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VW ID.3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    VW selling ID.3 for under 30k from 1st October in Germany

    why would it matter to Irish Customers? Because it is for orders in 2025 to reduce fleet co2 reductions europe wide so they will probably offer similar pricing in Ireland. Their backs are against the wall with CO2 figures and can't sell ICE cars without selling Electric powered cars unless they wish to pay big CO2 fines.

    If the ID.3 is within spitting distance of the price of an MG4 or ByD Dolphin the ID.3 will always be the better purchase especially as it is a much better car now than it was in 2021. The software and materials are better.

    Order your 251 plate ID.3 now!!!

    https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/niedersachsen/wolfsburg/article407336822/preishammer-von-vw-der-id3-kostet-bald-unter-30000-euro.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Test post to see if the thread will work now

    EDIT: Worked

    So it looks like in terms of spec the GTX is somewhat basic, biggest difference to the Pro is the extra power

    The Pro Performance is more like the Pro Plus in terms of spec

    This probably explains why they're a lot closer in price than expected

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭fits


    the mystery of disappearing posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    EDIT: ignore me

    Post edited by the_amazing_raisin on

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Is there any truth to this? It would mean a haircut of approx 10k on the price of the base model no? Sounds too good to be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Different incentives and VRT? As I recall the threshold for their incentives is much lower now, below £30k maybe?

    If it does go through then the GTX Pro Performance looks like a pretty good deal for the bigger battery and extra power, plus the added comforts

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Worth saying the base model in Germany is the 52kWh Pure which isn't available yet here

    Another consideration is that the EV sales drop in Germany has been somewhat compensated by increasing sales across Europe, overall sales are down 5% but something like 25% in Germany

    Obviously with Germany being a key market for VW they're eager to sell cars there even if that means taking a hit on the profit margin

    So while I wouldn't be surprised if there's no sub €30k model here, we might be getting one for just over €30k if the Pure arrives here

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Real shame there's no 58kWh GTX/VZ or whatever the current battery size is, I don't need 79kWh for my 28km commute and the extra ~100-150kg will just hurt the handling...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's down to the discharge rate, 240kW is about a 3C discharge rate for a 79kWh battery which is the limit for most current batteries

    Same power from the 59kWh battery would be 4C which is pushing the limits a bit if you want to avoid accelerated degradation

    I think the Pro can be upgraded to 170kW after purchase, there's a warning in the configuration that the certificate of conformity lists the higher output

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    cupra born is 170kw/231ps with mid sized battery

    These cars are much more capable than when first released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    Thinking about trading a 1st ID3 202 reg for a GTX 286hp. What the groups thoughts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    trim level on GTX was fairly spartan when I looked at it but that is another country website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Would you not consider a low mileage used ID.4 GTX instead ? Some of them are keenly priced at the minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭fafy


    If you need the extra power,

    its an extra €1,745 to upgrade to the GTX Performance, and probably worth the extra, it has quite a bit of extra kit, the GTX basic model is quite spartan as has been said, has the Matrix Lights, but missing a few comforts like rear view camera, parking assistance, Harmon Kardon sound system (described as Beats system in the vehicle configurator), and a few other bits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    I noticed that, I'm happy with the base GTX getting a good price for my 1st but I am unsure the pricing of the GTX is incorrect compared to other countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Well it’s €39k before options here, £46k in the UK before options, and €48,250 in Germany before options.
    Red paint in Germany is a €960 option.
    In the UK it costs £885.
    In Ireland, it only costs €339.
    That’s not normal.


    If you still need to be convinced, I can’t do anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Luna84


    I agree there is something very odd about the Irish prices. Go on any car manufacturers(all not just VW) Irish website and then UK or Germany or Spain and every time Ireland pays way more than any other country. So something not right about Irish prices on a new more powerful model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Base GTX would be lower spec than the 1st I think?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm convinced that someone in VW Ireland is about to lose their job

    It must be a glitch, but if a few folks get orders in before VW fixes it then good for them

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    That's what I am thinking, hopefully I will get my order in before it gets fixed and they honour the price. Main thing is the bigger battery and matrix lights over my basic 1st



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I doubt anyone would lose their job, every single time new pricing comes in for January/July there's always differences between the pricelist and configurator, the configurator doesn't work properly, price list is inconsistent etc. I could understand if it was a dealer getting it wrong but the fact VW Ireland clearly never proof read their stuff is bonkers.

    We also always seem to be one of the last countries to have stuff live on the configurator, to get prices or to just have cars to test in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    Placed order today for a GTX, no extras. Got a very hood price for my 1st. Hopefully the strangely well priced car stays the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'll be honest I wouldn't be surprised if VW Ireland didn't know how many wheels the car had

    Don't get me wrong, I love my ID.4 and I'm trying to persuade the missus to get an ID.3

    But as a company VW Ireland, and all their dealerships are absolute morons

    EDIT: Okay I'll refine that, all the Joe Duffy dealerships are morons, haven't heard anything good about Frank Keane either.

    Outside Dublin seems better, dealerships can tell the front end of a car from the back end

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Soarer


    @Liam2021 Fair play. What timeline did they give?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    Should have it first few days of January. Loved my 1st never had any issues so hopefully this will be as good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Ignore

    Post edited by Soarer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    Ha ha, one of the dealerships wanted to hire me yesterday as I knew more about the car then the sales person. Dealership as mentioned above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Did you request that date, or that’s what was given?

    Did you option anything?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    Requested the early January date. Spent a lot of time looking at option packs but decided that I was happy to add none. Only thing extra is the mats but the garage is paying for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭fits


    try wexford Volkswagen. We came across a brilliant salesperson there recently. Really knew her stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭jogdish


    Starting to do window shopping, was curious is anyone here has experience of the following perks , have a 221 ID3 Family, lane assist/rear camera/keyless unlock/matrix headlights are my really liked features. Anything else anyone finds amazing and 'worth it' ?
    1) Area view, parking assist ?

    2) (I forget the name) The fancy travel assist, i.e one up from lane assist.

    3) Lumbar support

    4) 'Discover Pro' navigation ? is this more than what my ID3 has ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,587 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    1, 2 & 3 are excellent. I only have area view though, not parking assist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Agree with this, the area view is dead handy when parking. The biggest issue is remembering you aren't playing some flash game and the stake for game over are a bit higher

    Travel Assist is brilliant for long motorway drives. Not really able to handle country roads but since most long journeys consist of both road types it'll take the work out for a big chunk. It's also good for traffic jams, can set a low speed and it'll start and stop with the car in front. ACC does that to but you need to handle the steering

    Lumbar support is good if you need it, but pointless otherwise

    Discover Pro is just the maps I think, can't remember exactly. As I recall it means you get the map updates included and don't need to pay a seperate subscription

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭jogdish


    I'm really confused about what 'travel assist' does in addition to lane keeping. I've searched for videos online but it just talks about ACC / lane assist and road sign detection etc which I already seem to have in id3.

    Paying for subscription maps ? Never heard of this, is the map thing now a subscription ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Okay so lane keeping stops you leaving the lane unintentionally, but doesn't do anything to follow the lane

    So if you came to a bend and didn't steer (don't try this) the lane keeping would intervene when you got too close to the lines and steer to keep you on the line

    But it's a safety system rather than a driving aid, if you tried to use it like an autopilot you'd end up ping ponging around the lane with the car screaming alerts at you

    Travel Assist is much more of a driver aid, it'll proactively steer to maintain the position within the lane. Basically on a motorway, it'll follow the motorway around bends and such. Combined with ACC it'll also match speed with the car in front

    In general Travel Assist seems to try and maintain the lane position from when it was started, if you're slightly to the right or left then you'll stay there. This is in contrast to Tesla Autopilot which will try to stick rigidly to the centre of the lane. Sometimes on suboptimal Irish roads it can be better to be slightly off centre I find

    It can also do other things, like if it sees a bend ahead it might slow down to safely take the bend. The newer cars can also do lane changes to overtake, although you have to give it the okay first

    It's important to remember that it isn't autonomous driving. For example if you're coming to your exit Travel Assist won't exit the motorway for you, you need to switch it off and do that yourself

    One other thing to remember is that the thing can't see traffic jams in the distance. If you're doing the famous M7 120 to 0 sudden traffic then you'll want to take over and brake earlier, otherwise the car might leave it to the last moment

    Another thing I've noticed is that the Lane keeping (Lane Assist) seems a lot better in cars with Travel Assist. Just noticed that the posters here who have it don't complain about the lane warning beeping nearly as much

    Regarding the subscription thing, VW (and others) have been trying to sell customers on monthly subscriptions for years now. Unsurprisingly, no-one goes for it so they tend to end up just including the add on packages as standard

    If the cars were significantly cheaper without the subscription then it might be worthwhile, but it's still a €35-40k car at the end of the day. Asking for €30 per month or something on top is a bit much

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭jogdish


    @the_amazing_raisin perfect, thanks for that. I have used lane assist only to ping pong around on an empty motorway. It's almost like VW have a lovely price ladder im tempted to climb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    Is it just me or does the online configurator not allow you to choose option packages?

    If not, what’s the point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It should be at the end, but I think some of the packages don't always show up for some reason

    At the end of the day the configuration is only an indicator of price, not an actual order

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Well folks, options for the ID.3.

    Panoramic roof. Assume it’s fixed. Much point? Driver probably doesn’t get much benefit?

    Heat pump? How much more efficient is it compared to “normal” heating?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Can't comment on the heat pump but I've the panoramic roof on my ID.4

    You're correct, it doesn't open so you can't stick your head out the top unfortunately

    Admittedly you don't get the full effect up the front, but it does open the car up a lot and make it a much brighter space

    On the flip side, it can get very bright and warm in the car so you might find yourself using the sun shade. This is particularly true if you've kids as they'll probably moan about the sun in their eyes

    At the end of the day it's a luxury, doesn't functionally improve the car. At €1700 or so it's up to you whether it's worth it. Personally I'd go for it again, but I'd probably drink a few whiskeys afterwards to help forget how much it cost

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I wouldn’t bother with either. Would go for other options first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Only other options are Bicycle Carrier Preparation and Type 2 Charging Cable.

    Slim pickings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭fits


    which version are you getting? It has matrix lights. HUD travel assist etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    I deliberately chose not to get a model with the panoramic roof on our MY22. Most of them had it standard at the time. Just seemed like something likely to decrease the solidity of the car. Also heard reports of squeaks. Plus my bald head doesn’t like the sun. 😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    VW Ireland have updated the ID.3 brochure. The first one was dated 1/10/24 and the new one is 3/10/24. The new one adds two "Pure" models, with the lowest-priced one selling for €33K.

    The GTX prices remain as they were.😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    Good news about the gtx, I have a build week of 47



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    which trim level of 1st do you have and what value did they give for it?



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