying hard worker, likely they will be f*cked for life.

If they are some dole scrounger bottom feeder, then yeah, out in 6 months..