Average Wage of Provincial Players

siltirocker

Quin_Dub wrote: »

If the number of contracts available stay the same , would Aki be in the Top 3 they'd be looking to lock in?

He'll be almost 30 and there are multiple players a lot younger that might make more sense - Ryan , Ringrose , JDV and Leavy (hoping he recovers) would at least be up for discussion I'd say.

Very true.

Quin_Dub

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I heard Carbery's on a lot more at Munster than he was at Leinster.

That would make sense , the contract in Leinster was his 1st on leaving the academy so wouldn't have been big money comparatively speaking.

When he joined Munster he was an established National squad member etc.

siltirocker

sydthebeat wrote: »

the perks of being successful and for providing players to other provinces

Very true. We can't forget Leinster players that played in European Cup finals that brought on this great era like Mike Ross, Eoin Reddan, John Fogarty, Sean Cronin, Isaac Boss, etc. From when Leinster went even deeper into providing players by having them born, raised and developed outside of Leinster. Genius.

Shefwedfan

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I heard Carbery's on a lot more at Munster than he was at Leinster.

I would hope so....


His contract for Leinster was signed when he wasn't a guaranteed starter, he is now the starting 10 at one of the top clubs in Europe and just behind the World player of the year in terms of starting for his internatioal team....


Argument to have him moved to central contract at next renewal

Shefwedfan

siltirocker wrote: »

Very true. We can't forget Leinster players that played in European Cup finals that brought on this great era like Mike Ross, Eoin Reddan, John Fogarty, Sean Cronin, Isaac Boss, etc. From when Leinster went even deeper into providing players by having them born, raised and developed outside of Leinster. Genius.

Look at the Ulster team that lined up against Leinster in Qtr's, more academy players on that single team than you managed to pull out over 10 years of Leinster teams


Not sure why Isaac Boss is included? he was a kiwi

siltirocker

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Arguement to have him moved to central contract at next renewal

It's not really a done thing, as it is essentially just a waste of money. He is under contract until 2022. When it is expiring give him a new one.

It's not like he is going to sign for someone else mid-contract. The transfer fee would be too high and his Irish career would be in trouble.

It also sets a dangerous precedent.

Shefwedfan

siltirocker wrote: »

It's not really a done thing, as it is essentially just a waste of money. He is under contract until 2022. When it is expiring give him a new one.

It's not like he is going to sign for someone else mid-contract. The transfer fee would be too high and his Irish career would be in trouble.

It also sets a dangerous precedent.

Hence why I said at his next renewal.



I am sure his plan is to be the Irish starting 10 in 2022. Also Sexton said he would retire that year after the Lions tour so he would expect to be moved to central contract if all goes well

siltirocker

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Look at the Ulster team that lined up against Leinster in Qtr's, more academy players on that single team than you managed to pull out over 10 years of Leinster teams


Not sure why Isaac Boss is included? he was a kiwi

I was simply highlighting that at one point or another all the provinces have benefited from players from other provinces. I actually just picked players who played the first 3 European Cup finals with Leinster, (not all players not from Leinster to have played for them) to demonstrate that it is not exclusively Leinster to everyone.

By using this I was highlighting that at the height of Leinster's glory they had numerous players from other provinces on their books playing in finals. Whilst Ulster and Munster's greatest wins had no players from Leinster involved. (Unless you want to count Ian Dowling at Munster).

Zzippy

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not sure why people are discussing player wages. Not really something I have much interest in.

For someone with little interest in the topic, you sure have a lot to say on it... :rolleyes:

Shefwedfan

siltirocker wrote: »

I was simply highlighting that at one point or another all the provinces have benefited from players from other provinces. I actually just picked players who played the first 3 European Cup finals with Leinster, (not all players not from Leinster to have played for them) to demonstrate that it is not exclusively Leinster to everyone.

By using this I was highlighting that at the height of Leinster's glory they had numerous players from other provinces on their books playing in finals. Whilst Ulster and Munster's greatest wins had no players from Leinster involved. (Unless you want to count Ian Dowling at Munster).

The only player I would consider is Henshaw as Connacht wanted to keep. Maybe Cronin, I can't remember that far back now if Connacht had a big issue losing him?



Redden and Boss left Munster and went to England, they would be still playing in England unless Leinster brought them home. Munster had no interest in them......



Not really a comparison with Ulster taking a player who was on last Lions tour. Or Munster taking one of the potentially most talented players Leinster have developed. You can also count in Nordi/Conway/etc who Leinster would have been more than happy to keep



Way off topic now anyway.....

Shefwedfan

Zzippy wrote: »

For someone with little interest in the topic, you sure have a lot to say on it... :rolleyes:

I will refer to post 23 :rolleyes:

tabby aspreme

patoh1 wrote: »

I assumed with all the costs (buses, flights, hotels, 20+ staff etc) coupled with the redevelopment of the sports ground, that generally the higher earners (tiernan o h, ultan d) would be around €80k. Not including bundee obviously.

They are probably on twice that, how much do you think the UK clubs would pay O Halloran and Dillane, the Irish Provence's have to be relatively competitive with money or players will travel abroad,

arsebiscuits1

tabby aspreme wrote: »

They are probably on twice that, how much do you think the UK clubs would pay O Halloran and Dillane, the Irish Provence's have to be relatively competitive with money or players will travel abroad,

Ah yeah TOH and Ultan I could see being on around what you've stated.

But they'd also be the top earners in the squad behind Bundee (alongside possibly Buckley)

siltirocker

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The only player I would consider is Henshaw as Connacht wanted to keep. Maybe Cronin, I can't remember that far back now if Connacht had a big issue losing him?



Redden and Boss left Munster and went to England, they would be still playing in England unless Leinster brought them home. Munster had no interest in them......



Not really a comparison with Ulster taking a player who was on last Lions tour. Or Munster taking one of the potentially most talented players Leinster have developed. You can also count in Nordi/Conway/etc who Leinster would have been more than happy to keep



Way off topic now anyway.....

Cronin and McCarthy were on the Irish squad when they left for Leinster.

The point I was trying to make was more along the lines that players line out for other provinces, for a number of reasons. Since the professional game started this is not a Leinster exclusive thing. In fact far and away more Munster players played for the other provinces, Leinster included, up until this decade. And I can't recall the passive remarks from Munster fans about this at the time, that seem to be coming in Leinster's direction.

Leinster have not lost, and correct me if I am wrong any first or 2nd choice players. (Keeping in mind how the pecking orders looked when Carbery, Murphy, and McGrath left).

arsebiscuits1

siltirocker wrote: »

Cronin and McCarthy were on the Irish squad when they left for Leinster.

The point I was trying to make was more along the lines that players line out for other provinces, for a number of reasons. Since the professional game started this is not a Leinster exclusive thing. In fact far and away more Munster players played for the other provinces, Leinster included, up until this decade. And I can't recall the passive remarks from Munster fans about this at the time, that seem to be coming in Leinster's direction.

Leinster have not lost, and correct me if I am wrong any first or 2nd choice players. (Keeping in mind how the pecking orders looked when Carbery, Murphy, and McGrath left).

Well then you should probably be less selective of who you listen to so :rolleyes:

As with every rugby topic, Munster players playing in other provinces was met with many snide comments from Munster fans as Leinster players playing in other provinces was met by Leinster fans.

No point putting one fan base on a pedestal above others. Every fan base does it

patoh1

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Ah yeah TOH and Ultan I could see being on around what you've stated.

But they'd also be the top earners in the squad behind Bundee (alongside possibly Buckley)

Who’s going to pay TOH 6 figures?

I’m very surprised to hear that. I thought that’s why players were entitled to half their tax back? As an incentive to keep them in Ireland.

If they’re earning that sort of money I’m not sure why they’d be entitled to that.

sydthebeat

siltirocker wrote: »

Very true. We can't forget Leinster players that played in European Cup finals that brought on this great era like Mike Ross, Eoin Reddan, John Fogarty, Sean Cronin, Isaac Boss, etc. From when Leinster went even deeper into providing players by having them born, raised and developed outside of Leinster. Genius.

I see your four legacy players and raise you the following current players:

Tadgh Beirne
Joey Carbery
Andrew conway
Nick Mccarty
Jeremy Loughman
Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Jack McGrath
John Cooney
Alan O Connor
Greg Jones
Clive Ross
Dave Shanahan
Jack Regan
Eric O Sullivan
Nick Timoney
Tom Farrell
Gavin Thornbury
Quin Roux
Tom Daly


theres probably more, im just trying to recall obvious ones.

i wont go into the likes of the legacy players like felix jones, niall ronan etc

siltirocker

sydthebeat wrote: »

I see your four legacy players and raise you the following current players:

Tadgh Beirne
Joey Carbery
Andrew conway
Nick Mccarty
Jeremy Loughman
Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Jack McGrath
John Cooney
Alan O Connor
Greg Jones
Clive Ross
Dave Shanahan
Jack Regan
Eric O Sullivan
Nick Timoney
Tom Farrell
Gavin Thornbury
Quin Roux
Tom Daly


theres probably more, im just trying to recall obvious ones.

i wont go into the likes of the legacy players like felix jones, niall ronan etc

The point I have been making, and have stressed, is that it is not a Leinster exclusive thing that many make it out to be.

(Also Quinn Roux was not Leinster Academy, he played senior Super Rugby before joining Leinster).

sydthebeat

siltirocker wrote: »

The point I have been making, and have stressed, is that it is not a Leinster exclusive thing that many make it out to be.

(Also Quinn Roux was not Leinster Academy, he played senior Super Rugby before joining Leinster).

no one ever claimed it was Leinster exclusive... so your arguing with no one on that.

And again, i havent mentioned leinster academy. not sure why you are.
Roux can definitely be considered as a leinster developed player who is now playing for a different province... which was the main point of course.

jacothelad

sydthebeat wrote: »

I see your four legacy players and raise you the following current players:

Tadgh Beirne
Joey Carbery
Andrew conway
Nick Mccarty
Jeremy Loughman
Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Jack McGrath
John Cooney
Alan O Connor
Greg Jones
Clive Ross
Dave Shanahan
Jack Regan
Eric O Sullivan
Nick Timoney
Tom Farrell
Gavin Thornbury
Quin Roux
Tom Daly


theres probably more, im just trying to recall obvious ones.

i wont go into the likes of the legacy players like felix jones, niall ronan etc

Quite a few on the list were not developed in the Leinster Academy afaik. Guys like Timoney, O'Connor, Shanahan, Jones, EOS. They have made a difference to Ulster but were Leinster discards who would almost certainly never have been given a chance in Blue.. It's not the same as great players like Jordi and McGrath leaving when they could have stayed at Leinster. All the other Ulster players on the list were a peripheral part of the full Leinster Academy if at all.

Erik Shun

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Hence why I said at his next renewal.



I am sure his plan is to be the Irish starting 10 in 2022. Also Sexton said he would retire that year after the Lions tour so he would expect to be moved to central contract if all goes well

I doubt a lion's tour will include a 37yo Sexton

ClanofLams

sydthebeat wrote: »

the perks of being successful and for providing players to other provinces

Leinster don’t provide players to other provinces. Of course players who have developed at Leinster end up at other provinces as they can’t get a place at Leinster or feel their career is best served at another province but it’s not the goal of Leinster.

It has also no relation to Leinster having more National contracts than others which is obviously just related to Leinster having the highest number of key international players.

sydthebeat

ClanofLams wrote: »

Leinster don’t provide players to other provinces.

Well that's simply wrong, no matter how you're trying to twist it.

A leinster developed player playing with another province, is by definition, provided by leinster. There's a national policy about this kind of thing for gods sake.

No one is saying its wrong so no need to be so precious about it. But call it what it is.

ClanofLams

sydthebeat wrote: »

Well that's simply wrong, no matter how you're trying to twist it.

A leinster developed player playing with another province, is by definition, provided by leinster. There's a national policy about this kind of thing for gods sake.

No one is saying its wrong so no need to be so precious about it. But call it what it is.

I am not being precious about anything. Obviously Leinster developed players are common in other provinces, particularly in the one I support, Connacht. It is a result of both the strength of Rugby in Leinster (including excellent structures in schools, Leinster academy etc) and population.

It’s simply inaccurate to say Leinster provide players for other provinces however just as it would be to say Connacht provided Robbie Henshaw or Cronin or Mike McCarthy for Leinster.

All provinces seek to develop players for their own benefit not with the goal of assisting other provinces.

sydthebeat

I have absolutely no problem saying Connacht provided Henshaw to leinster. I've made the point already that it's not a leinster exclusive situation, as someone else was trying to infer.

But it's an undeniable fact that leinster produce a surplus of players which are then provided in the first instance to other provinces where required. They do this much more than other provinces.

arsebiscuits1

patoh1 wrote: »

Who’s going to pay TOH 6 figures?

I’m very surprised to hear that. I thought that’s why players were entitled to half their tax back? As an incentive to keep them in Ireland.

If they’re earning that sort of money I’m not sure why they’d be entitled to that.

160 appearances over 9-10 seasons and a handful of international caps would have him on a tidy sum.

It's not necessarily a question of "is he worth that to other clubs?"

He was born, raised and educated in Connacht. From a brand point of view, that is quite valuable I would wager. He would be a real asset to Connacht and their grassroots/ community engagement themes.

ClanofLams

sydthebeat wrote: »

I have absolutely no problem saying Connacht provided Henshaw to leinster. I've made the point already that it's not a leinster exclusive situation, as someone else was trying to infer.

But it's an undeniable fact that leinster produce a surplus of players which are then provided in the first instance to other provinces where required. They do this much more than other provinces.

Leinster developed players in other provinces significantly outweigh players developed by other provinces in Leinster. That’s an undeniable fact.

It’s not accurate to use provide. For starters it’s not Leinsters decision where the players go.

ClanofLams

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

160 appearances over 9-10 seasons and a handful of international caps would have him on a tidy sum.

It's not necessarily a question of "is he worth that to other clubs?"

He was born, raised and educated in Connacht. From a brand point of view, that is quite valuable I would wager. He would be a real asset to Connacht and their grassroots/ community engagement themes.

O’Halloran was wanted by both Munster and teams abroad. He wouldn’t have had any difficulty earning at least as much and more likely more than he is on at Connacht.

But agree with you he is a real asset for the ‘grassroots to green shirts’ campaign etc

Sinbad_NI

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Redden and Boss left Munster and went to England, they would be still playing in England unless Leinster brought them home. Munster had no interest in them......

Correct me if I'm wrong but did Ulster not bring Boss to Ireland from NZ, then he moved to Leinster after about 4 seasons.

sydthebeat

ClanofLams wrote: »

It’s not accurate to use provide. For starters it’s not Leinsters decision where the players go.

I never claimed it was ??

and its very accurate to use "provide".... who else provides them?