Gandon Park Lucan

Jesky25

Hi Guys

I booked the house in Gandon Park phase-1. When i see the Adamstown Masterplan then i realised this area is going to be very crowded over the 5 years.

What are you suggestion? Do you think its a good deal?

If you have also booked then please let me know the unit you booked. May be we are the neighbours

myshirt

I'm saying nothing for fear of one of the mods dishing out a paddling. Take a look at the Shackleton thread for info on the area, may help.

IAmTheReign

I actually grew up in Lucan and I'll say this for the place. I lived 5 minutes from Lucan village and the village itself is really nice. I always liked the fact that there was still a small town feel to the place and yet it was only a 20 minute spin into the city for a night out. Not a chance I would buy up in one of the new estates in Adamstown though. It's just too far away from everything. It's a 40 minute walk if you want to go to the pub or for dinner in the village. Have you thought about your commute? It's a walk to the bus at Supervalu and even worse to the train. I haven't lived in the area for a while but the buses used to be packed and if you're driving the area was gridlocked from early in the morning. I doubt it's improved the last few years.

And by the way I'm old enough to remember the original Adamstown masterplan. Most of the houses got built back then, almost none of the infrastructure did. Be very wary of promises of schools and the like coming anytime soon.

Jesky25

@IAmTheReign - Thanks for your reply, i agree with you Gandon Park location is good in terms of near to New Castle road and close to N4. I have seem Luas extension plan is also there for Adamstown.

In terms of commute i am thinking of using train to city centre via adamstown and probably drop my car at the station.
I have heard St Thomas and Scoil Mhuire National School are very good schools.

IAmTheReign

Jesky25 wrote: »

@IAmTheReign - Thanks for your reply, i agree with you Gandon Park location is good in terms of near to New Castle road and close to N4. I have seem Luas extension plan is also there for Adamstown.

In terms of commute i am thinking of using train to city centre via adamstown and probably drop my car at the station.
I have heard St Thomas and Scoil Mhuire National School are very good schools.

I had friends who went to both St Thomas and Scoil Mhuire and they seemed decent schools but they would have finished 20 years ago so I can't comment on what they're like now.

I'd be more concerned about places in those schools though. There's a lot of extra houses going in and those schools were full when I was a kid. I think they built a primary school in Adamstown a few years ago but is it at capacity?

ozbackineire

I have lived in Lucan my whole life and let me tell you, you wont be going anywhere quick in a car. It took me 30 minutes to get from Adamstown onto the N4 this morning at 7:30am on the bus, the traffic on the Newcastle road is chronic and is only getting worse. The new houses in Somerton are currently being finished so all of that traffic will be using the road along with another development across from Finnstown House. No additional roads are being built, it is dire.

St Thomas and St Annes are nice schools but again its a problem of places with all the new houses and no new schools. There is both a primary and secondary school up in Adamstown but i don't know their capacity either.

shanec1928

ozbackineire wrote: »

I have lived in Lucan my whole life and let me tell you, you wont be going anywhere quick in a car. It took me 30 minutes to get from Adamstown onto the N4 this morning at 7:30am on the bus, the traffic on the Newcastle road is chronic and is only getting worse. The new houses in Somerton are currently being finished so all of that traffic will be using the road along with another development across from Finnstown House. No additional roads are being built, it is dire.

St Thomas and St Annes are nice schools but again its a problem of places with all the new houses and no new schools. There is both a primary and secondary school up in Adamstown but i don't know their capacity either.

THis!!!


Its been amazing to see how bad the traffic has gotten in the last few years. also dont forget that there will be additional traffic from Clonburis using the r120. Theirs no options on most of the roads to add any bus lanes.

Jesky25

That makes me worry :-(

Snake Plisken

Yes poor planning again no infrastructure traffic is even backed up at weekends now thanks to Adamstown it's a joke, as others have said it's not going to get any better just worse
re schools there are primary and secondary schools in Adamstown.

Col_30

The Newcastle Road traffic was chronic when I lived in the area 2 years ago. This was before the current wave of development, so it can only get worse.

I would strongly advise to try out your commute a few times before committing. This is something I did not do and was very blinkered moving into the area thinking everything would be fine. It's quite far out of the city, so you really need to make sure it will work for you.

The Gandon Park development is built on land that was intended for later phases of the Paddocks estate, so the houses are completely different to what was built there over 10 years ago. I think the area will look very disjointed as a result.

There are also major parking issues in the older part of the estate, so I would check this out. I think all the new houses have 2 parking spots which is great. The original estate only had 1.5 per dwelling or less, so be prepared for cars parked everywhere.

The older residents will resentful too, I know I would be. They have put up with a lot of crap over the years, from trying to get the estate finished during and after the recession, to newer houses being built by different builders with no regard for those already living there.

Proximity to Lucan village is ok. You can walk down to Tesco in Dodsboro, across the pedestrian bring into the village, but it's still a good 15 min. A taxi back would be approx 7 euro.

Being close to Supervalu is handy for shopping in the evenings/weekends. But getting in and out of it during the day or near rush hour is a real pain in the a*s.

Two nice parks are in walking distance. Lucan Demesne/St. Catherine's & Griffeen Valley. Both very nice.

I live in a Cairn home, so can tell you the house will be well built and cheap to run. I would recommend the houses.

However, if I was buying in the area again, I would try and get something in a settled estate the other side of the N4.

sheriff2

The train in and out of Adamstown during rush hour is already becoming overcrowded and you can see it slowly getting worse. You will be lucky to still get parking at the station by the time you move in (unless they increase the parking)

Driving is a joke and will obviously get worse, if i drive to work i leave before 7am, otherwise traffic is a nightmare. Gandon development look nice, but i feel your in no mans land in regards to public transport!

Radsky

sheriff2 wrote: »

Driving is a joke and will obviously get worse, if i drive to work i leave before 7am, otherwise traffic is a nightmare. Gandon development look nice, but i feel your in no mans land in regards to public transport!

How about avoiding newcastle road by going thru dodsboro to get into n4? Is that route still a nightmare?

The 25 bus stop is also near this development right?

ozbackineire

Radsky wrote: »

How about avoiding newcastle road by going thru dodsboro to get into n4? Is that route still a nightmare?

The 25 bus stop is also near this development right?

you have to go up by the Spa hotel, cross the bridge and then back onto the N4, traffic on the N4 is backed up most days also so it wouldn't be of any benefit.

The 25 bus goes through the village, i don't know what the traffic is like in the village in the morning but i can't imagine that it is moving freely.

The_Conductor

ozbackineire wrote: »

you have to go up by the Spa hotel, cross the bridge and then back onto the N4, traffic on the N4 is backed up most days also so it wouldn't be of any benefit.

The 25 bus goes through the village, i don't know what the traffic is like in the village in the morning but i can't imagine that it is moving freely.

Its ok until about 7.45AM- thereafter its backed up the whole way from the Garda station- to the other side of the bridge at the bottom of Laraghcon. If its a wet morning- its often backed up the whole way to the Leixlip slip.

If you can get through the village before 7.45AM'ish- you're fine- otherwise, your best bet is to avoid the village altogether, double back into Leixlip and up and around Captain's Hill.

I live on the bridge in Lucan village btw- and grew up in Lucan village. The traffic is completely and utterly unreal- I'd seriously suggest you try it for a few mornings- just to see what I'm talking about.

Its the exact same in the evening- however, its worse from Chapel Hill direction- than from either Strawberry Beds- or Main Street Lucan.

The place has been destroyed by traffic

Jesky25

Thanks guys for your valuable suggestions/advice, this evening i went to the the lucan. I started from central park -> M50 -> N4 -> exit 4 -> New Castle Road.

I was in that area for around 2 hours and trust me the only traffic which i can say bothered me was M50 and rest was acceptable. It was a slow traffic which is everywhere i guess.

Spoke to one of the fellow who take 25B to Merrion Sq and he said it takes him 1 hour everyday. Since i work in city centre, i can get down at Bachlor's walk which is 7 mins walk to my office.

There is a new road construction in progress right beside Shackleton park which shrink the adamstown train station distance to 1.2 km.

One thing which @Col_30

The Gandon Park development is built on land that was intended for later phases of the Paddocks estate, so the houses are completely different to what was built there over 10 years ago. I think the area will look very disjointed as a result.

I specifically went to Paddocks way and it looks very mature estate but lots of cars were park right adjacent to gandon-paddocks fencing and i also agree with the point the area will looks bit disjoint.

I will go again this saturday/sunday and take the final call.

shanec1928

Jesky25 wrote: »

Thanks guys for your valuable suggestions/advice, this evening i went to the the lucan. I started from central park -> M50 -> N4 -> exit 4 -> New Castle Road.

I was in that area for around 2 hours and trust me the only traffic which i can say bothered me was M50 and rest was acceptable. It was a slow traffic which is everywhere i guess.

Spoke to one of the fellow who take 25B to Merrion Sq and he said it takes him 1 hour everyday. Since i work in city centre, i can get down at Bachlor's walk which is 7 mins walk to my office.

There is a new road construction in progress right beside Shackleton park which shrink the adamstown train station distance to 1.2 km.

One thing which @Col_30
I specifically went to Paddocks way and it looks very mature estate but lots of cars were park right adjacent to gandon-paddocks fencing and i also agree with the point the area will looks bit disjoint.

I will go again this saturday/sunday and take the final call.

Once you get off the n4 traffic isn’t a problem going towards Adamstown.its the other way that’s the issue.id try be around at some peak times if possible ie always heavily backed up 4-4.30 onwards.

IAmTheReign

Radsky wrote: »

How about avoiding newcastle road by going thru dodsboro to get into n4? Is that route still a nightmare?

The 25 bus stop is also near this development right?

The 25 stop in Dodsboro is walking distance but the 25 doesn't run very often and goes through Lucan village which can be pretty busy in the mornings. Could take 20-30 minutes just to get onto the N4 at Woodies.

You're best bet would be to try the different options yourself a few times and get a feel for how long the journey would be.

myshirt

A lot of negativity here. A lot justified, but there also should be balance. The Lucan swimming pool will finally get going this summer. Adamstown SDZ is now approaching Phase IV which means SDCC are kicking off the process of upgrades to the Newcastle Road. The Cellbridge Link road is being built. Bus connectivity will improve from a plain vanilla Lucan to the City, to transport within Lucan, Tallaght, Clondalkin etc. Lucan is also competing with Blanch to be the first route Bus Connects deals with. Public transport will improve, and the residents of Lucan were getting away with murder for years with the low level of densification out there which will now end.

There won't be any new trains until 2022 at a minimum though. The unions dip their fingers into any money allocated, which reduces the pot, plus the procurement process is lengthy.

The Newcastle road is an example of why people need to get out of their cars. When the kids are off school the traffic is much better. It's congested at the weekend again because people are in their cars who don't need to be. It's a cultural thing and I don't buy any other excuse. If you were to add lanes (which there isn't space for) then you are just inducing demand rather than using congestion. The only way to make people hear the message is tolls. The traffic will magically disappear then, and not all into rat runs.

spaceHopper

Use Google maps to check journey time change leave time to different times in the morning

audi5

Jesky25 wrote: »

Thanks guys for your valuable suggestions/advice, this evening i went to the the lucan. I started from central park -> M50 -> N4 -> exit 4 -> New Castle Road.

I was in that area for around 2 hours and trust me the only traffic which i can say bothered me was M50 and rest was acceptable. It was a slow traffic which is everywhere i guess.

Spoke to one of the fellow who take 25B to Merrion Sq and he said it takes him 1 hour everyday. Since i work in city centre, i can get down at Bachlor's walk which is 7 mins walk to my office.

There is a new road construction in progress right beside Shackleton park which shrink the adamstown train station distance to 1.2 km.

One thing which @Col_30
I specifically went to Paddocks way and it looks very mature estate but lots of cars were park right adjacent to gandon-paddocks fencing and i also agree with the point the area will looks bit disjoint.

I will go again this saturday/sunday and take the final call.

Nothing beats your own due diligence, well done.

I do this commute via train - its 45 mins door to door but I drive to the station. Many take 25X, which should get you to Bachelors walk in approx 40 mins. Its 2 mins walk from Gandon park/Paddocks but there are only 3 X buses in the morning - check dublinbus.ie to see if 25/25X times suit you.

Road network is being improved - check sdcc.ie for roads under planning permission.

Jesky25

I am going for the viewing today, will post if something noticeable comes up.

ND19

I've also secured a house in Gandon Park Phase 1! Would anyone be interested in creating a residents Facebook group or something?

The_Conductor

ND19 wrote: »

I've also secured a house in Gandon Park Phase 1! Would anyone be interested in creating a residents Facebook group or something?

If you're doing this- be careful- the developer is a bit touchy about purchasers setting up groups like this.

Jesky25

Let’s create a group as I have also booked in Gandon park phase 1.

Jesky25

Has anyone know Cairn will be building the apartments blocks (3 to 4) right at the entrance. I asked will there be any social housing and they said there is a 10%rule so it might be. I am not sure what impact it will put on the house resale down the line.

myshirt

Jesky25 wrote: »

Has anyone know Cairn will be building the apartments blocks (3 to 4) right at the entrance. I asked will there be any social housing and they said there is a 10%rule so it might be. I am not sure what impact it will put on the house resale down the line.

The very vast majority of it will be social housing, and there is nothing necessarily wrong with that so don't be put off. That area of Dublin is ethnically and culturally diverse, and has a mix of socioconomic groupings and income profiles. The houses are at an accessible price point too.

The social houses are marked out on the planning, but ignore it as they changed it afterwards. Speak with local councilors, inspect the choice based letting pipeline records, and call SDCC. The councilors regularly ask the Council what's the story with the social housing, and the council tell them how many units they are waiting to be delivered, unit type, and scheme. You can see them appearing on the choice based letting records too.

There are 48 apartments for social housing across the way in Shackleton, and more in Gandon, more in the DRES development, and more in the Castlethorn development. 10% is the requirement, but these developers are meeting the 10% requirement they have at other sites by supplying properties in Lucan.

It's all good vibes, albeit I wouldn't have went for a concentration of units in the one block in Shackleton but look that's the deal that was done. Nothing sinister here.

This developer at Gandon is definitely monitoring this thread, 100%, and they are sensitive to anything negative. Talk to your local representative about pre-planning on neighbouring sites to Gandon also, couple of interesting take aways but I'll say no more as there's always a risk of mods dishing out a paddling.

Wish everyone the best with houses out there and really hope the place does well for everyone.

Graham

myshirt wrote: »

This developer at Gandon is definitely monitoring this thread, 100%, and they are sensitive to anything negative. Talk to your local representative about pre-planning on neighbouring sites to Gandon also, couple of interesting take aways but I'll say no more as there's always a risk of mods dishing out a paddling.

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Wingman2010

myshirt wrote: »

There are 48 apartments for social housing across the way in Shackleton, and more in Gandon, more in the DRES development, and more in the Castlethorn development. 10% is the requirement, but these developers are meeting the 10% requirement they have at other sites by supplying properties in Lucan.

It's all good vibes, albeit I wouldn't have went for a concentration of units in the one block in Shackleton but look that's the deal that was done. Nothing sinister here.

You’re correct that this developer is meeting the 10% requirement that they need to meet in other sites including a particular site they have in the South Side by putting a lot of Part v units in this development in Lucan. I was shocked when I found out they could do this!!

Bandito909

Wingman2010 wrote: »

You’re correct that this developer is meeting the 10% requirement that they need to meet in other sites including a particular site they have in the South Side by putting a lot of Part v units in this development in Lucan. I was shocked when I found out they could do this!!

That's a bit crazy, I thought each individual site needed to include the social housing within it?

sheriff2

Regarding the social housing, the developer can do a deal with the local councils.

As far as I know local councils have a limit on what they can spend on a unit (below article mentions it). So if the councils threshold for a 3 bed house is 450k, they literally cant afford to buy into some schemes. Think Castlethorn - they have homesin Foxrock, id be certain their allocation of social housing ends up in Adamstown. Also new apartments in the docklands are listed at €850k so developer does a deal and builds an apartment block in another area for the councils

https://www.herald.ie/news/council-seeks-more-cash-to-buy-social-housing-in-the-pricier-parts-of-city-37794713.html

myshirt

sheriff2 wrote: »

Regarding the social housing, the developer can do a deal with the local councils.

As far as I know local councils have a limit on what they can spend on a unit (below article mentions it). So if the councils threshold for a 3 bed house is 450k, they literally cant afford to buy into some schemes. Think Castlethorn - they have homesin Foxrock, id be certain their allocation of social housing ends up in Adamstown. Also new apartments in the docklands are listed at €850k so developer does a deal and builds an apartment block in another area for the councils

https://www.herald.ie/news/council-seeks-more-cash-to-buy-social-housing-in-the-pricier-parts-of-city-37794713.html

Correct.

There is also a requirement with the area (and wider Adamstown SDZ plan) that sites be provided for traveller accommodation. It's cheaper for the Council to do anyy out that side given the accessible prices these units and the land are being sold for.

The_Conductor

Sorry for stating the obvious- but thats a damn good reason for the significant number of secondhand sales happening in the area at the moment- people in the know are bailing..........

ND19

myshirt wrote: »

Correct.

There is also a requirement with the area (and wider Adamstown SDZ plan) that sites be provided for traveller accommodation. It's cheaper for the Council to do anyy out that side given the accessible prices these units and the land are being sold for.

Hey could you post the link for the councils plans for Adamstown please? I can't find it. Thanks.

Jesky25

I have seen the plan and as far as I remember there is no Travellers accommodation for gandon Park.

The_Conductor

Jesky25 wrote: »

I have seen the plan and as far as I remember there is no Travellers accommodation for gandon Park.

Its just outside Gandon Park- I don't think its been moved.
The plans- along with all the maps- are still to be viewed in the local library.

MSVforever

The_Conductor wrote: »

Sorry for stating the obvious- but thats a damn good reason for the significant number of secondhand sales happening in the area at the moment- people in the know are bailing..........

Unfortunately there's a good bit of antisocial behaviour around the playground and Londis in Adamstown. This has forced some folks to sell.
The rest of Adamstown is very quiet.

I hope that the council won't be building traveller accommodation. The way the nearby halting sites look is just shocking (e. g. Foxdene / Foxborough or the one close to Clondalkin / Fonthill train station ). It's not outsiders who go into their estates and wreck everything.
Why should the taxpayer support this kind of nonsense?
There are thousands of hardworking people with low incomes who should be supported instead.

ND19

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its just outside Gandon Park- I don't think its been moved.
The plans- along with all the maps- are still to be viewed in the local library.

Have you anything to back this statement up about traveller accomadation going in right beside gandon park or is it just word of mouth?

The_Conductor

ND19 wrote: »

Have you anything to back this statement up about traveller accomadation going in right beside gandon park or is it just word of mouth?

The map is on view in the library (at Supervalu just up the road) (and also in SDCC's offices in Tallaght).

Go have a look.

Jesky25

https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/planning/strategic-development-zones/adamstown/adamstown-sdz-2014/
https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/planning/strategic-development-zones/adamstown/adamstown-sdz-2014/section-3-0-development-and-amenity-areas.pdf
https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/planning/strategic-development-zones/adamstown/adamstown-sdz-2014/section-4-0-phasing-and-implementation.pdf

Check section-3-0-development-and-amenity-areas.pdf page 52 (Airlie Stud) which is actually Gandon Park and there is no Travellers accomodation. I can see like there is one for Somerton, Tobermaclugg village(Shackleton Park)

Does anyone know in those plans how council depicts social housing?

ND19

Check section-3-0-development-and-amenity-areas.pdf page 52 (Airlie Stud) which is actually Gandon Park and there is no Travellers accomodation. I can see like there is one for Somerton, Tobermaclugg village(Shackleton Park)

Does anyone know in those plans how council depicts social housing?[/quote]

Thanks for posting the links, very helpful! I don't see any plans for traveller accom near gandon either.

I don't think by law the council can specify where exactly the S.H will be but there will definitely have to be 10% which is approx 23 houses/apartments/duplexes.

Bbborris

According to the SDZ plans, the traveller accommodation is in Tubber Lane, Somerton, and Arderrig developments.

Lovely!��

myshirt

Bbborris wrote: »

According to the SDZ plans, the traveller accommodation is in Tubber Lane, Somerton, and Arderrig developments.

Lovely!��

The plan was varied in 2014, and following this there is various back and forth between Council and representative groups. Speak with one of the local councilors who can link you in. You're not going to get all the detail wrapped up in a nice little bow and all from the comfort of your arm chair. And as a heads up, I'm not trying to insinuate there's anything underhand here, all the councilors seem to be onside and supportive for how Adamstown is being developed. Sometimes at odds with the residents, agreed, but I wouldn't go as far to say the council or the councilors are reckless.

Also, I do agree that you have to filter out the noise, the bullsh'tters, scaremongers, and all the pub talk. 100%. But do your due diligence, and not just from the comfort of your arm chair via a quick Google. You are spending a lot of money here and no doubt you broke your bollix to get the deposit. Make sure you are happy.

Anne86

Hi all!
I have also put a deposit down in gandon park.Im a little worried re where the house is as its very close to the apartments.A facebook page would be great😊

Jesky25

Finally after considering all the points, I have decided to cancel the booking.

Anne86

Ah that's a pity you have cancelled booking.I spoke to lots of people.I think It's a gamble no matter where you live and we are willing to take the gamble.Hopefully gandon will be lovely🤗

The_Conductor

Anne86 wrote: »

Ah that's a pity you have cancelled booking.I spoke to lots of people.I think It's a gamble no matter where you live and we are willing to take the gamble.Hopefully gandon will be lovely🤗

Ordinarily its a bit of a gamble- however, you can take some of the randomness out of the gamble by doing appropriate due diligence. In this instance- the developer is getting away with stacking social housing units into the development and immediate vicinity- which should more appropriately have been built elsewhere- but the local authority are allowing them be constructed here instead- so as to minimise the effect on other, more premium, locations. In addition- you have the whole Clonburris SDZ and its effect on the area- alongside further development making use of the SDZ to avail of lack of planning oversight.

Lots of people who grew up in Lucan and its general environs- are getting out. Lots of people see it as a version of Tallaght from the early 80s- perhaps it won't come to that level of deprivation and lawlessness- however, the fact of the matter is- there is a danger, a distinct danger, that we simply have a more uptodate version of Tallaght- where developers are making use the existence of an SDZ to use the area as a dumping ground for social housing that they'd rather not devalue other developments they're involved in, with.

I'm one of the people who grew up in Lucan- and still live here- and would be out of here like a shot if I could make it work financially........ The place has been destroyed- and its only going to get worse.

Jesky25

As per my opinion, buying a house is a long term commitment and i believe one should do all the due diligence which i did and i believe after 5 years that area is going to be very over crowded and schools are already over subscribed and what will happen after 5 years.
And Clonburris is also going to have 8000 homes.

In 1 km of Gandon Park, you can get 3 bed new houses ranging from 300K to 370K which is very big gap and due to any circumstances you have to sell your house then this gap is not gonna fill.

Anyways, i really appreciate you all to help me take this decision.

Wingman2010

Jesky25 wrote: »

Finally after considering all the points, I have decided to cancel the booking.

I’m sure something will work out for you. I also cancelled a deposit in Shackleton a few months ago for various reasons. I had to do it as I wasn’t 100% happy to purchase there in the end quite simply. It’s a huge some of money and a massive investment to buy anywhere. You need to be 100% sure it’s right for you so it’s the correct decision if you were having serious doubts. The best of luck with your search.

ND19

Anne86 wrote: »

Ah that's a pity you have cancelled booking.I spoke to lots of people.I think It's a gamble no matter where you live and we are willing to take the gamble.Hopefully gandon will be lovely🀗

Hi Anne,
My house in Gandon is also very close to the apartments but I don't mind. The estate has 230 units in comparison to shackelton with close to 1000. I got such a good vibe from the estate and the way it all worked out I knew it was meant to be.
A Facebook page would be much easier to communicate. I haven't really spoke to anyone else who has bought in Gandon

MSVforever

There will be more social housing in Newpark / St. Helen's. Apparently Tuath housing will be looking after the units which is great as they are usually vetting their tenants properly.

This concerns me more tbh:

https://www.echo.ie/lucan/article/traveller-accommodation-discussions-have-begun

The_Conductor

MSVforever wrote: »

There will be more social housing in Newpark / St. Helen's. Apparently Tuath housing will be looking after the units which is great as they are usually vetting their tenants properly.

This concerns me more tbh:

https://www.echo.ie/lucan/article/traveller-accommodation-discussions-have-begun

All you can really do is lobby your local representatives.
There is already massive overdevelopment in the area- and antisocial behaviour- it makes no sense whatsoever to add this into the mix.
The nature of the SDZ means that a lot of legitimate and genuine concerns- are not being heard (and in addition- the manner in which SDCC is geographically constructed- means a lot of councillors who are not from the area and not immediately affected by their decisions- are getting to play god with Tallaght Mark 2).

The lack of any cohesive and joined up thinking- is staggering.