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Tiered Championship

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Ah **** this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Just to show again where this leads. Offaly could be heading for the Christy Ring Cup next year. The tiered championship hasn't worked for them. Carlow were the team to get the bogey prize of promotion to the 'elites' this year. They're taking their whippings and will be back down to give someone else ago next year. Then soon they will close off that avenue as the tier 2 teams just can't compete at the top so they're wasting the 'elites' time. The team that were giving Carlow their beating this week were Dublin. They were minnows not so long ago. It wasn't the tiered championship that helped them.
    That's what they aim should be and that's what the 'weaker' counties should be fighting for.

    On one hand you are arguing that 4 games against top opposition will do nothing for Carlow hurling and on the other hand you are arguing that teams need to be playing against top opposition to improve. Which is it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Dublin were at the same level as Antrim and Laois and way behind Offaly. How did they go so far forward while the others went backwards? They were minnows just like Westmeath and Carlow also. Could you imagine any of these counties winning a national league or a Leinster championship?
    Whatever was done in Dublin works. They are competing at the top level. A tiered championship doesn't work. Offaly are close to going to tier 3.

    Tiered or non-tiered championship had nothing to do with Dublins improvement in recent years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    robbiezero wrote: »
    On one hand you are arguing that 4 games against top opposition will do nothing for Carlow hurling and on the other hand you are arguing that teams need to be playing against top opposition to improve. Which is it?
    robbiezero wrote: »
    Tiered or non-tiered championship had nothing to do with Dublins improvement in recent years.

    I thought it was pretty clear what I meant but it looks like I have to spell it out.

    Obviously, the tiered championship hasn't had an impact on Dublin, that's exactly the point I was making. They improved with serious investment. That's what needs to be done with Carlow in hurling and with the 'weaker' counties in football. Throwing them into b and c championships clearly does not work. We know what works, it's there staring at us. Dublin were minnows in hurling, replicate what happened there in other counties.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Bury your head in the sand if you so wish.

    No, you mentioned financial irregularities so at least post some evidence?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    It's not. You and others were claiming that tiered competitions were the norm, you were wrong. Not for the first time.

    Im getting a bit fed up of you deliberately misrepresenting me, and deliberately twisting my words to suit your argument. I was specifically referring to the major national championships in most sports as you well know and i mentioned that in cup tournaments very rarely do all teams start at the same level.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    And not the first time the meaning of something has flown right over your head. Look, you said that teams need to play against tougher opposition to improve their own level, you basically admitted the tiered championships won't work. Time to move on.

    Once again you're deliberately misinterpreting me, i admitted no such thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    No, you mentioned financial irregularities so at least post some evidence?

    You want me to break into Mayo GAA HQ and rob you some documents?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Im getting a bit fed up of you deliberately misrepresenting me, and deliberately twisting my words to suit your argument. I was specifically referring to the major national championships in most sports as you well know and i mentioned that in cup tournaments very rarely do all teams start at the same level.

    You said a tiered system is how nearly every other country organises their championships. Clearly you are wrong. Most cup competitions are open to all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Once again you're deliberately misinterpreting me, i admitted no such thing.

    You did, you said that teams can only improve by playing other teams of a higher standard. That means the tiered system won't work. I'm not twisting your words, it's what you said.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    You said a tiered system is how nearly every other country organises their championships. Clearly you are wrong. Most cup competitions are open to all.

    I said 'major' championship, again as you well know. I mean if you dont want to have a grown up discussion then fine, but at least have the honesty to accurately represent my views. And while yes re the cups again you are completely ignoring my actual point, that all teams dont start at the same round.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    You want me to break into Mayo GAA HQ and rob you some documents?

    But you said this earlier
    The finance available to Mayo isn't always stated in the official books,

    So no point breaking in is there? so where are these documents detailing the irregularities? Mm surprised you are allowed make these outrageous allegations with impunity tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    I said 'major' championship, again as you well know. I mean if you dont want to have a grown up discussion then fine, but at least have the honesty to accurately represent my views. And while yes re the cups again you are completely ignoring my actual point, that all teams dont start at the same round.

    You said major championships. And not all teams start in the same round in Gaelic Football either, doesn't mean it's not free for all teams to compete, just like most other countries.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    You did, you said that teams can only improve by playing other teams of a higher standard. That means the tiered system won't work. I'm not twisting your words, it's what you said.

    Yes you ****ing are, i clearly said that playing 'regularly' (not once a year) at a higher level will bring teams on and referenced Roscommon and Cavan, now i also said that teams had to earn the right to play at a higher level level by coming through form the levels below, its really quite a simple concept really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    But you said this earlier



    So no point breaking in is there? so where are these documents detailing the irregularities? Mm surprised you are allowed make these outrageous allegations with impunity tbh

    Official, as in released documents. As I said, bury your head in the sand if you want. Has anyone ever claimed managers in the GAA get paid on this forum?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    You said major championships. And not all teams start in the same round in Gaelic Football either, doesn't mean it's not free for all teams to compete, just like most other countries.

    Yes thats exactly what i said and in most sports, knockout cup competitions aren't regarded as the major championship. No indeed not all teams start in the same round but thats mainly due to the draw, though i accept there are some seeding considerations in Leisnter and Munster


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Official, as in released documents. As I said, bury your head in the sand if you want. Has anyone ever claimed managers in the GAA get paid on this forum?

    So what documents do you think are not being released? Are you accusing Mayo GAA of corrupt practice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Yes you ****ing are, i clearly said that playing 'regularly' (not once a year) at a higher level will bring teams on and referenced Roscommon and Cavan, now i also said that teams had to earn the right to play at a higher level level by coming through form the levels below, its really quite a simple concept really.

    So we already have a tiered system, it's called the league. Why do you want two? That's different to sports in nearly every other country.
    Then you are arguing for a new system for the championship, one where teams can play against counties of a higher standard regularly. Let's figure out that system then as the tiered one was a bad idea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Yes thats exactly what i said and in most sports, knockout cup competitions aren't regarded as the major championship. No indeed not all teams start in the same round but thats mainly due to the draw, though i accept there are some seeding considerations in Leisnter and Munster

    Championships is plural so you were talking about more than one competition in all these other countries. Nearly every one has a tiered competition and a cup competition. Every team can enter the cup competition. I think we're finally getting places here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    So what documents do you think are not being released? Are you accusing Mayo GAA of corrupt practice?

    If you're not aware of what's going on in your own county, I can't help you.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    It's a pity this thread has gone to the dogs thanks to the posts of a single poster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    It's a pity this thread has gone to the dogs thanks to the posts of a single poster.

    I know Coilte Bhoy is contradicting himself constantly but he's allowed to post if he wants. The flaws in the tiered championship concept are being exposed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Championships is plural so you were talking about more than one competition in all these other countries. Nearly every one has a tiered competition and a cup competition. Every team can enter the cup competition. I think we're finally getting places here.

    Have a bit of cop on and dont ****ing tell me what i was referring to, i know exactly what i meant. I was quite clearly was referring to the major/premier championshipS, in various countries and sports, ie English premiership is the major title in Englidh football, Champions Cup in European Rugby, bloody hell :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    If you're not aware of what's going on in your own county, I can't help you.

    Oh i am, but you seem to think otherwise so Why not enlighten us then? You've basically accused Mayo GAA of being involved in corruption and cant provide a jot of evidencde.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Have a bit of cop on and dont ****ing tell me what i was referring to, i know exactly what i meant. I was quite clearly was referring to the major/premier championshipS, in various countries and sports, ie English premiership is the major title in Englidh football, Champions Cup in European Rugby, bloody hell :rolleyes:

    Calm yourself down. Not the first time you've flown off the handle. You said major championships, most countries have more than one. We've already sorted out that the league is the GAA's tiered competition, you still haven't explained why you think two is necessary. A change in structure of the championship is something that should be looked into. Throwing counties out of the championship is not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Oh i am, but you seem to think otherwise so Why not enlighten us then? You've basically accused Mayo GAA of being involved in corruption and cant provide a jot of evidencde.

    Will if you already know of the irregularities, why do you keep asking me to spoon feed you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    So we already have a tiered system, it's called the league. Why do you want two? That's different to sports in nearly every other country.
    Then you are arguing for a new system for the championship, one where teams can play against counties of a higher standard regularly. Let's figure out that system then as the tiered one was a bad idea.

    Most sports have at least two competitions, the premier one is a tiered system , the secondary one is usually a knockout where all teams are eligible to compete to a certain degree. I want a complete new structure with both league and cship in their present forms scrapped scrapped and the AI Football Cship to become a tiered round robin type system leading to a knockout AI series, and btw im not against the lesser teams being allowed enter provided they play off to allow the best of them to come through, eg like happens in the Champions League or Europa league


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Will if you already know of the irregularities, why do you keep asking me to spoon feed you?

    But i dont, thats why im asking you to enlighten me. Why all the mystery?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Most sports have at least two competitions, the premier one is a tiered system , the secondary one is usually a knockout where all teams are eligible to compete to a certain degree. I want a complete new structure with both league and cship in their present forms scrapped scrapped and the AI Football Cship to become a tiered round robin type system leading to a knockout AI series, and btw im not against the lesser teams being allowed enter provided they play off to allow the best of them to come through, eg like happens in the Champions League or Europa league

    Cup competitions aren't tiered, we've been over this. If you're so bothered by copying other countries then surely our cup competition should remain the same?
    A structural change should be discussed, other than that it's clear that we need to look at the counties with questionable financial records before we dump other counties because they are seen as an inconvenience.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    It's a pity this thread has gone to the dogs thanks to the posts of a single poster.

    Apologies. I should know better at this stage. :o


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