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Firearms cert approval if superintendent absent?

  • 19-05-2019 3:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Hypothetically speaking, if your local station was the one that a superintendent was suspended from recently and you had a license application pending, would that application just hang in limbo? I say hypothetically because I heard a rumour that it may be my local station where the suspension happened but am not sure if true.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Until someone else can sign off your application, most likely.

    There was an instance a good few years back where Inspectors were signing off on renewals (not applications) and there was a hint of it not being legally correct as the Firearms Act only allows for the signing of licenses to be done by Chief Super or Super (its the Commissioner's job, but it can be delegated to Chief Super/Super however no one of a lower rank i believe).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Cass wrote: »
    Until someone else can sign off your application, most likely.

    There was an instance a good few years back where Inspectors were signing off on renewals (not applications) and there was a hint of it not being legally correct as the Firearms Act only allows for the signing of licenses to be done by Chief Super or Super (its the Commissioner's job, but it can be delegated to Chief Super/Super however no one of a lower rank i believe).

    This makes me sad beyond belief


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Don't doubt it lad. With recent reports of lads waiting since last October/November for grants only coming in this week this won't help.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Cass wrote: »
    Don't doubt it lad. With recent reports of lads waiting since last October/November for grants only coming in this week this won't help.

    That's for sure. Shame because this station processed my last one in 20 days.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Pay the Super's bail and ask him to sign the application. :D

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  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭ Kran


    I was only thinking the same myself when I heard a super was under investigation. Hope it’s not my area as just dropped an application off myself. You might not want to mention the town but which county was it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Kran wrote: »
    I was only thinking the same myself when I heard a super was under investigation. Hope it’s not my area as just dropped an application off myself. You might not want to mention the town but which county was it?

    We may or may not be the all Ireland hurling champions and the town may or may not have the same name as the county


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭ Kran


    We may or may not be the all Ireland hurling champions and the town may or may not have the same name as the county
    Hope you get sorted, worst thing is you won’t even know for months if this is affecting you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Kran wrote: »
    Hope you get sorted, worst thing is you won’t even know for months if this is affecting you.

    Cheers mate. Yeah.. It sucks. The FO told me Thursday that the application was with the Super. That was also the day the s**t hit the fan. If it's all true, then I should probably expect to be waiting a lot longer than 3 months


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭ BattleCorp


    They'll get another Super to cover the district. One of my licences was signed off by a Super in a different district.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭ BattleCorp


    They'll get another Super to cover the district. One of my licences was signed off by a Super in a different district.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭ Vizzy


    The licence will be signed off by whoever is "acting" for the Super while he is suspended.
    Same as would happen if the Super was out on long term sick leave.

    All my recent renewal( for the last 4 or 5 years) letters have been signed off by an Inspector, but I have no doubt that the Super has seen them first.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Battle Corp, Vizzy - you have filled this 29 and 3/4 year old with youthful optimism


  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭ Savage93


    Cass wrote: »
    Until someone else can sign off your application, most likely.

    There was an instance a good few years back where Inspectors were signing off on renewals (not applications) and there was a hint of it not being legally correct as the Firearms Act only allows for the signing of licenses to be done by Chief Super or Super (its the Commissioner's job, but it can be delegated to Chief Super/Super however no one of a lower rank i believe).

    I had a renewal last month signed off by the local inspector. Gorey area, chief super Enniscorthy based


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    I'm not saying it cannot be done and i have had licenses signed off on by an Inspector a few years back when we had two Supers in my locale retire with no replacements.

    However it did raise the "is it legal" question. Or more accurately are the licenses valid. It's like a Super signing off on a restricted license. He cannot legally do it, and any license issued by a Super for a restricted license would be moot as soon as it was issued.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Hypothetically speaking, if your local station was the one that a superintendent was suspended from recently and you had a license application pending, would that application just hang in limbo? I say hypothetically because I heard a rumour that it may be my local station where the suspension happened but am not sure if true.

    It will fall to whoever is then designated "acting Superintendent" for the district by the cheif Comiss,to keep the day to day running of the station going.That will be usually someone at senior inspector rank.Happened in my dist when the super previous has to consider his position when I had a .22 pistol cert in.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Roxboro??? If it is,I wouldn't be a bit surprised...:rolleyes: Hypothetically of course.

    That may or may not be my local station. Reaaaally hoping I get my license soon despite the rumored staffing issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Roxboro??? If it is,I wouldn't be a bit surprised...:rolleyes: Hypothetically of course.

    Anyway, silly pretenses aside, the FO in Roxboro is excellent in fairness. No BS with her


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    Question for Limerick people:

    Has anyone had a new license or renewal signed off by ROXBORO GS in the last 3 weeks?


  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭ Bagpipe


    Question for Limerick people:

    Has anyone had a new license or renewal signed off by ROXBORO GS in the last 3 weeks?


    Same question but anyone in the Claremorris area?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭ jb88


    Had two renewal licences signed off by an Inspector, both renewal forms posted to me yesterday. Ive not seen it before.


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    jb88 wrote: »
    Had two renewal licences signed off by an Inspector, both renewal forms posted to me yesterday. Ive not seen it before.


    Same for me yesterday. In Roxboro, there's an Inspector as acting super while the other lad is allegedly being investigated.


    I was refused a moderator, however, despite having given a list of reasons for requiring it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭ BattleCorp


    Same for me yesterday. In Roxboro, there's an Inspector as acting super while the other lad is allegedly being investigated.


    I was refused a moderator, however, despite having given a list of reasons for requiring it.

    Did you get the refusal in writing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭ JohnFitz2332


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Did you get the refusal in writing?

    No, the FO called me and said the rifle was approved but the moderator won't be granted.

    It may be included on the grant letter when that arrives I guess?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭ BattleCorp


    No, the FO called me and said the rifle was approved but the moderator won't be granted.

    It may be included on the grant letter when that arrives I guess?

    You should request the refusal in writing. You are entitled to it as far as I am aware.


  • Registered Users Posts: 971 ✭✭✭ Peppa Cig


    On the subject of refusals - where does it leave you on costs if RFD has firearm on hold for you/ordered in for you and you get a refusal for your application?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    If it ends up in court and you win,your RFD is in for a full payment.As it is associated costs of your case..

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    You should request the refusal in writing. You are entitled to it as far as I am aware.

    Very much so,as it is classified as a "firearm"in it's own right under legislation.So the refusal must be in writing.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 971 ✭✭✭ Peppa Cig


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    If it ends up in court and you win,your RFD is in for a full payment.As it is associated costs of your case..

    And if you don’t win?

    Prompts another question please - what percentage of appeals would you say are successful?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭ Bagpipe


    No, the FO called me and said the rifle was approved but the moderator won't be granted.

    It may be included on the grant letter when that arrives I guess?




    Would it be a good idea to call in and ask about the progress on an application? Or would that be classified as 'getting cheeky'?


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