Anonymous drug dealing tipoff

maxsmum

What do people think of this. One of my husband's friends is an absolute waster, college educated with work available but he won't work. Is a low level (to friends etc) cannabis dealer and does nixers DIY etc on top of his dole. Has just been given council housing in a very affluent area while the rest of us work out behinds off to pay rent or mortgage.
I also have a serious issue with people thinking recreational cannabis is harmless as I know from my own line of work it is far from harmless. Now most people might say let the Dole office sort out his dole claim and his cannabis use/dealing doesn't affect me but I really feel compelled every time I meet him and listen to his boasting to anonymously tip off re the cannabis. Not sure if gardai would even be interested.
Am I being an a$$hole? Should I just mind my own business?

Muppet Man

MYOB

Did you vote yesterday?

Contact one of your councillors. It falls in their remit in their clinics

wally1990

Think of this way in a simplistic way

You know all that tax and prsi you pay and prob hate looking at or paying

It's going to him so imagine handing him a small bit of money each week

Would you ?

I'd report him

drunkmonkey

I've a serious issue with people with a serious issue with recreational cannabis.
Anyone who uses cannabis in the country is a low level cannabis dealer that's how the system works, freinds get it for friends.

stefanovich

Working and not paying tax I take issue with. Smoking a joint? What of it?

km991148

Speak to him, get to know him a bit? See if he is ok - underlying issues perhaps?
Or he could just be a lazy (unt - either way - I wouldn't waste time reporting him or worse being jealous of what you imagine his glorious lifestyle to be.

drunkmonkey

That's it the lifestyle described is not one to be jealous of. He's not buying a yacht selling 50 bags.

nuac

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Any legal discussion points in this?

km991148

nuac wrote: »

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Any legal discussion points in this?

fair point - I didn't check - thought we were in AH!

maxsmum

nuac wrote: »

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Any legal discussion points in this?

Sorry mods
Searched for a crime thread and this popped up. Please move if more appropriate elsewhere. Thanks

maxsmum

stefanovich wrote: »

Working and not paying tax I take issue with. Smoking a joint? What of it?

No he's selling a few hundred quids worth a week of it to friends.

maxsmum

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did you vote yesterday?

Contact one of your councillors. It falls in their remit in their clinics

I certainly did but I would have thought it's a Garda matter (cannabis dealing).
On paper he's probably entitled to dole and house. Or at least on whatever fairy stories he's feeding them.

stefanovich

maxsmum wrote: »

No he's selling a few hundred quids worth a week of it to friends.

I have nothing against people using marijuana. I think the drug laws are wrong. I think he should be allowed by the state to be a small business owner and pay tax.

Wasting police resources on what it obviously a personal vendetta is pointless.

noubliezjamais

stefanovich wrote: »

I have nothing against people using marijuana. I think the drug laws are wrong. I think he should be allowed by the state to be a small business owner and pay tax.

Wasting police resources on what it obviously a personal vendetta is pointless.

Ironic though how anedcotally, police waste their resources on bringing people to court with a few tablets of ecstasy, a joint of cannabis, etc... for personal use while ignoring actual crimes like A&E.

I've heard so many stories of friends being punched/purse snatched or ever burgled and police are hesitant to do anything about it.

OP, you can go ahead and report but won't do much. There was someone in my school dealing cannabis. Principal asked me when he smelled it who it was from and so far the guy's not in prison and still in school..lol. I don't think you're friend is "big enough" to get caught.

blade1

Muppet Man wrote: »

MYOB

Mind your own blow?

Sonny noggs

Report away.

gordongekko

https://www.garda.ie/en/Crime/Drugs/How-do-I-report-illegal-drug-use-.html

Mrs OBumble

maxsmum wrote: »

I also have a serious issue with people thinking recreational cannabis is harmless as I know from my own line of work it is far from harmless. ....

Totally agree. For some it's harmless, but for a substanital minority, it's extremely damaging.

I'd support regulating it, and only allowing sale to people over 25. But if this happened, the person this thread is about would likely not register a business: instead he'd find something else illegal (possibly even more harmful) to deal.

A tip-off re the dealing is unlikly to get many results. A tip off to welfare re the nixers may have more of an impact on him.

Keep your beak out of it and mind your own business.

You don't like this guy because you think he's a waster, that's obvious - but don't try and justify your intended action against him as being the result of his involvement with cannabis and your feelings surrounding it.
As you've said he's a low level dealer, there are literally thousands of people at this level in Ireland, reporting it will make absolutely no difference in that regard, his customers will easily switch to another vendor.

You'd just be doing it out of simple spite, admit that to yourself first.

drunkmonkey

Over 25??

Don't put any limit on it, most of the people prescribed it are under 18. If there are problems in school or college refer them for medical help.

Samuel T. Cogley

While I'm all for leagalisation coupled with a public smoking ban, in it's current form anyone who thinks even a bit of low level dealing is harmless is a bloody idiot. As some point there is generally a serious criminal element.

As for reporting it, bugger all point tbh. Report him to the dole office.

circadian

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Totally agree. For some it's harmless, but for a substanital minority, it's extremely damaging.

I'd support regulating it, and only allowing sale to people over 25. But if this happened, the person this thread is about would likely not register a business: instead he'd find something else illegal (possibly even more harmful) to deal.

That is an outstanding leap.

OP, I'd say this would be a mind your own business scenario. Things might look grand for him but it probably isn't. We all have our own crosses to bear, it's just more obvious with some than others. This guy sounds like he could very easily be depressed or suffer from anxiety which could explain the mixers and lack of motivation.

I'm not diagnosing, just putting it out there that things are rarely as they seem from the outside. Give the guy a break, we're all trying to make ends meet at the end of the day.

Farawayhome

Didn't a study come out recently which showed that cannabis can be very damaging, not the harmless drug some make out? That's worse than the nixers in my opinion.

Fiddlesticks99

Waster....not illegal

Lazy dole recipient.....not illegal

Drug dealer....Prove it

You "Know" recreational cannabis use is dangerous??....Alcohol and smoking is worse

None of this is your business OP, in any case you probably voted for the government parties that maintain this system.

Your fault really.

stefanovich

circadian wrote: »

That is an outstanding leap.

OP, I'd say this would be a mind your own business scenario. Things might look grand for him but it probably isn't. We all have our own crosses to bear, it's just more obvious with some than others. This guy sounds like he could very easily be depressed or suffer from anxiety which could explain the mixers and lack of motivation.

I'm not diagnosing, just putting it out there that things are rarely as they seem from the outside. Give the guy a break, we're all trying to make ends meet at the end of the day.

He is probably doing low level dealing so he can smoke without having to pay for it with his dole money. Hardly Al Capone.

The crime is sale or supply, so as the law stands it doesn't matter if he sells it or gives the stuff away. It's still a crime.
Social welfare fraud is also a crime.
People in this country complain about crime all the time, yet very few are willing to do something about it themselves.
Where do 'small dealers' get their drugs to sell? That's right, bigger dealers. We all know who the big dealers in this country are & the crime that happens because of their businesses.
Report him if you feel like it OP, nothing wrong with doing so.

Farawayhome

Farawayhome wrote: »

Didn't a study come out recently which showed that cannabis can be very damaging, not the harmless drug some make out? That's worse than the nixers in my opinion.

No?

I think you might be referring to a published letter penned by group of dublin medical professionals, their assertions are made based off their own anecdotal observations from their daily work, not rigourous clinical studies i.e. more idealogical than scientific.

Farawayhome

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

No?

I think you might be referring to a published letter penned by group of dublin medical professionals, their assertions are made based off their own anecdotal observations from their daily work, not rigourous clinical studies i.e. more idealogical than scientific.

Hmmmm I think I'll trust the word of medical professionals over cannabis smokers. Thanks very much.

stefanovich

Farawayhome wrote: »

Hmmmm I think I'll trust the word of medical professionals over cannabis smokers. Thanks very much.

Medical professionals? Drug company salesmen more like.

drunkmonkey

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

While I'm all for leagalisation coupled with a public smoking ban, in it's current form anyone who thinks even a bit of low level dealing is harmless is a bloody idiot. As some point there is generally a serious criminal element.

Why put T's & C's around it, smells like a herb it won't kill you to walk by some, if you walk through any shopping center these days the bang of it is everywhere from CBD.
A big difference between the guy with the pot and actually drug dealers, your not dealing with career criminals or people trying to make a living out of it.
We have a serious coke problem in this country there they guys in it for money not the hipppy.

Farawayhome

stefanovich wrote: »

Medical professionals? Drug company salesmen more like.

Any proof of that?

gordongekko

If it was Margaret Cash that was doing this the tone of the posts would be much different. OP is the person is doing nixers report them to the DSP

Farawayhome

Farawayhome wrote: »

Hmmmm I think I'll trust the word of medical professionals over cannabis smokers. Thanks very much.

I'm not a medical professional but I am a pharmacologist, so I might know just a little bit about what we're discussing here.

You say that as if medical professionals as a whole are of one mind on this issue.

They are not.
This is one self appointed group of people writing a letter on an issue of concern to them - it is not representative of the preveiling stance within the sector.
Medical doctors in Ireland receive no training whatsoever with regards to cannabis. They don't even study the brain's endocannabinoid system which is essential for a substantive understanding of the mechanisms at the molecular level i.e. doctors don't necessarily always know exactly what they're talking about - they are people and can be mistaken or caught up in idealogy just like everybody else.

Twenty Grand

Report him to DSP.

If you saw someone being robbed on the street you wouldn't hesistate to call the guards.

I don't know why people have such a hangup over reporting crimes.

Farawayhome

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

I'm not a medical professional but I am a pharmacologist, so I might know just a little bit about what we're discussing here.

You say that as if medical professionals as a whole are of one mind on this issue.

They are not.
This is one self appointed group of people writing a letter on an issue of concern to them - it is not representative of the preveiling stance within the sector.
Medical doctors in Ireland receive no training whatsoever with regards to cannabis. They don't even study the brain's endocannabinoid system which is essential for a substantive understanding of the mechanisms at the molecular level i.e. doctors don't necessarily always know exactly what they're talking about - they are people and can be mistaken or caught up in idealogy just like everybody else.

Like pharmacologists. No offence to you but you could be anyone. The doctors put their name to the letter. I think when it comes to something as important as damaging people's health, we definitely should air on the side of caution.
Those researching the medical benefits of cannabis should be encouraged, those wanting it to be legalised so they can get stoned whenever and whereever they want, should be told to **** off.

drunkmonkey

Farawayhome wrote: »

those wanting it to be legalised so they can get stoned whenever and whereever they want, should be told to **** off.

What's your solution, keep funding the kenihans. Force another generation into the criminal justice system over a plant that makes most people content.
LSD, Cannabis and Ecstasy will be legal here yet. All have benefits that outway the cons.

Farawayhome

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What's your solution, keep funding the kenihans. Force another generation into the criminal justice system over a plant that makes most people content.
LSD, Cannabis and Ecstasy will be legal here yet. All have benefits that outway the cons.

Here's what the doctors have to say:

“There is growing scientific data that indicates that cannabis use in young people is related to impairments to memory and thinking, which can endure long after cannabis use has ceased.

“Cannabis is now the most common drug involved in new treatment episodes at addiction services nationally.

“Cannabis is also the most common substance involved in drug-related admissions to our psychiatric hospitals."

It's time to stop spreading the bull****. Cannabis is not the safe drug that you and others try to paint. It's dangerous.

Farawayhome

Farawayhome wrote: »

Like pharmacologists. No offence to you but you could be anyone. The doctors put their name to the letter. I think when it comes to something as important as damaging people's health, we definitely should air on the side of caution.
Those researching the medical benefits of cannabis should be encouraged, those wanting it to be legalised so they can get stoned whenever and whereever they want, should be told to **** off.

Fair enough, however I only want to stress the fact that their status as doctors does not render them experts in this field. They receive no additional training whatsoever in relation to cannabis, - if you want to know about a drug and its effects ask a pharmacologist, they are the experts when it comes to drugs, not doctors, and a doctor will often be the first to tell you that.

It's also worth pointing out that there is much lobbying against cannabis coming from pharmaceutical companies fearing it may supplant their ranges of opioid pain medications etc. Doctors can and have been bought before to speak out (or keep quiet) about the risks relating to any commercial endeavour.
A fantastic example of this was Clair Patterson, a scientist who discovered the massive levels of lead pollution in the atmosphere due to the use of leaded petrol and had to fight doggedly against petrol company backed doctors who continued to assert these environmental levels of lead were safe.
If you haven't seen it I urge you to watch the episode of Cosmos dealing with it

drunkmonkey

Water can kill if you drink enough if it, are you suggesting we ban that as it's dangerous.
Abuse of anything isn't good for you. Should we take down all the swings in the county as there dangerous to women over 40?
Where do you draw the line with adults, I don't think there should be one as long as your not directly harming anyone.

Cannabis is a human rights issue, it does not belong in the district court. When you have guards on their hands and knees picking up cannabis remains with sellotape to screw up a students life there's something rotten going on.

Farawayhome

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

Fair enough, however I only want to stress the fact that their status as doctors does not render them experts in this field. They receive no additional training whatsoever in relation to cannabis, - if you want to know about a drug and its effects ask a pharmacologist, they are the experts when it comes to drugs, not doctors, and a doctor will often be the first to tell you that.

It's also worth pointing out that there is much lobbying against cannabis coming from pharmaceutical companies fearing it may supplant their ranges of opioid pain medications etc. Doctors can and have been bought before to speak out (or keep quiet) about the risks relating to any commercial endeavour.
A fantastic example of this was Clair Patterson, a scientist who discovered the massive levels of lead pollution in the atmosphere due to the use of leaded petrol and had to fight doggedly against petrol company backed doctors who continued to assert these environmental levels of lead were safe.
If you haven't seen it I urge you to watch the episode of Cosmos dealing with it

Do doctors not have to deal with the consequences of cannabis use. I've quoted what they have been saying in the above post.

Farawayhome

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Water can kill if you drink enough if it, are you suggesting we ban that as it's dangerous.
Abuse of anything isn't good for you. Should we take down all the swings in the county as there dangerous to women over 40?
Where do you draw the line with adults, I don't think there should be one as long as your not directly harming anyone.

Cannabis is a human rights issue, it does not belong in the district court. When you have guards on their hands and knees picking up cannabis remains with sellotape to screw up a students life there's something rotten going on.

Whataboutery won't work. Read what the doctors are saying. People's health shouldn't be put at risk because you want to get stoned whenever you want.

Farawayhome

Farawayhome wrote: »

Here's what the doctors have to say:

“There is growing scientific data that indicates that cannabis use in young people is related to impairments to memory and thinking, which can endure long after cannabis use has ceased.

“Cannabis is now the most common drug involved in new treatment episodes at addiction services nationally.

“Cannabis is also the most common substance involved in drug-related admissions to our psychiatric hospitals."

It's time to stop spreading the bull****. Cannabis is not the safe drug that you and others try to paint. It's dangerous.

Who's advocating for its legality in young people? I think everybody agrees it needs to be very tightly regulated in this regard.


Needs further data to be able to draw significant conclusions. How many of these people were using their cannabis in combination with highly addictive tobacco?


Cannabis is also the most commonly used recreational drug in Ireland by a long way. What would those figures look like were alcohol related admissions to psychiatric hospitals included?


I agree with you that too many people disregard it as being risk free, but on the other hand too many people also hugely overblow its risk - these also are generally people completely unfamiliar with the drug and how its used. It's not a miracle drug, but its also not the devil's lettuce, relative to alcohol (the use of which is extremely normalised and acceptable) it's probably not as bad in terms of harm to society. People are and will continue using it regardless of its legal status.
Take it out of the hands of criminals, tax it and regulate its supply.

drunkmonkey

Farawayhome wrote: »

Whataboutery won't work. Read what the doctors are saying. People's health shouldn't be put at risk because you want to get stoned whenever you want.

I've smoked cannabis with doctors, they all hold different opinions on the subject. Nobody is going to live forever and if you think cannabis kills just look at Willie Nelson.
I can't believe your afraid of a plant. 1st cousin of hops, are you afraid of that one as well.

Farawayhome

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

Who's advocating for its legality in young people? I think everybody agrees it needs to be very tightly regulated in this regard.


Needs further data to be able to draw significant conclusions. How many of these people were using their cannabis in combination with highly addictive tobacco?


Cannabis is also the most commonly used recreational drug in Ireland by a long way. What would those figures look like were alcohol related admissions to psychiatric hospitals included?


I agree with you that too many people disregard it as being risk free, but on the other hand too many people also hugely overblow its risk - these also are generally people completely unfamiliar with the drug and how its used. It's not a miracle drug, but its also not the devil's lettuce, relative to alcohol (the use of which is extremely normalised and acceptable) it's probably not as bad in terms of harm to society. People are and will continue using it regardless of its legal status.
Take it out of the hands of criminals, tax it and regulate its supply.

As you point out, we already have alcohol, look at how much damage that is causing and has caused. Why add to it? And alcohol is banned for under 18's yet so many use it.

Farawayhome

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've smoked cannabis with doctors, they all hold different opinions on the subject. Nobody is going to live forever and if you think cannabis kills just look at Willie Nelson.
I can't believe your afraid of a plant. 1st cousin of hops, are you afraid of that one as well.

Read what the doctors say again:

“There is growing scientific data that indicates that cannabis use in young people is related to impairments to memory and thinking, which can endure long after cannabis use has ceased.

“Cannabis is now the most common drug involved in new treatment episodes at addiction services nationally.

“Cannabis is also the most common substance involved in drug-related admissions to our psychiatric hospitals."

It's time for you to stop being so selfish.

stefanovich

Farawayhome wrote: »

Like pharmacologists. No offence to you but you could be anyone. The doctors put their name to the letter. I think when it comes to something as important as damaging people's health, we definitely should air on the side of caution.
Those researching the medical benefits of cannabis should be encouraged, those wanting it to be legalised so they can get stoned whenever and whereever they want, should be told to **** off.

Doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death. The majority of GPs I have interacted with are no more than rote learned fools with no ambition.

Farawayhome

stefanovich wrote: »

Doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death. The majority of GPs I have interacted with are no more than rote learned fools with no ambition.

Right, basically there's no argument for this apart from 'I want to get stoned'.

drunkmonkey

Farawayhome wrote: »

Read what the doctors say again:

“There is growing scientific data that indicates that cannabis use in young people is related to impairments to memory and thinking, which can endure long after cannabis use has ceased.

“Cannabis is now the most common drug involved in new treatment episodes at addiction services nationally.

“Cannabis is also the most common substance involved in drug-related admissions to our psychiatric hospitals."

It's time for you to stop being so selfish.

It's the most common drug after tobacco and alcohol. Of course the stats are going to show it as the top illegal drug, watch their words they left out alcohol as it's legal.
There's underlying medial issues in most of those cases and if we had the data and the data asked all the questions you'd find that cannabis is not actually to blame for their predicament.
If it was legal again anyone might be more tempted to get help earlier, right now they run the risk of a brush with the law as well as the negative prescription by some of society.

drunkmonkey

Farawayhome wrote: »

Right, basically there's no argument for this apart from 'I want to get stoned'.

Why would you begrudge a tax paying adult.

Farawayhome

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's the most common drug after tobacco and alcohol. Of course the stats are going to show it as the top illegal drug, watch their words they left out alcohol as it's legal.
There's underlying medial issues in most of those cases and if we had the data and the data asked all the questions you'd find that cannabis is not actually to blame for their predicament.
If it was legal again anyone might be more tempted to get help earlier, right now they run the risk of a brush with the law as well as the negative prescription by some of society.

Read what they said again:

“There is growing scientific data that indicates that cannabis use in young people is related to impairments to memory and thinking, which can endure long after cannabis use has ceased.

“Cannabis is now the most common drug involved in new treatment episodes at addiction services nationally.

“Cannabis is also the most common substance involved in drug-related admissions to our psychiatric hospitals."

It doesn't seem to be sinking in.