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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,305 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus


    nope nothing that subtle, look at the 4 marker!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    I think Zenith first screwed the pooch a few years ago now when in the middle of a year without new models they overnight upped their prices and by a fair bit. All the 'luxury' Swiss brands have increased their prices, but they did it steadily over time, slowly enough to not put off the consumer base. Zenith did it too openly and quickly.

    Their other problem is that their deep history is very much of the early part of the 20th century and post WW2 they were pretty invisible with very few known models to reference for marketing. The Defy was one. They had chronograph history too, but again couldn't capitalise on it. When they 'did a Longines' with their Zenith Extra Specials they made them too blood big just as too bloody big was going out of fashion. If Longines did the same with their version of the 1930's Pilot pattern they'd make it look the same, not far off the same size and add a date.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    I stared and stared and was wondering WTF is Cy on about.😁 And then it hit me. 😲 Hoooooly feck. T'is backwards! And the C in second is fecked and the chrono hand doesn't line up. How much is that watch? Not cheap I'd imagine.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,305 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Ten grand? Ah jaysus. I'd not be a happy camper with that. If I was looking at it in a shop up close I'd reckon it was used or something was up. The fecked text in the bezel but especially the chrono hand. If I then spotted the four marker...

    I wonder are they being faked in finest chinesium? I might have a look and see if the dodgy ones have better finishing. 😁 That's really bad if it's the press example. Press examples of anything are usually tweaked to be the best. If they look that shoddy with the press one...

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭ njburke


    It's a fun game though, spot the QA issues.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭ CalamariFritti


    Caribbean. If only they had.a spell checker.

    On the Zenith, that's actually shocking. For a press release of a 10k watch you'd think someone is in trouble.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    If that was seen on a press release of a 300 quid Seiko it would be very bad and there'd be scenes of hari kari in the boardroom. For 10k it's baffling that it wasn't spotted by the people working in Zenith.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    When you send the sad letter about the restructure, before they have finished the current job.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 57,814 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel



    The hara-kiri must have gone out of fashion in Japan otherwise the entire Toyota top would have gutted themselves by now. Self charging hybrids, hydrogen cars, LOL 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Show though how quickly they are trying to get watches out there to feed the hunger. Its not a bad looking watch at all bar the QC issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,864 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    Almost wonder if they do it intentionally it happens so often on press release models.

    Errors on Rolex dials have been infamous on occasions and cost a fortune to buy.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭ blue5000


    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,033 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    Borrowed the wife's ultrasonic cleaner today and gave my Seamster and Pro-master bracelets a blitz. Threw in the wedding ring too for good measure 😉

    I'm always surprised by just how much mank comes out when you use an Ultrasonic bath.

    Utterly manky but no it's time to but those 2 back on metal 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭ Blanchy90


    I've been meaning to get one of them forever, god knows what would come off some of the vintage watches in my collection 😬



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Trust me B. You want to remain in ignorance. 😮🤢😁

    Well after fiddling about with my heuer and its oddball 'waterproof' case I went down the rabbit hole looking into its origins.

    First off I found the patent for the 'waterproof' case design from 1935 I gather.

    You can see how i works from these pics of a Gallet chronograph.

    The main case and movement and crystal are in one peice and mounted into the case and held fast with screws.

    Note how the rear of the Heuer "Bund" is the same, only because it's a much larger watch(43mm) than the Gallet(35mm) scales are a little different.


    The first watch to use it was the Gallet Flight Officer chronograph Flight Officer chrono from 1938. The first 'waterproof' chronograph.

    Rotating bezel, chrono, timezones marked, dead cool. Issued in small numbers to the USAF and worn by President Truman. Their ads for the watch followed the time honoured option of stick it in a fish tank Ted.😁

    "Guaranteed WATERPROOF!" Also note the "Clamshell" thing. A suspiciously small step from "Oyster" ...

    So why did they go this route? Well screwbacks were already around for ages and worked fine for circular watches, but were about as much use as a chocolate fireguard for any other shape and chronographs were also problematic as they had recently gone two button and a crown. The 20's and 30's saw high popularity in tank style watches so this worked well for them and then Gallet adapted it to the chronos. It's more expensive to manufacture and the four screws have to be torqued down equally and well to seal, and they can back out too easily, so the case design didn't last much longer than the 1950's in common use. Except in the Leonidas Italian military issued watches.

    Which Heuer bought and copied lock stock and barrel(the case is slightly different, but everything else is interchangable).

    So an archaic case design unchanged from the 1930's lasted until the 80's in common military use and hung on in very specialised areas and is still on the stock list for some specialised areas today. Interestingly the bundeswehr spec called for 3 bar water resistance, but the case design surpassed that.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    I thought this was a joke when it came up on youtube,


    But no, it's a real thing. How much of a lazy barsteward and a gullible one at that would you need to be?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ micks_address


    Had a spin up to Belfast today. Tried on a nice jlc in pride and pinion. Impressive watch.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 57,814 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    What else did you try on Mick and do tell us a bit more about your experience in there 😂


    And what JLC was that, perhaps a certain model Reverso that has been pictured in this forum before 😉



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    I have seen these tools before from ALS for their 30 day reserve watches, the torque required and the ammount of winding make some sense there, but on a regular watch it seem a little excessive....but look the Hodinkee travel clock sold



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    True dat and that was the epitome of low quality tat.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    The trials have an interesting history alright. Most of the big brands competed hard to win as it was good marketing. For most of it Zenith, Longines and Omega made it a three horse race. Longines won the most, though oddly were the least likely to sell official chronometer dialled watches. They did use the tagline "the world's most honoured watch" as part of their marketing speil. Brands like Movado could stand out too. Brands like Patek and AP didn't figure, neither did Rolex. Even though Hans Wilsdorf put forward the first wristwatch movement for chronometer rating, it seems they didn't see the marketing value after that. To be fair it required the deep pockets of very big companies so you'd want to see the cost/benefit.

    Later on Seiko came along o try and gain traction outside of Japan and started to upset the Swiss. Them and Girard Perregaux with their high beat calibre were pretty much the last men standing with mechanical chronometers, as by the mid 60's the Swiss were entering prototype quartz calibres, which they were very proud of. In the last trial the only mechanicals in the top ten were GP with Seiko ahead of them. The most accurate mechanical watch in the Swiss trial's history competing with the latest tech was a Japanese brand. So the Swiss got the hump, closed the trials and took their ball back. 😁 There's talk of them starting up again, but not open to non Swiss competitors, of course...

    That Seiko and the GP were the only two watches that were entitled to print "astronomical observatory chronometer, officially certified" on their dials. That was another difference; only GP and Seiko sold watches fitted with the chronometer trial movements. You could actually walk in off the street and buy one(by selling a kidney). You couldn't in the case of Longines, Omega, Zenith et al. You could buy the base calibres alright, but not the fettled to within a micron chronometer movements.

    The wider observatory rating were much tougher than the old COSC chronometer rating. For a start they included the whole watch, not just bare movements and went on for much longer and subjected the watches to wider temps and vibration. To get more marketing behind the new quartz Girard Perregaux put their 350 series through those tests and passed, though as far as I know never put that on the dials. Probably added too much to the cost and retail price.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ micks_address


    Yes I think it's a certain boardsies jlc. Very impressive on the wrist. Didn't do a lot more as was up with a mate. We did look in McNeely's and they had a Tiffany dial oyster which they said is ridiculous..4k watch listed at over 20k.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,305 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus


    now that is a nonsense, its not even a tiffany watch

    that said Unkel was right about those!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Reversos are a very nice watch indeed.

    While they always added a premium, the Tiffany dial thing has gone nuts of late, that six and a half million quid auction/money laundering/dubious sale has egged it on even more.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,033 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    Have quite a bit of US TV on at the moment and as I think I've mentioned before? The ad breaks are interesting. Prescription meds, Medi-care part B&C agents, cars and reams of mortgage and refi ads with veteran discounts 😉

    Anyway over the last week or so, MVMT that watch brand beloved 😛 by many are really pushing themselves as a luxury brand with US origins 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭ njburke


    The trials must have been good craic all the same unless those working in the watch industry are particularly stiff. That Jean Claude Bivier guy looks to be a live one though. I suppose that Japs would come over and photograph everything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    If its the grand date reverso up there, thats my watch on consignment.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Those tiffany 41mm have been very volitile. P&P had a instagram post about them there were dealer buys at over 50k sterline in december in they are back down to about 22k sterling now, so a few people upside-down AF in them. If you had one at retail you are quids in though...unkle called it, and I still cannot believe it. Do these people not have eyes they are not a nice colour.



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