All Ireland Hurling 2019 (Tiers 2-5)

OldMrBrennan83

(I'll edit in dates and times when I'm on a PC)

Joe MacDonagh Cup 2019

Round 1
Offaly v Laois
Antrim v Kerry

Round 2
Laois v Antrim
Westmeath v Offaly

Round 3 (A)
Westmeath v Kerry

Round 3 (B)
Offaly v Antrim

Round 4
Antrim v Westmeath
Kerry v Laois

Round 5
Laois v Westmeath
Kerry v Offaly


Christy Ring Cup 2019

Group 1: Donegal, Wicklow, Down, Derry
Group 2: Roscommon, Kildare, Meath, London

Fixtures

Round 1
Donegal v Wicklow
Down v Derry
Roscommon v Kildare
Meath v London

Round 2
Derry v Donegal
Wicklow v Down
London v Roscommon
Kildare v Meath

Round 3
Donegal v Down
Derry v Wicklow
Roscommon v Meath
London v Kildare


Nicky Rackard Cup 2019

Group 1: Longford, Warwickshire, Armagh, Monaghan
Group 2: Tyrone, Mayo, Louth, Sligo

Fixtures

Round 1
Longford v Warwickshire
Armagh v Monaghan
Tyrone v Mayo
Louth v Sligo

Round 2
Monaghan v Longford
Warwickshire v Armagh
Sligo v Tyrone
Mayo v Louth

Round 3
Longford v Armagh
Monaghan v Warwickshire
Tyrone v Louth
Sligo v Mayo


Lory Meagher Cup 2019

Round 1
Cavan v Fermanagh
Lancashire v Leitrim

Round 2
Leitrim v Cavan
Fermanagh v Lancashire

Round 3
Cavan v Lancashire
Leitrim v Fermanagh

OldMrBrennan83

Good win for Laois. Offaly will be really sick if they don't get out of the McDonagh.

OldMrBrennan83

I like these trips to Donegal. Two awful hard games to come though.

arctictree

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Good win for Laois. Offaly will be really sick if they don't get out of the McDonagh.

Offaly will be really sick if they get relegated to the Ring!

CrabRevolution

Kildare keeping up the pattern of Christy Ring champions who stay in the Christy Ring exiting pretty meekly.

In 2012 Kerry lost their only 2 games.
In 2014 Down lost their only 2 games.
In 2015 Kildare did manage 2 wins, but lost the first round to London, and exited with a 6-27 to 0-9 loss to Kerry in Newbridge.

Carlow are the only team to have put up a decent defence of the CR, successfully defending the title in 2009.

OldMrBrennan83

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Kildare keeping up the pattern of Christy Ring champions who stay in the Christy Ring exiting pretty meekly.

In 2012 Kerry lost their only 2 games.
In 2014 Down lost their only 2 games.
In 2015 Kildare did manage 2 wins, but lost the first round to London, and exited with a 6-27 to 0-9 loss to Kerry in Newbridge.

Carlow are the only team to have put up a decent defence of the CR, successfully defending the title in 2009.

Have they had a bit of turnover in players? From seeing them and Roscommon a few times over the last few years I thought it was fairly surprising that they'd lose to them.

CrabRevolution

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Have they had a bit of turnover in players? From seeing them and Roscommon a few times over the last few years I thought it was fairly surprising that they'd lose to them.

As much as a rumour mill for 3rd tier hurling exists, I've heard that Kildare have had a few players opt out this year and expectations are pretty low for the team.
Just comparing the 2 teams and there's only 6 players that started last years Christy Ring final who played vs. Roscommon at the weekend.

klairondavis

CrabRevolution wrote: »

As much as a rumour mill for 3rd tier hurling exists, I've heard that Kildare have had a few players opt out this year and expectations are pretty low for the team.
Just comparing the 2 teams and there's only 6 players that started last years Christy Ring final who played vs. Roscommon at the weekend.

Celbridge are the current county hurling champions and have been the most consistent club in Kildare hurling over the last decade - six county titles since 2009. They have only one player in with the county team at the moment. Naas are dominating at underage level and they now make up the bulk of the county team but they haven't won a senior title since 2002.

The current minor team is making great strides but I think we will probably lose a few of them to football long term.

Kerrydude1981

grbear

https://twitter.com/lonesharkoy/status/1129745992474144770?s=19

Go hard or go home.


I like checking the scores on Twitter and seeing how each countys account will name check their own scorers but not the opposition.

PTH2009

https://twitter.com/westmeath_gaa/status/1129757978280812544?s=19

Offaly gone too the dogs

Stevecw

grbear wrote: »

https://twitter.com/lonesharkoy/status/1129745992474144770?s=19

Go hard or go home.


I like checking the scores on Twitter and seeing how each countys account will name check their own scorers but not the opposition.

Overdoing the Dublin media thing but overall makes valid points. It's exactly why I really hope the tier 2 in football never comes in. The teams in McDonagh are 11-15 in the country and are totally ignored by everyone.

Another sad day so far for Offaly hurling they are getting hammered at half time by Westmeath
1-13 to 0-5.

grbear

Stevecw wrote: »

Overdoing the Dublin media thing but overall makes valid points. It's exactly why I really hope the tier 2 in football never comes in. The teams in McDonagh are 11-15 in the country and are totally ignored by everyone.

Another sad day so far for Offaly hurling they are getting hammered at half time by Westmeath
1-13 to 0-5.

Don't want to derail the thread but if the GAA can't promote stuff like the Joe McDonagh properly then they can't credibly claim they'll do better with a football "b" tier.


Hard to see Laois not making the final with the way today is going. They'll have too much for Kerry anyway. Westmeath look well capable of beating Offaly, Kerry and Antrim as well.

An Ciarraioch

Amazing to think Offaly against Kerry will effectively be a play-off to avoid the Christy Ring!

OldMrBrennan83

Jesus Offaly really must be gone too the dogs.

Wicklow were completely woeful against Down, scoreline was very flattering.

tipp_tipp_tipp

Yeah looking like a Laois Westmeath final now, pity I won't get to see it thanks to the non-existent coverage. Sad to see how bad things are in Offaly.

nice_guy80

Offaly don't deserve to be any where near the top table

Likes of duignan etc living on past glories and amount of hurling in the county has been going backwards for 15+ years
That being said, Westmeath aren't exactly doing huge things at underage either.

PTH2009

Joe McDonagh Cup round 2
At O'Moore Park
Laois 2-24
Antrim 1-19

Joe McDonagh Cup round 2
At TEG Cusack Park
Westmeath 3-18
Offaly 0-14

Christy Ring Cup round 2
At Ruislip
Roscommon 1-25
London 2-12

Christy Ring Cup round 2
At Owenbeg
Derry 0-20
Donegal 1-14

Christy Ring Cup round 2
At Aughrim
Down 2-25
Wicklow 2-19

Christy Ring Cup round 2
At Newbridge
Meath 2-26
Kildare 1-13

Nicky Rackard Cup round 2
At Pairc na hEireann
Warwickshire 2-18
Armagh 1-21

Nicky Rackard Cup round 2
At Scarden
Sligo 3-18
Tyrone 0-14

Nicky Rackard Cup round 2
At Inniskeen
Longford 2-16
Monaghan 1-17

Nicky Rackard Cup round 2
At MacHale Park
Mayo 3-23
Louth 1-13

Lory Meagher Cup round 1
At Old Bedians, Manchester
Lancashire 0-20
Leitrim 1-15

Lory Meagher Cup round 1
At Kingspan Breffni
Fermanagh 0-19
Cavan 1-11

An Ciarraioch

Credit to the indomitable @GAALeagueTables:

http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129777062720540672

http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129773712570503168


http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129774249613385728

http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129801502627786754

PTH2009

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Credit to the indomitable @GAALeagueTables:

http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129777062720540672

http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129773712570503168


http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129774249613385728

http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129801502627786754

Group 2 in the Christy ring basically decided and its 1st/2nd playoff the next day out between Meath and Roscommon

Mantis Toboggan

Sad to see where offaly are but you reap what you sow and offaly haven't sown anything for years. They're deluded if they think they're going to be back at the top table anytime soon, the christy ring is alot more likely.

tipp_tipp_tipp

Have Kerry a realistic chance of beating Offaly?

PTH2009

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Have Kerry a realistic chance of beating Offaly?

They have a decent chance tbh

Mantis Toboggan

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Have Kerry a realistic chance of beating Offaly?

Where is the game on?

An Ciarraioch

Austin Stack Park, it seems, so home advantage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Joe_McDonagh_Cup

Nic_Col

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Where is the game on?

Tralee. Kerry beat them in Birr in the league two or three years ago as well.

feargale

As a matter of interest does anybody know when Westmeath last beat Offaly in the senior hurling championship? I'm thinking mid 1950s, though something at the back of my mind tells me there may have been a shock result in the late 60s or the 70s.

CrabRevolution

feargale wrote: »

As a matter of interest does anybody know when Westmeath last beat Offaly in the senior hurling championship? I'm thinking mid 1950s, though something at the back of my mind tells me there may have been a shock result in the late 60s or the 70s.

2016, they tanked Offaly in the Leinster Qualifying group.

RMAOK

feargale wrote: »

As a matter of interest does anybody know when Westmeath last beat Offaly in the senior hurling championship? I'm thinking mid 1950s, though something at the back of my mind tells me there may have been a shock result in the late 60s or the 70s.

It was three years ago, apparently. Westmeath won by 14 points

OldMrBrennan83

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

http://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1129773712570503168

Down should be second in theirs going by the criteria underneath I'd have thought.

Kerrydude1981

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Have Kerry a realistic chance of beating Offaly?

As much as id love to see it I just cant see us beating Offaly, I had hoped that we would push on this year but at moment it seems to me that we are on a downward slope again,

Management making excuses before the Antrim game about the dual players on the panel having to play football club championship in April and how hard it was to get the team together, same thing happened last year and there wasnt a word said about it, some players have left the panel for various reasons

Just seems to be bad vibes coming out of the Kerry camp at the minute

Brussels Sprout

PTH2009 wrote: »

Group 2 in the Christy ring basically decided and its 1st/2nd playoff the next day out between Meath and Roscommon

Mad considering 3rd and 4th in that group were the finalists from last year.

OldMrBrennan83

Nice one if true.


https://twitter.com/GAALeagueTables/status/1130388529543110656

OldMrBrennan83

I see the last Derry home game in the Christy Ring has changed from Celtic Park to Owenbeg on gaa.ie. Is that this one?

https://goo.gl/maps/miLbwXfczrr4gXwc6

Nic_Col

feargale wrote: »

As a matter of interest does anybody know when Westmeath last beat Offaly in the senior hurling championship? I'm thinking mid 1950s, though something at the back of my mind tells me there may have been a shock result in the late 60s or the 70s.

Westmeath and Offaly have met 24 times in the championship, it might come as a surprise to some that they are historically speaking closer matched than many might think.

Westmeath's victory at the weekend was the 10th time they have beaten Offaly in the championship, no draws between them so Offaly won the remaining 14 encounters.

Similar story in the league, 23 meetings; Offaly with 14 wins to Westmeath's 9.

Obviously didn't know those numbers off the top of my head. There's a website called hurlingfacts.com where you can view the head to head records of all teams.

OldMrBrennan83

Kevin Martin gone in Offaly and Joachim Kelly managing them for the rest of the championship.

grbear

Kerry putting it up to Westmeath at the moment. Could really open things up for the rest of the group stage.

Kerrydude1981

For the life of me I didnt see that win coming today

Mighty win

tipp_tipp_tipp

Just watching Buff Egan's snaps on it there. Very good quality, some great scores. Great win for Kerry, fair play to them.

PTH2009

So if Kerry and up winning the Joe Mcdonagh they wont get automatically promoted too the Liam McCarthy for 2020 they would play the 5th placed Munster team for that place and there would be no team relegated from Leinster

Mantis Toboggan

Huge win that for Kerry, blows open the Joe McDonagh, Laois have a great shot now.

OldMrBrennan83

PTH2009 wrote: »

So if Kerry and up winning the Joe Mcdonagh they wont get automatically promoted too the Liam McCarthy for 2020 they would play the 5th placed Munster team for that place and there would be no team relegated from Leinster

Yep. It's a load of bollocks and watching backs.

Mantis Toboggan

Shane Conway is a serious operator, rock solid on the frees also.

LuckyGent88

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Shane Conway is a serious operator, rock solid on the frees also.

Just came on to say that myself. Class player. Would get on any team in Ireland. Superb skills

Kerrydude1981

Was watching back last nights Sunday Game this morning

They show highlights of Laois and Westmeath in the football but not one bit of coverage of the two counties then when it comes to hurling

nice_guy80

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Was watching back last nights Sunday Game this morning

They show highlights of Laois and Westmeath in the football but not one bit of coverage of the two counties then when it comes to hurling

yeah, but wait until you see the highlights for Tier 2 and 3 in the football when it is changed!

RMAOK

nice_guy80 wrote: »

yeah, but wait until you see the highlights for Tier 2 and 3 in the football when it is changed!

I think you'd be lucky to see any highlights at all tbh.

Kerrydude1981

RMAOK wrote: »

I think you'd be lucky to see any highlights at all tbh.

There will be highlights, be up roar if there isnt

Kerrydude1981

Offaly and Antrim is going to be streamed live next Saturday on GAA Now

At least its a start at getting these games out there

feargale

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Was watching back last nights Sunday Game this morning

They show highlights of Laois and Westmeath in the football but not one bit of coverage of the two counties then when it comes to hurling

TG4 gave highlights of Kerry v. Westmeath in Joe McDonagh.

conor05

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Shane Conway is a serious operator, rock solid on the frees also.

Just came on to say that myself. Class player. Would get on any team in Ireland. Superb skills

Saw him playing in the Fitzgibbon cup for UCC this year. Definitely one of the most skillful stickmen I have ever came across.

Some very classy hurlers come from that hotbed of hurling in North Kerry.