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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Have a deal done on an Omega 2535.80 buying from Germany on Chrono24. Full kit with a recent service at €3150 with a warranty.

    I had been looking at Japanese and US watches but the VAT brought them past anything available in the EU.

    If anyone here has a blue rubber Aquaterra strap they want shot of? Let me know. I want to try it out on the GMT 😉

    Edit

    I actually completely forgot about my 3% cashback! Bonus for me and €94.5 in CRO back my way 😁 My wife has threatened to put it away until Xmas tho 😲

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  • That dial is a cracking find IP. 👍🏻🙂

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.





  • Does anyone here have a black bay 58 ? I’m considering picking one up but see a lot of people seem to move them very quick so looking for some real world ownership opinions as opposed to the bark and jack “best watch in the world “ reviews that YouTube is full of





  • It's ok, nice watch ruined by the bracelet for me personally.



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  • I have one. I'm not a fan of the bracelet either, so i have both the leather and the Nato style strap. Its my day to day watch i'd wear when i'm not off. It's comfortable, fairly classically styled so you can dress it up or down, has stood up to scratches remarkably well, and the build quality is very solid on it. What it isn't is very interesting, but it's not trying to be either. Happy to show you mine if you're around Dublin.





  • sorry one other thing id add, i cant think of a scenario where if i had a sub and a BB58 that i would pick the BB save for the fact i owned it and felt guilty about not wearing, i know you have a sub (or two), i think you will be underwhelmed.





  • i have only handled in an AD briefly but also had the “nice solid watch but Meh it ain’t gonna budge another watch off my wrist” feeling.


    But in a world where a speedmaster is 4K plus etc and a sub is above retail then the bb58 at 2600 ish second hand is exceptional value.





  • That’s very decent of you , thank you @Time If I decide to move on one I’ll take you up on your offer before purchasing.





  • Yes , I’m not sure how much wear it would get but as @893bet says they seem great value for money.

    I have a Tudor gmt which is a good solid watch and is pushing me towards another Tudor.Also like the idea of a smaller 39mm watch .



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  • Looks like we have a speculator in Cork, bought a couple of Mings (think mingers is the plural?) and flogging them over retail. He will probably get somebody to buy them too, market dysfunction continues.

    https://www.adverts.ie/dress/ming-27-01-dress-watch/25476095







  • I like the 27.01





  • I have still not decided if Gringa is the most annoying watch YouTuber…..or the most annoying YouTuber in general. But I enjoyed the below a little.


    (wannabe indie crew here)







  • 'a little' pretty much sums her up for me. The concept is good but the execution just doesn't do it.





  • yeah the idea is good but it is a car crash attempt









  • Patek following Rolex LOL. I'm no fan of the Nautilus but that colour makes it kinda cool 😂





  • I think it looks hideous personally. Very cheap. Maybe it looks amazing in the flesh.





  • You said the same about the turquoise OP. And now look which is the most valuable colour of the lot? I guess the market disagrees with you!





  • Value doesn’t impact my likes or dislikes. Them OPs still look cheap. But there is no accounting for bad taste.

    My tastes are at odds to the majority of the market indeed.



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  • Looks a bit girlie.

    Love the language 'Patek gifting LVMH' .





  • Nautillus never looks that good in the metal. The green was a disappointment to its owners, the blue looks grey.







  • Bit of a flurry there, I didn't expect it to end with the Godman Osho.

    To add to above one of the reasons I think the vintage market has softened is the lack of competent watchmakers to service them.

    Anyway I'm doing a bit of web browsing on the Jaeger LeCoultre Master Quartz. I find this on the Hodinkee site

    "The caliber 352 features a quickset date wheel and a 32,768 Hz amplitude."

    So not only is there a lot of video from folks who don't know a whole lot about watches, some of them are writing it down.





  • Do NOT get me started Nj. 😡 No really... we'll be here all week. Well I will, you'll have drifted off into the land of nod two sentences in. and... he's gone... 😁

    Yep the servicing thing can be a real issue. Triply so with early quartz like the JLC. With those I always sourced a spare movement(whole watch) or two.

    I've a few of those Girard Perregaux 352/3/1's Got them when you could pick em up for buttons and could actually pick them up. These days they're either rarely seen or are at dealer prices. AKA daft.

    They're solid as feck movements. No jewels, instead use teflon bearings that never need lubrication. Actually a few of the ones I've gotten down the years were borked because a watchmaker oiled the bloody bearings. A clean out with pegwood and off they ran. The joke is the bits that are most likely to fail are the mechanical parts JLC developed with GP. The "quickset" date a weak part. It had some solid "lube for life" which wasn't, or later watchmakers fecked it. The leccy bits are very strong. It's got the finest(and priciest) stepping motor ever fitted to a quartz movement in my humble. None of this exposed coil bollocks. Second place for me would go to the Rolex Oysterquarz. Plus because GP set the frequency standard at 32,768 Hz that pretty much everyone else followed, if the quartz can goes kaput you can stick in a brand new one from ebay or wherever. They were also built in a modular more simple way so trad watchmakers in the early 70's would find them no bother to fix. The Beta 21 is a curse by comparison and the Longines UltraQuartz will induce nightmares and madness in most watchmakers. To illustrate; my one:

    The JLC Master Quartz is a gorgeous watch, particularly with the blue face. Serious heft to it and real quality in case and bracelet and dials. These were the latest thing, very labour intensive(hand cut and tuned natural quartz crystal for a start), top of the range and expensive watches when they came out so got the best of materials thrown at them. The Longines above even got insurance as part of the price. Around 700 quid when something like a Rolex Sub date was 200 and a Speedy was 180. One issue with the JLC can be the dial blue they used in all watches back then. It tends to flake with moisture. But a good one is a cracker.

    So when you wake up in the morning and read this... Actually don't, wait until tomorrow evening when you can sleep in peace. 😁

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.





  • It's not bedtime yet. I had a good stare at that ultra quartz, what I thought were links are the gold plated legs of through hole components. The hand soldered surface mount components are a horror. I was a design engineer on an automated optical inspection machine that inspected solder joints.

    Does that ultra quartz use a quartz to pump a mechanical resonater?

    Two items that are in the post to me at the moment ,the first is a second 9943-8000. Yes, I'll have twin twin quartz. I landed a working one for the cost of the OEM bracelet.

    The second is a Girard Perregaux 9575 KA. The Motorola chip is not hermetically sealed in the gold plated metal case, it's a later model with 73 week code on the chip, it's a 352 calibre. As you say, it's all dry assembly, Teflon bearings.

    Your Tron dial 350 is very rare, I'm glad it's in good hands. I love the semiconductor die dial, a master stroke. A quartz watch with that dial would sell very well at the big semiconductor trade shows.

    I'll post pics when I get them, I've had too many watches turn into vaporware when it comes to shipping and I get a refund from the seller. A disappointment when you want the watch and not the money.

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  • How I made the Seiko lume gif.

    I was OSX preview scrolling through a folder of photos I had taken and noticed there was a very close registration between a daylight and lume shot, which means I likely took them with the camera on a tripod. So that's step one - a fixed camera position. for the shots, which also helps with focusing.

    The second bit is I loaded the two shots into photoshop. The registration of the watch faces wasn't exact so I selected the watch face in the dark shot and pasted it into the lit shot, creating two layers. I reduced the transparency of the pasted dark shot to 40% - so I could see the lit shot through it, and then moved that layer around to line up the lume markers in each shot. I then restored the dark layer to opaque, selected it and chose crop - which cropped the non matching parts of the larger background so what was left matched the dark layers dimensions.

    I then searched the web to find out how to turn the two stacked layers into a gif. Turns out you open the animations window and select a time period to show each layer for. I think I picked 2 seconds for the lit layer and 3 for the lume layer. My first attempt to save as a gif failed because the image was way too large, so I had to shrink the dimensions and chose about 600 pixels in width. That was small enough so I then just chose the 'save for web and devices' option and selected gif as the format; gave it a name and voila.





  • The hand soldered surface mount components are a horror. I was a design engineer on an automated optical inspection machine that inspected solder joints.

    So you'd be in a position of that giving you nightmares. 😁

    Does that ultra quartz use a quartz to pump a mechanical resonater?

    It's "cybernetic" and was advertised as such.

    😁The resonater, which yeah is along the lines of a tuning fork movement(and the bit that usually fails on these) drives the hands and is the slave timekeeper, with the master quartz part nudging it back to true when it deviates. With the Beta 21 movement the quartz directly drives the tuning fork stepping motor via a motorola chip in the "normal" way. The stepping motor part seems to have been an issue for the Swiss. Seiko had the one beat per second type in their first quartz(which was a barely working prototype). Their marketing tagline was "Have you ever seen a second". Then GP came out with the 350 series. Longines were in the partnership to build the Beta 21, but also had this on the go internally. It was meant to be a cheaper way to build a quartz using discrete components(from the hearing aid industry) rather than the very expensive at the time "silicon chips". The more handmade aspect meant it wasn't much cheaper at all and they were very delicate. There were no individual parts for it, the part was the movement. Few survive in working condition today. Even Longines' example has a later ticking quartz movement in it. The sweep is so smooth and the thing buzzes like a marital aid. Really loud.

    I rarely wear it. It's more a museum piece tbh.

    Two items that are in the post to me at the moment ,the first is a second 9943-8000. Yes, I'll have twin twin quartz. I landed a working one for the cost of the OEM bracelet.

    The second is a Girard Perregaux 9575 KA. The Motorola chip is not hermetically sealed in the gold plated metal case, it's a later model with 73 week code on the chip, it's a 352 calibre. As you say, it's all dry assembly, Teflon bearings.

    Nice. The twin twin quartz is a rare one. The early quartz are so much harder to find these days and prices have gone up. Time was you'd have a few pages on ebay with the things.

    Your Tron dial 350 is very rare, I'm glad it's in good hands. I love the semiconductor die dial, a master stroke. A quartz watch with that dial would sell very well at the big semiconductor trade shows.

    Thanks NJ. I was looking for one for over five years and then got very lucky with a French ebay auction with the worst pics ever. 220 quid. At one stage the online buzz was they were only an internal marketing thing. They were in all their adverts, but clearly not many were made. I suspect because they were expensive watches and the buyers with the money to buy them wanted more traditional designs. The dials were made by Singer(later bought by Rolex), the normal GP dials were Beyeler. Of the ones that have shown up with background stories they were owned by people who worked for Motorola. Like you say they would have a fair bit of crossover with the early computing collector market. I also found in a joblot from Switzerland for 50 quid a GP movement Consul(which GP had bought out) with an IBM punchcard dial. So far that's example of one. I strongly suspect it's a prototype as it doesn't show up in any of their brochures of the time and up close looks not quite finished.

    I'll post pics when I get them, I've had too many watches turn into vaporware when it comes to shipping and I get a refund from the seller. A disappointment when you want the watch and not the money.

    Really? That's never happened to me. So far. Touch wood. though things have changed quite a bit since I was more actively buying.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.





  • I'll have a look to see if I can find a description of operation of the ultraquartz. I'm guessing at how it might work, your description of the quartz as as reference nudging it back in suggests there may be a phase locked loop in use. These circuits would be common in FM radios to demodulate the audio that has deviated the radio signal.

    I've had a couple of sellers tell me they've dropped the watch as they were packing it. In one case I said send it anyway, he did not. No reserve auctions, one was a very clean Seiko 7005, cushion case and lovely white linen like dial, auction closed at less than 50 euro. The other was a bellmatic.





  • Hi, first time posting in the watches forum and its probably not worth a thread of its own.

    I have taken my first foray into expensive watches and have a quick question. I just bought a Longines Hydroconqest and need to get a few links taken out to fit my wrist. Just wondering how much something like this will set me back, I'm thinking / hoping not much but having never dealt with jewellers in this way I'm not sure what to expect.



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  • Congrats on the watch and welcome to the world of wondering what watch you should get next 😉

    Sizing the bracelet is a very straightforward job for a jeweller and should really be an as you wait job. If you bought in a Bricks and Mortar I'd expect them to size it for free. If you bought elsewhere, I really wouldn't expect to pay more than €20 and at that it would be a high price IMO.

    Dependent upon where you are? We might be able to offer some advice on where to get it done. It's a job that many of us eventually start doing ourselves but always for me at least, with an air of trepidation about a screwdriver slip.



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