Border Fox jailed

realdanbreen

Dessie O'Hare aka the Border Fox has been jailed for 7 years.
Now there's a guy with a backstory!

somesoldiers

Thought he was long dead, obviously I was too busy to pay much attention in the 80's what with progging apples and playing conkers

Grayson

I got a news alert saying he's been imprisoned for assault and false imprisonment. Thought that was a 30 year delay when I saw it.

ohnonotgmail

Did they revoke his licence as well?

Rows Grower

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Did they revoke his licence as well?

What licence?

He never got a life sentence.

tabby aspreme

Mansfield jnr, better have a big wad ready for him when he gets out.

Mr. Incognito

Hey Diddle Diddle,
The cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon.
The little dog laughed,
To see such sport,
And the fox got knifed with the spoon

realdanbreen

Rows Grower wrote: »

What licence?

He never got a life sentence.

No he didn't but he did get 40 years and was only let out because of the good Friday agreement so I'd imagine there were some conditions attached to his release.

Rows Grower

realdanbreen wrote: »

No he didn't but he did get 40 years and was only let out because of the good Friday agreement so I'd imagine there were some conditions attached to his release.

The Good Friday agreement was in 1998.

He was in prison doing that 40 year sentence until 2006.

ohnonotgmail

Rows Grower wrote: »

What licence?

He never got a life sentence.

Licences are not just for life sentences. He was released on licence as part of the good friday agreement. He is subject to recall of that licence if he commits further criminality.

JohnnyFlash

The INLA really attracted utter scumbags to its ranks.

realdanbreen

Rows Grower wrote: »

The Good Friday agreement was in 1998.

He was in prison doing that 40 year sentence until 2006.

In 2006 he was given extended 'temporary ' release, otherwise he was due to stay in jail until at least 2014. Either way a nasty piece of work who despite his 5" nothing height has wreaked some havoc during his life.

facehugger99

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The INLA really attracted utter scumbags to its ranks.

As opposed to the IRA, UVF, etc who were all as sound as a pound.

CrankyHaus

I wonder how this self-described "socialist" and "marxist" squares his beliefs with working as a hired thug enforcing evictions for the very rich?

Force Carrier

facehugger99 wrote: »

As opposed to the IRA, UVF, etc who were all as sound as a pound.

The PIRA tried to vet recruits to prevent rats or indisciplined incompetent types.
Those who wanted to get in to the ra and failed would then join the INLA who would take anyone. So inla were in the general even more crazy and eratic than the ira.

Rows Grower

[QUOTE=realdanbreen;109905477]In 2006 he was given extended 'temporary ' release, otherwise he was due to stay in jail until at least 2014. Either way a nasty piece of work who despite his 5" nothing height has wreaked some havoc during his life.[/QUOTE]

So therefore there is no licence to be revoked.

He was convicted and sentenced and served his time. He can't be be punished again for previous crimes although they can be taken into account before sentencing for the latest crime.

Rows Grower

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The INLA really attracted utter scumbags to its ranks.

They sure did, imagine how nasty he was when they barred him.

ohnonotgmail

Rows Grower wrote: »

So therefore there is no licence to be revoked.

He was convicted and sentenced and served his time. He can't be be punished again for previous crimes although they can be taken into account before sentencing for the latest crime.

He served 16 years of his original 40 before he was released under the GFA. As part of that agreement he can be returned to prison to finish that sentence if he reoffends.

If any paramilitary prisoner reoffends, a judge can sentence them to the rest of their original sentence, the 1998 peace agreement states.
That means that O’Hare would have to serve 22 more years of the original 40-year sentence, on top of what he receives for the latest offence.

https://extra.ie/2019/01/16/news/irish-news/dessie-ohare-assault-guilty-plea

realdanbreen

Rows Grower wrote: »

So therefore there is no licence to be revoked.

He was convicted and sentenced and served his time. He can't be be punished again for previous crimes although they can be taken into account before sentencing for the latest crime.

He was given 40 years in 1987 which meant the earliest he got out was 2014-if it was 1/4 remission then he was not due out until 2017-so he didn't serve his time.

realdanbreen

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The INLA really attracted utter scumbags to its ranks.

Dominic McGlinchey wasn't a bad old skin though!

ToBeFrank123

Appalling assault.

But why the f*ck does Jim Mansfield Jnr. get off scot free in this? He employed these guys to intimidate people and do his dirty work and unquestionably had a very good idea what was going to happen. You don't employ former INLA members for their powers of peaceful persuasion.

The court had heard O’Hare told gardai he was employed by businessman Jim Mansfield Junior to evict the family. Mr Byrne worked for the late Jim Mansfield Snr who owned the Citywest Hotel and other businesses.
The court heard Mr Mansfield Jr went with Mr Byrne to a meeting with two former INLA members - O'Hare and convicted murderer Declan 'Whacker' Duffy - and that when Mr Mansfield left the room, five more men came in and blocked Mr Byrne.
Mr Byrne was forced into a car, assaulted and brought to his home. He pleaded with O'Hare to be given a few days to leave The Towers voluntarily, but O'Hare refused and told him he was to “get out right now.”

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dessie-ohare-jailed-for-seven-years-for-assault-and-false-imprisonment-38004967.html

kildare lad

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Appalling assault.

But why the f*ck does Jim Mansfield Jnr. get off scot free in this? He employed these guys to intimidate people and do his dirty work and unquestionably had a very good idea what was going to happen. You don't employ former INLA members for their powers of peaceful persuasionl]

It was well known that his auld lad had dealings with lots of dodgy people, so maybe his son carried on the tradition

Erik Shun

Can't we all just be grateful the cnut is back in jail where he belongs

ohnonotgmail

Erik Shun wrote: »

Can't we all just be grateful the cnut is back in jail where he belongs

Indeed. Best place for him.

a good Republican

Grayson

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I wonder how this self-described "socialist" and "marxist" squares his beliefs with working as a hired thug enforcing evictions for the very rich?

To be fair, if you're looking for a reason to dislike him, that's at the very bottom of the list. The guy's an utter scumbag.

Birneybau

Erik Shun wrote: »

Can't we all just be grateful the cnut is back in jail where he belongs

I read a quote from someone that dealt with him previously saying Dessie O'Hare was a psychopath and that, luckily for him, had the Troubles as an excuse to mete out his violent tendencies.

SEPT 23 1989

one of the greatest crime empires in the country and the journalists did nothing

CrankyHaus

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair, if you're looking for a reason to dislike him, that's at the very bottom of the list.

I disagree. Consistency with one's own beliefs are important in judging someone when those beliefs are so far outside the pale. I can look at some republican and loyalist paramilitaries who later pursued peace and say that they were murderers but understand why they felt they had to take up arms, even if I strongly disagree with their choice. Some of them can say that they stayed true to their own beliefs. Dessie O'Hare can't and it makes him a far worse person.

ohnonotgmail

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I disagree. Consistency with one's own beliefs are important in judging someone when those beliefs are so far outside the pale. I can look at some republican and loyalist paramilitaries who later pursued peace and say that they were murderers but understand why they felt they had to take up arms, even if I strongly disagree with their choice. Some of them can say that they stayed true to their own beliefs. Dessie O'Hare can't and it makes him a far worse person.

Personally i think the cutting off of peoples fingers makes him a worse person but each to their own.

Birneybau

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Personally i think the cutting off of peoples fingers makes him a worse person but each to their own.

And an ear

ohnonotgmail

Birneybau wrote: »

And an ear

I think i would rather have an ear cut off than a finger.

Church on Tuesday

He's no Slab Murphy!

JohnnyFlash

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

He's no Slab Murphy!

Have a read of what happened to a guy called Paul Quinn when he crossed the Provos of South Armagh. Every bone in his body below his neck was broken, and they then drove a spike through his skull. More vile psychopaths.

Church on Tuesday

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Have a read of what happened to a guy called Paul Quinn when he crossed the Provos of South Armagh. Every bone in his body below his neck was broken, and they then drove a spike through his skull. More vile psychopaths.

Heard that alright, charming lads.

Edgware

realdanbreen wrote: »

Dominic McGlinchey wasn't a bad old skin though!

The "finest republican of all" as Bernadette McAliskey called him

Rows Grower

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think i would rather have an ear cut off than a finger.

That's easy for you to say, you don't need glasses.

yrreg0850

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I wonder how this self-described "socialist" and "marxist" squares his beliefs with working as a hired thug enforcing evictions for the very rich?

Definition of a socialist---Someone who has nothing but , is willing to share what you have.

Rows Grower

Rows Grower wrote: »

That's easy for you to say, you don't need glasses.

I shouldnt have... but I laughed....

Charles Ingles

Mansfield will be hoping he goes to jail, I wouldn't say he sleeps too easily a bullet with his name on it
Wacker and dessie in jail from working for him and walks away Scot free

SEPT 23 1989

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Mansfield will be hoping he goes to jail, I wouldn't say he sleeps too easily a bullet with his name on it
Wacker and dessie in jail from working for him and walks away Scot free

Strange isn't it

Charles Ingles

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Strange isn't it

Mansfield's are the real cartel In this country, they are untouchable

Rows Grower

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Strange isn't it

I wonder, now that he has been named in court maybe he is opened to prosecution?

Or if there is a future criminal case against him the evidence from this trial might be relevant.

What I thought was strange was that Dessie O Hare named him, probably didn't do Dessie any harm when it came to the Judge deciding how long he was going to be imprisoned for.

Either way I'd say Mr. Mansfield Jr. is up **** creek without a paddle.

Rows Grower

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Mansfield's are the real cartel In this country, they are untouchable

Nobody is above the law Charles.

Charles Ingles

Rows Grower wrote: »

Nobody is above the law Charles.

Mansfield seem to be, they have been flooding the country with drugs through Thier private airport for years

dxhound2005

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Mansfield seem to be, they have been flooding the country with drugs through Thier private airport for years

Be careful what you say about that man.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/jim-mansfield-jnr-threatens-legal-action-against-rt%C3%A9-1.3856058

SEPT 23 1989

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Mansfield's are the real cartel In this country, they are untouchable

You have to ask yourself why

What have they over the upper echelons of this state to make them immune from prosecution?

Rows Grower

Moving swiftly on......

I suppose with good behaviour in prison which the Border Fox is known for, he should be out in about 5 years.

5 years is nothing to him, he once took a voluntary vow of silence in prison and didn't talk to anyone for six years.

Atoms for Peace

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Mansfield jnr, better have a big wad ready for him when he gets out.

Mansfield hired a known psyhscotic killer to menace somebody, why isn't he facing any consequences?

mynamejeff

Rows Grower wrote: »

Either way I'd say Mr. Mansfield Jr. is up **** creek without a paddle.

Good, the mans a scumbag as was his father and as are his nephews

dd973

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The INLA really attracted utter scumbags to its ranks.

And inept with it, if they were half as good as shooting Loyalist paramilitaries as they were at shooting each other the war would have been over in 1982.