Recent government announcement

Thespoofer

Would anybody like to hazard a guess at what changes the government has in mind when they say they're looking at re jigging the motor tax system ( under the guise of climate/environmental measures).

Myself, I feel they may hammer diesels, both older and newer models. I'm in the market for a second hand car at present but after hearing this recently I'm going to wait and see.

zurbfoundation

They will reduce tax rate by age of vehicle as keeping older cars in the fleet is more envoirnmentally friendly that producing more vehicles.

Once it passes nct they will force the insurers to not discriminate based on age of vehicle.

A pig just flew past my window

uck51js9zml2yt

Not this government. It will effect election results.

Atlantic Dawn

Likely the next move will be equalisation of duty on diesel to match petrol so pricing is the same.

ednwireland

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Likely the next move will be equalisation of duty on diesel to match petrol so pricing is the same.

the problem they have with doing that is that it will put up the inflation rate as everyone tries to recoup hugely increased transport costs.

mickdw

They could always reduce the duty on petrol so! I know. No chance.

Allinall

Thespoofer wrote: »

Would anybody like to hazard a guess at what changes the government has in mind when they say they're looking at re jigging the motor tax system ( under the guise of climate/environmental measures).

Myself, I feel they may hammer diesels, both older and newer models. I'm in the market for a second hand car at present but after hearing this recently I'm going to wait and see.

I haven’t heard the government say anything?

Any links?

Thespoofer

zurbfoundation wrote: »

They will reduce tax rate by age of vehicle as keeping older cars in the fleet is more envoirnmentally friendly that producing more vehicles.

Once it passes nct they will force the insurers to not discriminate based on age of vehicle.

A pig just flew past my window

I started to get very excited reading this post...

Thespoofer

Allinall wrote: »

I haven’t heard the government say anything?

Any links?

It's in the Irish times, examiner.
I heard it on the radio at work, they will probably ban gas/oil boilers and look at the motor tax system again, all for environmental reasons.

Further details over the next number of weeks.

uck51js9zml2yt

Thespoofer wrote: »

It's in the Irish times, examiner.
I heard it on the radio at work, they will probably ban gas/oil boilers and look at the motor tax system again, all for environmental reasons.

Further details over the next number of weeks.

How to they propose those in rural areas heat our homes? Burn turf in open fires?


Not everyone has natural gas to their door.

punisher5112

Brian Obedient Spring wrote: »

How to they propose those in rural areas heat our homes? Burn turf in open fires?


Not everyone has natural gas to their door.

Electricity, heat pumps, solar etc etc etc....

punisher5112

Green party fooked us all over and I'm hearing they're making a come back.... How they are still around is beyond me.

We have so much hurt since the crazy ideas and implementation of said crazy ideas....

Thespoofer

I'd say it would be a ban on fossil fuel boilers in new builds from a given date ( nothing to do with motors I know).
Remember about 2-3 weeks ago they declared a climate change emergency, I was only waiting for further announcements then which inevitably will cost us money.

rebecc29

Agreed!

newcavanman

punisher5112 wrote: »

Electricity, heat pumps, solar etc etc etc....

We have a heat pump. It stopped working in the middle of the big snow of 2010/11. Result, was 4 nights of -20 with only an open coal fire to heat the house.
After that, we got a new oil burner and a stove for the kitchen diner.
To paraphrase Charelton Heston, the only way they will get our oil burner is " from these dead hands "

highdef

Thespoofer wrote: »

I'd say it would be a ban on fossil fuel boilers in new builds from a given date ( nothing to do with motors I know).
Remember about 2-3 weeks ago they declared a climate change emergency, I was only waiting for further announcements then which inevitably will cost us money.

That sounds both plausible, workable and likely. Having said that, I'm in a fairly rural area so would not like to be hit with extra taxes should the government like to go a step or two further. When finances allow, I will move from kerosene to more environmentally friendly alternatives. My back garden is powered from solar panels and battery banks. My hot water cylinder is future ready for solar heating so at least I'm being a little bit progressive.

the_syco

punisher5112 wrote: »

Electricity, heat pumps, solar etc etc etc....

Illegal turf it is.

selectamatic

the_syco wrote: »

Illegal turf it is.

Hon the lads...

copperhead

if there going to change things drastically regarding cars then they will have to put in viable options for people in terms of public transport,remember we were incentivised to go down the diesel route through the government as it was said to be more environmentally friendly, as for home heating if they are willing to stump up the money for alternative heat sources and pay to have them retrofitted, id doubt there would be too much opposition from home owners. we need a definitive path to follow, lead by government and when i say government i mean hard data and facts and not pie in the sky stuff that turns out to be obsolete in 10 years , its only 11 years ago that the government were pushing us all towards diesel cars

Seth Brundle

We're probably going to have a general election later this year or more likely next year.
Unlikely to have any tax increases before then.

lawred2

Brian Obedient Spring wrote: »

How to they propose those in rural areas heat our homes? Burn turf in open fires?


Not everyone has natural gas to their door.

Well I mean you simply shouldn't be cutting and burning a natural carbon sink. You just shouldn't.

lawred2

Thespoofer wrote: »

I'd say it would be a ban on fossil fuel boilers in new builds from a given date ( nothing to do with motors I know).
Remember about 2-3 weeks ago they declared a climate change emergency, I was only waiting for further announcements then which inevitably will cost us money.

Would be fairly confident natural gas wouldn't initially be included in such a ban

colm_mcm

lawred2 wrote: »

Would be fairly confident natural gas wouldn't initially be included in such a ban

Have to agree. Probably not a popular opinion but wood stoves are unreal for dangerous particulate matter too.

bazz26

Haven't had one of these threads in a few months.

When they changed the motor tax rates for 2008+ cars, the amount of money people were paying on tax reduced a lot.

I think everyone knew it was gonna be only a matter of time before this reduction in income to the govt. would result in a re-examining of the motor tax system. Also, new electric cars etc. are hurting the income too.


I can't see anything other than a blanket increase in the tax rates/bands for cars coming. And in fairness, from a govt. income standpoint, it's probably long overdue. As a motorist, they'll never make a change that will save me money, so all I can do is hope that they drag out the implementation for a bit longer yet!

Tiercel Dave

newcavanman wrote: »

......will get our oil burner is " from these dead hands "

"From these cold dead hands" if the Government gets it's way.....

mickdw

lawred2 wrote: »

Brian Obedient Spring wrote: »

How to they propose those in rural areas heat our homes? Burn turf in open fires?


Not everyone has natural gas to their door.

Well I mean you simply shouldn't be cutting and burning a natural carbon sink. You just shouldn't.

I heard just last week that based on current carbon tax rates ( or rates that are coming soon ) and based on the acknowledged usefulness of bog as a carbon sink, that a hectare of raised blanket bog is worth a serious amount of money annually. If land owners were to be paid this true value based on current carbon tax rates, turf cutting wouldn't even be considered.
I believe this shows the true value of the bog but also how the taxation is a scam designed to take cash from the population and not really a carbon fair system at all. Tax everything you buy yet no credit for the thousands of acres of bog.

Del2005

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't see anything other than a blanket increase in the tax rates/bands for cars coming. And in fairness, from a govt. income standpoint, it's probably long overdue. As a motorist, they'll never make a change that will save me money, so all I can do is hope that they drag out the implementation for a bit longer yet!

They can't increase the cost of EV motortaxes, to incentivise us to convert!, and they can't increase electricity costs to cover the fuel duty and other taxes lost.

What they'll do is bring in road tolling, lower for EVs obviously! and time based, and black boxes for cars, which we'll have to buy, to make sure that ICE cars are no longer viable so we'll scrap them all and replace them with EVs to help the environment by reducing our carbon emissions. Good job all the extra emissions from scrapping perfectly good cars and for the new cars won't affect us.

Marcusm

Brian Obedient Spring wrote: »

How to they propose those in rural areas heat our homes? Burn turf in open fires?


Not everyone has natural gas to their door.

Gas/oil boilers to be banned for all new homes. The theory is that required levels of insulation and air tightness (ie energy performance) means that geothermal, air to water or similar is all that you would require. Theory.

ednwireland

The All of Government Plan to Tackle Climate Disruption is expected to be published by Minister for Climate Action Richard Bruton in the coming weeks.

A draft of the plan seen by The Irish Times includes measures such as changing regulations to make all buildings more energy efficient; banning single-use plastic convenience items such as polystyrene food containers, cups and drinks containers; and reforming the vehicle registration and motor tax systems.

It also suggests banning the installation of gas and oil boilers in new homes within three and six years respectively, and potentially beginning a process to phase out the use of fossil fuel heating systems in all homes within six years among many other measures.

At the core of the plan is the promise to increase carbon tax from €20 to €80 per tonne by 2030.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-domestic-boilers-could-be-banned-under-new-climate-change-plan-1.3896162

jus for those missing the article !