If there was no religion's do you think there would have been less wars in history?

AMKC

Would WW1 or WW2 or any other major war in history have happened if there was no religion?

Would Adolf Hitler have murdered so many people if they were just people and not Jewish as well?

jam_mac_jam

They would just have found another reason to group like imperialism and nationalism which contributed to the first world war or political ideals like the second world war or fight over land and resources like all wars. Neither ww1 or ww2 had much to do with religion.

Your Face

No. We'd find another excuse.

Pauliedragon

Religion, skin colour or whatever else takes ur fancy us humans just like to beat the **** out of each other for no particular reason. I remember a cop saying to me years ago that we are pretty much the only beings on the planet that maim or kill for no apparent reason. The rest do it for food or territorial reasons. Religion is just another bullsh1t excuse.

Capt'n Midnight

Hong Xiuquan claimed to be the brother of Jesus.

And of all humans alive at the time one in forty died.

Rubberchikken

no. humans fight just for the sake of it at time.

TheValeyard

AMKC wrote: »

Would WW1 or WW2 or any other major war in history have happened if there was no religion?

Well.... religion was not the main drive behind these wars.

suicide_circus

No. Wars are tribal. Fighting for control and resources. Religion can be a trigger but if it wasnt religion it would be something else.

punisher5112

Wars are driven by greed essentially....

Why do people attack and kill others over money in civilisation!!!

Bullies feeding on insecurity etc etc.

Greedy fcuks....

Franz Von Peppercorn

AMKC wrote: »

Would WW1 or WW2 or any other major war in history have happened if there was no religion?

Would Adolf Hitler have murdered so many people if they were just people and not Jewish as well?

Blaming the jews are we?

Hitler was a racist ethno-nationalist, an idea that came in fact from a perverted form of science.

Very few wars are solely down to religion, or difference of religion.

kowloon

Nah, we would just use something other than religion to excuse fighting over resources.

shamrock55

I'm convinced religion is a major cause in Alot of wars or troubles in the world

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Blaming the jews are we?

Eh wtf?

whisky_galore

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Religion, skin colour or whatever else takes ur fancy us humans just like to beat the **** out of each other for no particular reason. I remember a cop saying to me years ago that we are pretty much the only beings on the planet that maim or kill for no apparent reason. The rest do it for food or territorial reasons. Religion is just another bullsh1t excuse.

Animals can be cnuts for no reason, killing not for food or any other gain, but for kicks.
Nature sure as sh1t isn't a Walt Disney production.

BeerWolf

Religion was used as an excuse/tool for ulterior motives...

DEFTLEFTHAND

No, base instinct and human nature.

We're tribal creatures, like all mammal species.

mikemac2

You didn’t need to be a religious dissident to get thrown into a Soviet gulag.

Though recently Russia jailed a Danish Jehovah Witness chap which is bizarre as they are zero political threat. They don’t take sides, they don’t even vote!

kowloon

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No, base instinct and human nature.

We're tribal creatures, like all mammal species.

Leopards are pretty solitary, so are Polar bears.

I'm not sure about there being less wars, but there certainly would have been fewer. The intensity and endurance of many wars would undoubtedly have been less as religious conviction gave a sharper edge to many fighters. Nevertheless, the vast majority of so-called religious wars were wars of economic and political rivalry first and foremost.

ESMITH29

Religions provided a sense of purpose and structure to society for a lot of regions, it could've had the opposite effect but who knows.

VicMackey1

whisky_galore wrote: »

Animals can be cnuts for no reason, killing not for food or any other gain, but for kicks.
Nature sure as sh1t isn't a Walt Disney production.

I agree! Just look at a cat when it catches a mouse. They're sadastic littlle b"stards, toying with their half-dead catch for no apparent reason!

WARNING: Splash kills cute mouse after 5 minutes of dicking about!

jay1988

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Blaming the jews are we?

Hitler was a racist ethno-nationalist, an idea that came in fact from a perverted form of science.

Very few wars are solely down to religion, or difference of religion.

Where on earth did you get that idea from?

frag420

Without religion there would have been no wars...





...until football was invented!

Noo

Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot managed to kill millions just fine without getting religion involved. It's a devotion to an ideology that makes your followers think they are right and you are wrong and worse than dog**** rather than religion per se that is the problem. Several examples of this the recent American presidential election from BOTH SIDES.

Franz Von Peppercorn

frag420 wrote: »

Without religion there would have been no wars...





...until football was invented!

There’s been only one football war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War

randd1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot managed to kill millions just fine without getting religion involved. It's a devotion to an ideology that makes your followers think they are right and you are wrong and worse than dog**** rather than religion per se that is the problem. Several examples of this the recent American presidential election from BOTH SIDES.

Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, and Hitler too for that matter, we’re the heads of state religions and near deified by their followers, much like Catholics and the Pope until recently.

Mrs OBumble

frag420 wrote: »

Without religion there would have been no wars...





...until football was invented!

Nah, if there was no religion there could be no football.

AMKC

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Blaming the jews are we?

Hitler was a racist ethno-nationalist, an idea that came in fact from a perverted form of science.

Very few wars are solely down to religion, or difference of religion.

Blaming the jews are we?

No I have nothing against any Jew or any one of any other religion unless they are with ISIS or something like that.

Blaming the jews are we?

Not at all but Adolf Hitler did and that was the reason he sent so many of them to the death camps.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AMKC wrote: »

Would WW1 or WW2 or any other major war in history have happened if there was no religion?

Would Adolf Hitler have murdered so many people if they were just people and not Jewish as well?

He did. A lot of the people carted off to death camps weren't Jewish - they were everythign from gay to mentally disabled to simply not productive his vision of the Ubermensch.

B.A._Baracus

I've often found athiest wan*ers are the ones who crap on about if there was no religion there'd be no wars.

Idiots. All idiots. People are evil. Not religion.

AMKC

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

He did. A lot of the people carted off to death camps weren't Jewish - they were everythign from gay to mentally disabled to simply not productive his vision of the Ubermensch.

Very true but it was Jews he blamed for the state of Germany more than anything else was it not?

Day Lewin

I dunno. Pol Pot? Stalin?

If men are ready to get aggressive they don't need religion to start them off: anything will do.

Examples: football club, skin colour, language, occupation, hairstyle, social status...in short, anything that can be imagined to threaten some kind of Tribal security (also imaginary, usually)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AMKC wrote: »

Very true but it was Jews he blamed for the state of Germany more than anything else was it not?

Not entirely. He garnered most of his early support from hatred of the Allies in WW1 based on the reperations that Germany was forced to pay.

In any case, I'd argue against WWII being religious on the basis that Hitler's own religion played little part of it: he was leading a nation fighting other nations based on politics and land boders, not on religion.

M5

Religion was and still is an tool used to divide people and justify wars.

Franz Von Peppercorn

randd1 wrote: »

Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, and Hitler too for that matter, we’re the heads of state religions and near deified by their followers, much like Catholics and the Pope until recently.

All of that is nonsense. The pope is head of the church but it’s not a state church outside the Vatican (it might have a preferred status is some countries but the pope isn’t head of state there).

The Queen is head of state and church though.

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler were atheists.

randd1

randd1 wrote: »

Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, and Hitler too for that matter, we’re the heads of state religions and near deified by their followers, much like Catholics and the Pope until recently.

I only left out Hitler as the Nazis tolerated Christian religion.

Ipso

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

All of that is nonsense. The pope is head of the church but it’s not a state church outside the Vatican (it might have a preferred status is some countries but the pope isn’t head of state there).

The Queen is head of state and church though.

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler were atheists.

Was Hitler an atheist?

Annd9

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

There’s been only one football war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War

One a bit closer to home https://youtu.be/AFGI7m7_SMM.
Another example of a war that had all the ingredients of conflict , Nationalism , territorial disputes and religion .