Who has right of way here?

TK Lemon

This is a road Mr. Lemon and I frequently travel on and it's always chaos and a pinch point.

Both vehicles are turning from a minor road into a bigger road, so both should yield to traffic already on it.

There is often a situation where both cars (A and reach the point at the same time and there is a symphony of car horns and gestures out the window.

Who has right of way?

TK Lemon

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colm_mcm

Car B

Atlantic Dawn

Car B has right of way.

HeidiHeidi

The car turning right should yield to the car turning left.

Both should yield to traffic on the main road.

amcalester

Car B.

bucketybuck

I don't actually know, but my first thought is that car B has to give way to vehicles coming on its right, and that car A is most certainly approaching car B on its right. Car B should give way to Car A.

Alanstrainor

This is an interesting one, and I'd tend to agree with a lot of people here and say car B. But it's more about who moves first, if car A has proceeded out onto the main road then car B must yield, as they would for anyone who is already on the main road.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Car B. Even if you were there first. It’s car B.

luketitz

Yeah B has right of way eveey time as they don't have to cross the median line

easyeddie

Yes, its B. From the rules of the road:
If you plan to turn right at a junction and a vehicle from the opposite direction wants to turn into the same road, the vehicle that is turning left has right of way. If yours is the vehicle turning right, you must wait for the other vehicle to turn frst.

mikeecho

Car B has right of way over car A.

Both A&B must (obviously) yield to traffic on the main rd.

mikeecho

Alanstrainor wrote: »

This is an interesting one, and I'd tend to agree with a lot of people here and say car B. But it's more about who moves first, if car A has proceeded out onto the main road then car B must yield, as they would for anyone who is already on the main road.

OP has stated that both cars arrive at junction at same time.. thus B has right of way.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

OP did you think car A has the right of way? Might explain the beeping and wtf looks you’re getting.

Wishbone Ash

I used to live in an area where I was car B several times a day. It was never an issue as such but what used to irk me when most of the car A drivers would gesture for me to continue like they were doing me a favour.

I used to shout inside my head "I have the fucking right of way you idiot".

Dakota Dan

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I used to live in an area where I was car B several times a day. It was never an issue as such but what used to irk me when most of the car A drivers would gesture for me to continue like they were doing me a favour.

I used to shout inside my head "I have the fucking right of way you idiot".

They are the clowns that make up their own rules of the road. On a YouTube video a car drove out in front of a land rover already on the roundabout. The amount of clowns in the comments that thought the car driver was right because he was able to get in front of the Land Rover, totally ignoring the rules of the road that says you give way to traffic already on the roundabout coming from your right.

johndaman66

This is interesting. I would agree with the general consensus that Car B has the right of way in this scenario.

But what if in a scenario if Car B is turning to their right onto the main road and crossing the median line also and Car A is also turning to their right as per the drawing and crossing the median line? The cars arrive at the junction at approximately the same time and effectively want to cross each others path and travel in opposite directions...who has the right of way in that situation? A few people have mentioned to me in the past that would have to be a gentlemans agreement but problem is not everyone on the road is a gentleman

GM228

johndaman66 wrote: »

This is interesting. I would agree with the general consensus that Car B has the right of way in this scenario.

But what if in a scenario if Car B is turning to their right onto the main road and crossing the median line also and Car A is also turning to their right as per the drawing and crossing the median line? The cars arrive at the junction at approximately the same time and effectively want to cross each others path and travel in opposite directions...who has the right of way in that situation? A few people have mentioned to me in the past that would have to be a gentlemans agreement but problem is not everyone on the road is a gentleman

In such a case whoever actually commences the turn first has right of way.

If both happen to make the turn at the exact same time there are no yielding right of way rules to cover the scenario, you make a judgement call.

GM228

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Car B. Even if you were there first. It’s car B.

Not necessarily, as Alanstrainor stated it depends on who commences their turn first, even if B you must yield right of way when approaching a junction to any vehicle which has already commenced it's turn.

johndaman66

GM228 wrote: »

In such a case whoever actually commences the turn first has right of way.

If both happen to make the turn at the exact same time there are no yielding right of way rules to cover the scenario, you make a judgement call.

This is the problem really - Who is to say one commences the turn before the other? One say actually starts to move before the other but moves off more slowly...what then?... I have often seen that it is a very real every day situation that seems to cause confusion. If there was a smack I think it would most likely be a situation similar to a smack on a narrow local road with no road markings...ones word against the other with both needing to shell out for their own repairs in reality.

wonski

GM228 wrote: »

In such a case whoever actually commences the turn first has right of way.

If both happen to make the turn at the exact same time there are no yielding right of way rules to cover the scenario, you make a judgement call.

Alternatively they can take their turns without having to yield to each other if both are turning right

You don't have to go right to the middle of the roadmto do this turn. Both can turn right without any issues at the same time.

endacl

I’d wave ‘em on. Life’s too short...

Cookie_Monster

johndaman66 wrote: »

But what if in a scenario if Car B is turning to their right onto the main road and crossing the median line also and Car A is also turning to their right as per the drawing and crossing the median line?

but there is no issue here as they both just turn across each other without any impact on the other.

alfa beta

Saying Car B has right of way seems to be general consensus. And I'd go along with that.

Just wondering what if there's a queue of 'Car B's joining the main road. Does that mean CAR A has to give way to all the CAR B's - or is CAR A entitled to pull out between the CAR Bs (assuming main rd is clear.)

Mini roundabout called for imo!!!

amcalester

alfa beta wrote: »

Saying Car B has right of way seems to be general consensus. And I'd go along with that.

Just wondering what if there's a queue of 'Car B's joining the main road. Does that mean CAR A has to give way to all the CAR B's - or is CAR A entitled to pull out between the CAR Bs (assuming main rd is clear.)

Mini roundabout called for imo!!!

Staggered junction would be better, keeps traffic flowing on the main road.

IrishHomer

I live in a rural town with a junction same and none of locals know who has right of way. Local council have now decided to put lights on it shortly even though they put lights on another junction 200m away.

Separate issue pedestrians down here all walk on wrong side of the road. None of young generation seem know any basic road rules.

When I was a kid in the 70s TV was full of entertaining road safety ads.

kaahooters

car B has right of way (turning to its left with traffic flow), for turning as pictured as it docent cross traffic.

if car A is going its left(with traffic flow), and car b is going to its right(crossing traffic), to end up in the reverse situation, car A(with traffic flow) has right of was as its not crossing traffic..

if car b is going to its right (crossing traffic ) and car a is going to the right, they should both proceed to the middle of the road, and pass either infront, or behind each-other not obstructing traffic. shared right of way

Wishbone Ash

As the OP hasn't responded, I'm assuming that they were in Car A and not abiding by normal traffic regulations.

stefanovich

mikeecho wrote: »

OP has stated that both cars arrive at junction at same time.. thus B has right of way.

Nothing to do with when you arrive at the junction.

TK Lemon

We’re car A and car B at different times.

We generally just yield to avoid confrontation because cars barge out from both sides, regardless of right of way.

Isambard

if car b in the op were going straight on , he'd have right of way. Why would that change because he is actually turning left? Indicators are just an indication of intention.

johndaman66

wonski wrote: »

Alternatively they can take their turns without having to yield to each other if both are turning right

You don't have to go right to the middle of the roadmto do this turn. Both can turn right without any issues at the same time.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but there is no issue here as they both just turn across each other without any impact on the other.

Theoretically this situation should not cause a problem but in practice in real life situations I see pretty much every day I'm on the road that it does. In particular if the vehicles are larger or overall space is at a premium at the junction of the road. The vehicles would simply have to cross into each others paths at some point.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

If you think Car A has the right of way, redo your test please.

alfa beta

alfa beta wrote: »

Saying Car B has right of way seems to be general consensus. And I'd go along with that.

Just wondering what if there's a queue of 'Car B's joining the main road. Does that mean CAR A has to give way to all the CAR B's - or is CAR A entitled to pull out between the CAR Bs (assuming main rd is clear.)

Mini roundabout called for imo!!!

I have this scenario every day at Bluebell LUAS stop and I'd be car A. I always yield but will go for the turn when there's a small break in the B's.

lawred2

TK Lemon wrote: »

This is a road Mr. Lemon and I frequently travel on and it's always chaos and a pinch point.

Both vehicles are turning from a minor road into a bigger road, so both should yield to traffic already on it.

There is often a situation where both cars (A and reach the point at the same time and there is a symphony of car horns and gestures out the window.

Who has right of way?

Car B.

Obviously.

Worrying that there would be even a question over this.

lawred2

Isambard wrote: »

if car b in the op were going straight on , he'd have right of way. Why would that change because he is actually turning left? Indicators are just an indication of intention.

If that car was turning left - it would be an entirely different scenario unrelated to the OP

OEP

I failed my test by being Car A! Grade 3 as well, so automatic fail - there's absolutely no discussion on this, it's Car B every time.

Isambard

lawred2 wrote: »

If that car was turning left - it would be an entirely different scenario unrelated to the OP

car b is turning left in the OP

lawred2

Isambard wrote: »

car b is turning left in the OP

ooops sorry - not sure where my brain went there

biko

TK Lemon wrote: »

Who has right of way?

Which one is a BMW?

creedp

Dakota Dan wrote: »

They are the clowns that make up their own rules of the road. On a YouTube video a car drove out in front of a land rover already on the roundabout. The amount of clowns in the comments that thought the car driver was right because he was able to get in front of the Land Rover, totally ignoring the rules of the road that says you give way to traffic already on the roundabout coming from your right.

While this is obviously technically correct for me it would depend on how far away the car already on the roundabout is from my exit. If I can safely exit in front of the car already on the roundabout I will as otherwise I'm just contributing to the already epidemic level of people unable to make progress where they don't have a green light to hold their hand

granturismo

Isambard wrote: »

if car b in the op were going straight on , he'd have right of way. Why would that change because he is actually turning left? Indicators are just an indication of intention.

Genuine question - can you reference why car B going straight across from one minor road to another minor road, has right of way over Car A turning right from a minor road onto a major road.

I've had a quick search and cant find the answer.

accensi0n

granturismo wrote: »

Genuine question - can you reference why car B going straight across from one minor road to another minor road, has right of way over Car A turning right from a minor road onto a major road.

I've had a quick search and cant find the answer.

Give way to on-coming traffic?

CiniO

GM228 wrote: »

Not necessarily, as Alanstrainor stated it depends on who commences their turn first, even if B you must yield right of way when approaching a junction to any vehicle which has already commenced it's turn.

While I don't dispute that fact and I'm 100% certain you are correct here, but it sounds silly to me.
There are laws saying car B has right of way as he is turning left while car A is turning right onto the same road.
On the other hand there are rules saying that car B needs to give way to car A provided he is already on a junction and proceeded to turn...

In my opinion that creates unnecessary doubt for driver B when to treat car A as being already on a junction.

Does the same rules apply in UK?

AFAIK rules on the continent doest contain that condition of being already on a junction, so in case of car A turning, if he sees car B approaching even 200 metres away but at speed, he still should yield even if he is already on a junction.

Tacitus Kilgore

Car B -


I am 'car b' 4 times a day and can say from my experience - not many people get it or understand at all, particularly the 90% of angry car A drivers that I meet and "pull out in front of"

lawred2

CiniO wrote: »

While I don't dispute that fact and I'm 100% certain you are correct here, but it sounds silly to me.
There are laws saying car B has right of way as he is turning left while car A is turning right onto the same road.
On the other hand there are rules saying that car B needs to give way to car A provided he is already on a junction and proceeded to turn...

In my opinion that creates unnecessary doubt for driver B when to treat car A as being already on a junction.

Does the same rules apply in UK?

AFAIK rules on the continent doest contain that condition of being already on a junction, so in case of car A turning, if he sees car B approaching even 200 metres away but at speed, he still should yield even if he is already on a junction.

urm it's common sense - you don't have right of way after the other car has already begun turning on to the road.. it's not exactly something you can reassert

km991148

One I find strange.. several places on Pearse st (and similar places around Dublin) have traffic light controlled junctions that throw two lanes of traffic into a merge at the one go.

First time you encounter this weirdness it can be a bit hairy, especially if you planned on crossing to the opposite side of the road (i.e. from RH entry to LH lane). (Pearse is one way in many places).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/53.3435273,-6.2463185/53.3435712,-6.2465185/@53.3436529,-6.2469557,19.71z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0

68 lost souls

granturismo wrote: »

Genuine question - can you reference why car B going straight across from one minor road to another minor road, has right of way over Car A turning right from a minor road onto a major road.

I've had a quick search and cant find the answer.

Car B would not be turning in that case they are continuing i the carriage they are in. car A would be crossing into a different lane and therefore B has right of way.

CiniO

lawred2 wrote: »

urm it's common sense - you don't have right of way after the other car has already begun turning on to the road.. it's not exactly something you can reassert

But that gives a sense of entitlement to car which is turning .
F.e. driver turning right on a junction sees a car oncoming at speed but still proceeds to turn knowing that oncoming car will need to hit the brakes, but just thinking that by the time oncoming car reaches the junction he'll be in the middle of the turn therefore having right of way to car which just reached the junction.

Imo it's unnecessary complication of simple rule.

granturismo

68 lost souls wrote: »

Car B would not be turning in that case they are continuing i the carriage they are in. car A would be crossing into a different lane and therefore B has right of way.

If Car A is turning right from a minor road onto a major road, does it not have right of way as Car B is going straight across the junction but from a minor road to a minor road? If anyone has a reference as to whether this is correct or incorrect, I'd be grateful.

wonski

CiniO wrote: »

But that gives a sense of entitlement to car which is turning .
F.e. driver turning right on a junction sees a car oncoming at speed but still proceeds to turn knowing that oncoming car will need to hit the brakes, but just thinking that by the time oncoming car reaches the junction he'll be in the middle of the turn therefore having right of way to car which just reached the junction.

Imo it's unnecessary complication of simple rule.

That's why you slow down and sometimes stop when crossing the junction. There are stop signs often, too.

Not sure what your issue is there. If the car is incoming at a speed as you describe then just wait for it to do its thing.

Same with indicators. Don't trust it 100% so you need to adjust your actions.

It's not always about who is right and who is wrong. Sometimes you want to get from A to B without getting your bumper replaced.